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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 3, 2017 10:25:13 GMT -8
No offense to someone who is trying to make a difference... but, this is the perfect example of why individual call and emails only confuse the real issue. The "powers that be" hear a laundry list of items on various points, yet are vastly different from person to person. To make a change/difference there needs to be a concerted effort by a larger group with an agreed upon agenda. The bullets listed above are indeed just one man's opinion, and to me very minor issue when taken as a whole.
Look at it from the Admin's POV... you receive 100's/1000's of emails and calls complaining about various issues in various sports and you certainly can not "fix" them all or please even half of those people. BUT, if you get a unified agenda of say a couple/three key starting points that is backed by 100's of signers you have made a huge statement that can not be ignored. I have had one of these one on one (actually 2 on 4) face to face meetings with the AD and staff... polite interaction, listened, then filled the air full of excuses.
The first point has to be.... OSU needs to fund football on a equal level as other successful programs... 30%+ of the AD's budget. Other sports are going to have to take a "haircut" for a while. The second point is the current direction of the football program and the "cost analysis" of starting over or losing a generation of fan support, both $ and community/state-wide involvement.
The remainder of the "materialistic" items are meaningless until the football program (and the AD's office/department as a whole) is fully funded and functional. What is the point of making a mascot or stadium rename or finishing said stadium if the product playing there is an unfunded poorly run joke?
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Post by nabeav on Oct 3, 2017 10:27:39 GMT -8
Ditching Nike might have a negative effect. I believe the baseball program is pretty tight with Nike, given the Corvallis Knights and all.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 3, 2017 10:32:34 GMT -8
Ditching Nike might have a negative effect. I believe the baseball program is pretty tight with Nike, given the Corvallis Knights and all. Nike didn't make the baseball program... nor did the Knights moving to Goss. In fact, moving away from Nike to say UA, would make the baseball team the flagship college baseball program in their brand.
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Post by beavdowg on Oct 3, 2017 11:09:31 GMT -8
Please don't go in there with the athletic dept. employees and tell them the concerns you have. I'm sorry, I know you mean well and want the best for OSU, but your main points you gave us are SO NOT the problem. Please don't give the employees a reason to distract themselves from the real problems. This football program appears to be in some big time program-killing trajectory. That should be their #1 and ONLY focus right now, the football program, period!
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Post by seastape on Oct 3, 2017 11:22:34 GMT -8
Here is the question you need to ask: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND COUNTRY WHY IN THE WORLD IS GARY ANDERSEN STILL THE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH?!?!?!?!?!?! (And yes, please yell it ) As far as your email goes... I couldn't disagree MORE with your first two bullets (I love the new logo and no we DON'T have the tradition of an Ohio State or Alabama, no need to pretend like we do... goofy Benny and angry Benny were a joke...) Renaming is... Bizarre why would we want to do that? I fully agree with point 3, we need to finish Reser. If CSU can do it we should be able to as well... I hope you have a productive phone call! It's rare that I agree with the entirety of a post that has four separate points in it...but here it is...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 3, 2017 11:33:49 GMT -8
Ditching Nike might have a negative effect. I believe the baseball program is pretty tight with Nike, given the Corvallis Knights and all. Nike didn't make the baseball program... nor did the Knights moving to Goss. In fact, moving away from Nike to say UA, would make the baseball team the flagship college baseball program in their brand. Pat Casey is extremely close to the Phil and Penny Knight. Nike/the Knight family/the Knights have played a big role in several past/planned stadium improvement projects. I do not think Pat would be please to end the association.
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Post by snohobeav on Oct 3, 2017 11:49:21 GMT -8
No more chainsaw? I freaking love the chainsaw. It's one of the few original things we do. AND it's a tradition that came out of nowhere. It just started being played on 3rd down and now we're known (reviled?) for it. Similarly with the 1st down chant (you can hear the tune in the backgroud at the Fiesta Bowl. Unlike made-up "traditions" like presenting the game ball by passing it down through the stands.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 3, 2017 11:50:16 GMT -8
Not to be jumping one's case or pile on, but I'll state my opinion as well. I agree with finish Reser and that's about it. The name is bought and paid for and we should honor our obligations.
The new logo has really grown on me and is up to date, and though I'm good with old Benny, Athletic/Angry Benny is still my favorite.
The article mentioned litterally a half billion in current and near future grants. It doesn't mention anything more than a year or two in the past. The marine science program may not get talked about by the general public like sports does, but it's a pretty big deal as far as the academics and grant portion of university life goes.
The suggestion to redistribute atletic spending to where the distribution towards football is comparable to our competition is a good one.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2017 12:11:18 GMT -8
No more chainsaw? I freaking love the chainsaw. It's one of the few original things we do. AND it's a tradition that came out of nowhere. It just started being played on 3rd down and now we're known (reviled?) for it. Similarly with the 1st down chant (you can hear the tune in the backgroud at the Fiesta Bowl. Unlike made-up "traditions" like presenting the game ball by passing it down through the stands. I like the chainsaw. It's hilarious, the ultimate taunt. The 1st down chant is great at home. The Texas guys were mocking us for doing it at the Alamo Bowl. Something about celebrating mediocrity.......... I wish that Oregon State's new traditions felt more spontaneous and less formulaic and corporate. But I still think "(Crank It Like a) Chainsaw" was a good idea, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 3, 2017 12:12:47 GMT -8
Totally with you on crank it like a chainsaw, wilky. It was hokey and annoying, but it was OURS. We never even gave it a chance.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 3, 2017 12:16:51 GMT -8
Reser naming is already bought. Reser family reupped a few years ago. so nothing happening there until the contract ends. I had no idea. Any clue into how long that goes for? Is that normal? Does Autzen's family pay for the name in Eugene? Or is this thing only for programs that are hurting? Putting on my "mentoring" hat and putting away my "being a dick on a message board" hat This is why it is a good idea to research things before commenting. Like others have said, It is good that you have issues with OSU and you are letting your voice be heard through appropriate channels and with appropriate behavior. But is is paramount you understand the issues. This isn't just good advice here and now, but in life. It reflects poorly on you when you raise a stink about a topic that has an immediate and easy answer. A simple google of "Reser Stadium Naming Rights" gives the following information on the first link you click: Oregon State University has sold the name to its football stadium in a deal worth up to $12.5 million over 25 years. The 35,362-seat stadium, formerly known as Parker Stadium, will be renamed Reser Stadium after Beaverton businessman Al Reser. Reser is giving the OSU athletic department $5 million over 10 years. He has the right to keep his name on the stadium for 15 more years if he agrees before 2003 to give an additional $7.5 million.That was in 1999 25 years puts Reser on the Stadium until 2024. 5 minutes on google and you are aware the stadium issue is moot. More over, you realize the stadium is Reser because of a total of over $12 million in donations. Al Reser is far and away the biggest sports donor to Oregon State. While some people snicker at the name, Al has been a rock for OSU sports. Renaming Reser is probably a non-starter in any way, shape or form, for the bare minimum of the contract term. Another quick google session reveals that we are under contract with Nike until the 2018-2019 seasons, and Nike is providing OSU programs with $17 million in Nike products for the 8 year period of the agreement. With another $4 million in merchandise due to Oregon state, it is not reasonable to expect the AD office to address this issue now. There will be obvious opportunity to address our apparel agreements with the closing of our contract at the end of next year. I sort of addressed your last point a bit. This is where you make a faulty comparison to attempt to make a point. OSU securing a large grant for a boat is apples and oranges in comparison to fundraising a stadium. Grants are just that. Grants. Issued to universities, for the purpose of conducting research or supporting the conducting of research. it is an entire universe apart from trying to finance a stadium construction. This distracts from your point. OSU can get millions in academic grants because it is a research university and that is what it is suppose to do. apply for and receive grant funding. From your wording you appear to insinuate that OSU paid for the boat... or in someway financed this boat. it is simply not the case. So that is my feedback. research your topics, understand the universe and frame your argument with this information.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 12:22:30 GMT -8
"To Scott Barnes, Kyle Bjornstad, Zack Lassiter, Steve Fenk and any other highly regarded OSU staff that may ready this: We can agree that athletics is what brings alums and fans together. I can tell you I have never met another alum and talked about what degree we got (although it is of utmost importance). What we DO talk about is how the football, baseball, basketball teams etc. are doing and that is what makes us feel connected. This is why billions in NCAA apparel is sold each year. The academics does not cause people to go into their local college bookstore and drop $200 on items to show their pride...the athletics does. Please don't take this as me diminishing the importance of getting a degree and using it to better our communities we live in (that is the goal). With that said, here are a few items I have been hearing for years now from fans and alum alike: The OSU Bookstore is a non-profit organization. It pumps the money back to the students. When you buy that sweatshirt, you are supporting the students. I haven't done the legwork to see if it's true or just where the money goes, but that's what they state.1) The new logo should go. The old Benny the Beaver needs to come back and stay. Logo doesn't change anything. I proudly wore old Benny, sported angry Beaver, and now have sleek Beaver stuff. I like old Benny. But who cares? If we are winning, no one cares.OSU must find it's niche by playing off the rich tradition/history we have. This part is interesting but I'm not sure how it would play out in sports. Should we abandon our current color scheme and go back to the brown we used to wear? Different uniforms? How does this solve anything.2) If possible, rename Reser to a name that is inclusive to OSU fans/alums and is football related and taps into our tradition. Possibly "Baker Stadium" (for our one and only Heisman winner)? The State Collesium (which tells people that OSU is the FOUNDING university of the STATE and the original major public University in Oregon) or something of that nature? I hate the name, too, but we can't afford to neglect the money Reeser must have paid for the privilege. We ought to go back to them and get more to finish the stadium. Sell it that way. Why would they want their name on an inferior product?3) Finish Reser. Although this may seem obvious, to fans it seems crazy to see headlines like this in the news and still be left with half of a stadium. I can assure you that the football program and athletics as a whole brings in more money than marine research. "OSU lands $122 million grant for new research vessel in Newport" www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/07/osu_lands_122_million_grant_oc.htmlThis is where you are completely out of bounds. This is the hard work of professors and students paying off. They wrote the grant proposals and did what was needed to get that gift from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. And grant money is usually clearly defined in terms of how it can be spent, so the athletic department can't just siphon off a couple of million here or there. The professors (and project researchers) will spend it. Congrats to them! Just as if the Beavs played in the Rose Bowl this year. How much of that cash would find its way to the math department? Not a cent. Completely different worlds. Which is the way it should be. Otherwise OSU wouldn't have any academics at all and still have a crappy football team.
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 3, 2017 12:26:56 GMT -8
I heard this entrance tradition happened by accident. ........and it's awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 12:28:18 GMT -8
I had no idea. Any clue into how long that goes for? Is that normal? Does Autzen's family pay for the name in Eugene? Or is this thing only for programs that are hurting? Putting on my "mentoring" hat and putting away my "being a dick on a message board" hat This is why it is a good idea to research things before commenting. Like others have said, It is good that you have issues with OSU and you are letting your voice be heard through appropriate channels and with appropriate behavior. But is is paramount you understand the issues. This isn't just good advice here and now, but in life. It reflects poorly on you when you raise a stink about a topic that has an immediate and easy answer. A simple google of "Reser Stadium Naming Rights" gives the following information on the first link you click: Oregon State University has sold the name to its football stadium in a deal worth up to $12.5 million over 25 years. The 35,362-seat stadium, formerly known as Parker Stadium, will be renamed Reser Stadium after Beaverton businessman Al Reser. Reser is giving the OSU athletic department $5 million over 10 years. He has the right to keep his name on the stadium for 15 more years if he agrees before 2003 to give an additional $7.5 million.That was in 1999 25 years puts Reser on the Stadium until 2024. 5 minutes on google and you are aware the stadium issue is moot. More over, you realize the stadium is Reser because of a total of over $12 million in donations. Al Reser is far and away the biggest sports donor to Oregon State. While some people snicker at the name, Al has been a rock for OSU sports. Renaming Reser is probably a non-starter in any way, shape or form, for the bare minimum of the contract term. Another quick google session reveals that we are under contract with Nike until the 2018-2019 seasons, and Nike is providing OSU programs with $17 million in Nike products for the 8 year period of the agreement. With another $4 million in merchandise due to Oregon state, it is not reasonable to expect the AD office to address this issue now. There will be obvious opportunity to address our apparel agreements with the closing of our contract at the end of next year. I sort of addressed your last point a bit. This is where you make a faulty comparison to attempt to make a point. OSU securing a large grant for a boat is apples and oranges in comparison to fundraising a stadium. Grants are just that. Grants. Issued to universities, for the purpose of conducting research or supporting the conducting of research. it is an entire universe apart from trying to finance a stadium construction. This distracts from your point. OSU can get millions in academic grants because it is a research university and that is what it is suppose to do. apply for and receive grant funding. From your wording you appear to insinuate that OSU paid for the boat... or in someway financed this boat. it is simply not the case. So that is my feedback. research your topics, understand the universe and frame your argument with this information. While I have no love for Nike, they are an Oregon business. And while good business negotiations weigh numerous factors, I am guessing that our value as a representative of Nike apparel has probably dropped and UA or Adidas probably isn't going to bend over backwards to get us either. Might as well keep the local economy going.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 3, 2017 12:33:08 GMT -8
Also my wife make fun of potato salad stadium all the time. Doesn’t say much for your sense of gratitude. I’m grateful for Al and Pat Reser’s monumental contributions to OSU.
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