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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 20, 2016 22:16:51 GMT -8
Good grief shooting 50% from the line is pathetic. You would never see this bad of free throw shooting back in the day. Kids are worried about highlight reel plays and shooting the three pointer. One other tidbit...the Beavers let one person on the other team take over the game.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 20, 2016 22:21:19 GMT -8
Good grief shooting 50% from the line is pathetic. You would never see this bad of free throw shooting back in the day. Kids are worried about highlight reel plays and shooting the three pointer. One other tidbit...the Beavers let one person on the other team take over the game. Robinson holdovers - run up and down the court shooting 3s. Who's gone this year? Saftenaar, Reid, Duvivier, Payton, Gomis, N'daiye, Langston-Morris ... 2018 will be the year. Clear old the old Robinson crew and give this group plus the new recruits one year to gel. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 20, 2016 22:23:00 GMT -8
Good grief shooting 50% from the line is pathetic. You would never see this bad of free throw shooting back in the day. Kids are worried about highlight reel plays and shooting the three pointer. One other tidbit...the Beavers let one person on the other team take over the game. Robinson holdovers - run up and down the court shooting 3s. Who's gone this year? Saftenaar, Reid, Duvivier, Payton, Gomis, N'daiye, Langston-Morris ... 2018 will be the year. Clear old the old Robinson crew and give this group plus the new recruits one year to gel. Why isn't the Coach responsible? |
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 20, 2016 22:23:41 GMT -8
Duvivier is a Junior and Ndaiye is also a Junior
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 20, 2016 22:29:38 GMT -8
Bad habits are hard to break. Bad free throw shooting form is hard to correct. If it was easy Chris Dudley wouldn't have been such a poor free throw shooter. It goes on from there because he wasn't the only one unable to hit the free throw on a percentage basis. Sometimes when coaches try to correct poor mechanics the player reverts back to the bad habits under pressure. Either way, its just plain hard to correct bad free throw mechanics.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 20, 2016 22:35:01 GMT -8
Robinson holdovers - run up and down the court shooting 3s. Who's gone this year? Saftenaar, Reid, Duvivier, Payton, Gomis, N'daiye, Langston-Morris ... 2018 will be the year. Clear old the old Robinson crew and give this group plus the new recruits one year to gel. Why isn't the Coach responsible? To some extent he is. He started Gomis against Utah instead of Ewbanks. Tonight, Langston-Morris sat in favor of Tinkle. Should he have done these things earlier? Probably. But against Utah, Gomis had three fouls in six minutes. Tonight four fouls. That's not coaching, that's doing the job. At this point, I'd start Tinkle-Ewbanks-Thompson-Bruce-Payton. See if the others get the point. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 20, 2016 22:37:43 GMT -8
Duvivier is a Junior and Ndaiye is also a Junior Didn't know that. Duvivier needs to get the point or sit the bench. N'daiye? I don't know. He's never seemed worth the schollie. |
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Post by nabeav on Jan 21, 2016 8:44:37 GMT -8
Who exactly needs to "get the point?" LMW and Stephen Thompson have essentially the same stats - Thompson scores a little more, but LMW gives you more in terms of rebounding and assists, and turns the ball over less. We all love Bruce, but the fact is he's shooting .136 on non-3 pointers this season. Nobody at this level is that bad shooting, so that speaks more to poor shot selection. Yes, more playing time will help him figure that out, but if we allow him to learn on the job, are we sacrificing wins now for wins two years from now? Think Kobe his rookie season jacking up airballs in the playoffs. Sure, it worked out in the end, but they also didn't lose their best player (Shaq is GP2 in this analogy) the next season. I think it's a little unfair to the upper classmen to sacrifice wins today for wins tomorrow. Eubanks is already starting, but as was noted above, fouls have been an issue. From what I've seen, the only guy currently not playing a ton of minutes who warrants more playing time is N'diaye. Needs to improve his rebounding a bit, but has been making the most of his opportunities. I'll agree that Duvivier could and should be playing better. Aside from that though, our entire offense has hit the skids since conference play started. I'm not sure what the answer is, or even if there is an answer, other than this team isn't quite ready for prime time yet.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 21, 2016 12:34:53 GMT -8
As "pathetic" as OSU's free throw shooting is (67%), draining 1 more per 10 taken would put them at 77% and ranked 5th in the nation in that category.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 21, 2016 13:08:58 GMT -8
As "pathetic" as OSU's free throw shooting is (67%), draining 1 more per 10 taken would put them at 77% and ranked 5th in the nation in that category. Uhhh, 10% across a team/season is a big amount. We're currently 255th out of 346 as a result (instead of 5th at 10% better). This is not a team with any margin for error in conference play, and so currently this is one more disadvantage for us that we have to make up. However, I agree it's not the biggest shortcoming of this team, it just seems like one of the more correctable ones. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 21, 2016 13:41:11 GMT -8
It still amazes me that the difference between the best and worst teams in the nation is only 15% or so. Unless you shoot 40-60 free throws a game the 1-2 points a game improved free throw shooting might typically bring is rarely the difference in the game.
Watching it does make my jaws clench, to the point I went and shot 10 straight free throws after 15 minutes of shooting baskets a couple weeks ago... missed one, made one, missed one, then made 7 in a row.... proved nothing since nobody shoots more than 1-3 in a row to zone in their shot in a real game. If they gave 10 shots for every foul, then good free throw shooting could really make a huge difference.
The ability to draw fouls and get to the line, or play good D without fouling, makes a lot more difference in a game than just plain good free throw shooting.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 21, 2016 15:53:59 GMT -8
It's impact is more significant than you are assuming.
- We missed at least 3 front-end of 1&1s yesterday, giving us zero percent on the 2nd one
- A 65% average means you likely are sending a mix of both 50% and 80% FT shooters to the line. If you get to pick who you fouls late in a game, you can really impact a specific game's outcome. A 75% shooting team likely has no 50% FT shooters on it - or at least any that have to be in during crunch time.
- With less than a minute to go, a 3 pt lead with a 75+% FT shooting team is almost insurmountable. We saw that with Utah - the game was over once we had to trade them FTs for shots.
- Since we are offensively challenged, a delta of -5 on FTs combined with an otherwise -4 or 5 points forces a different style of play than what we're best at. It's akin to a 2 TD football lead and a team that is best at running the ball - our odds of winning really get low because we have to change styles to catch up. This is the point when both Colorado and UCLA ran away from us.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Jan 23, 2016 12:10:17 GMT -8
As "pathetic" as OSU's free throw shooting is (67%), draining 1 more per 10 taken would put them at 77% and ranked 5th in the nation in that category. That is not good math. I understand your point, but if you hit 67 of 100 shots you are shooting 67%. It is the 33 missed shots that need some attention. If they hit 10 of the missed 33 shots, which is 30%, you get your 77%, but if they hit 22 of the missed 33 shots, which is also 67%, they would be leading the nation at 89%. All they have to do is improve their missed shots from 0% to 67%, then they are shooting at 89%. See how math works? In other words, the entire team needs to combine to hit 89 free throws in a row, and they can take the next 11 off. LOL. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 23, 2016 13:10:51 GMT -8
As "pathetic" as OSU's free throw shooting is (67%), draining 1 more per 10 taken would put them at 77% and ranked 5th in the nation in that category. That is not good math. I understand your point, but if you hit 67 of 100 shots you are shooting 67%. It is the 33 missed shots that need some attention. If they hit 10 of the missed 33 shots, which is 30%, you get your 77%, but if they hit 22 of the missed 33 shots, which is also 67%, they would be leading the nation at 89%. All they have to do is improve their missed shots from 0% to 67%, then they are shooting at 89%. See how math works? In other words, the entire team needs to combine to hit 89 free throws in a row, and they can take the next 11 off. LOL. His math is quite right... if you read he says "1 more for every 10 taken"... hence 67% is 6.7 made for every 10 taken... one more would be 7.7 for every 10 taken... hence 77%. Hitting 10 of the 33 missed would be 77 made of 100, also 77%. Your math of 10 of 33 is 30 % missed is mathematical fallacy as those missed shots came out of the initial 100 shots, hence that % is not an independent outcome. It is making 10 more out of the 100 taken which is indeed a 10% increase... see how math works??? LOL |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2016 13:25:31 GMT -8
Thanks baseba1111.
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