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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 10:00:23 GMT -8
sounds as if you feel Mcm would have made a difference yesterday. I personally think he would have floundered. He is not a brilliant athlete or thrower and, besides two of the best targets werent playing yesterday. Yes he is better than DG but he would have gotten shelled yesterday all the same. You bet I believe 3M would have "made a difference" yesterday. Maybe it's another 12/28 for 148 yards and 2 picks, or maybe it's a little better. What it certainly would not be was 3.2 yards per pass attempt, which is what we got from DG. No one is saying we beat UW with 3M at QB, but we just might be a respectable offense. SaveSaveDG is horrible, I've said that from day 1, but his receivers sure didn't help him out much either. Plus no Togiai or Hodgins. Can someone explain the Togiai thing? All I know is he was warming up, then nothing. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2017 10:21:59 GMT -8
Seriously - including a pre-WSU Luton we have exactly zero guys who could make this throw. Dammit! Note to self, do not come to this site if you don't want your day ruined.
What an amazing throw. I'm positive had they just backed this kid from day one he would have become a top-level Pac 12 QB.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 10:35:22 GMT -8
Seriously - including a pre-WSU Luton we have exactly zero guys who could make this throw. Dammit! Note to self, do not come to this site if you don't want your day ruined.
What an amazing throw. I'm positive had they just backed this kid from day one he would have become a top-level Pac 12 QB.
If he only had a division one arm... |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 1, 2017 10:42:32 GMT -8
If only there was someway to know how 3M might fare against a UW defense.... Oh, wait, we all saw it last season. Not good - and their defense is even better now. Oh please. We at least had 325 yards of offense last year. Beats he heck out of our 185 this year. To top that off, this year's QB has a comparatively significantly higher amount of career starts and experience than McMaryion had when he faced UW last year. I wrote this post on the tail end of a lot of beer last night... I'd forgotten that Fresno State played Washington just the other week.... and that 3M and Fresno State put up better numbers in the half he played than OSU did the entire game last night. So yes, we do pretty much know how 3M would fare against UW this season. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 10:49:14 GMT -8
I think we can all agree that he would be a superior option to the game, but ineffective DG.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 10:58:19 GMT -8
sounds as if you feel Mcm would have made a difference yesterday. I personally think he would have floundered. He is not a brilliant athlete or thrower and, besides two of the best targets werent playing yesterday. Yes he is better than DG but he would have gotten shelled yesterday all the same. You bet I believe 3M would have "made a difference" yesterday. Maybe it's another 12/28 for 148 yards and 2 picks, or maybe it's a little better. What it certainly would not be was 3.2 yards per pass attempt, which is what we got from DG. No one is saying we beat UW with 3M at QB, but we just might be a respectable offense. SaveSave3M would make a difference both physically and mentally. But I also think there is an X factor from Team morale and increased effort. What if most of the starters were expecting 3M to start based on last years performance finish and they feel betrayed and robbed? Do not discount what kind of cancer this may cause. Resentment toward Anderpants? Luton? The difference between 100% and 92% is huge...not only on the field, but in the weight room, film room, locker room, etc. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2017 11:11:47 GMT -8
Dammit! Note to self, do not come to this site if you don't want your day ruined.
What an amazing throw. I'm positive had they just backed this kid from day one he would have become a top-level Pac 12 QB.
If he only had a division one arm... Or was a vocal leader |
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 1, 2017 11:13:52 GMT -8
You bet I believe 3M would have "made a difference" yesterday. Maybe it's another 12/28 for 148 yards and 2 picks, or maybe it's a little better. What it certainly would not be was 3.2 yards per pass attempt, which is what we got from DG. No one is saying we beat UW with 3M at QB, but we just might be a respectable offense. SaveSave3M would make a difference both physically and mentally. But I also think there is an X factor from Team morale and increased effort. What if most of the starters were expecting 3M to start based on last years performance finish and they feel betrayed and robbed? Do not discount what kind of cancer this may cause. Resentment toward Anderpants? Luton? The difference between 100% and 92% is huge...not only on the field, but in the weight room, film room, locker room, etc. Not to mention game planning. Last night we threw 3-4 yard passes on 3rd and long and expected our backs and WRs to gain the other 8-10 on their own. Even if Villamin for example hangs on, it's 4th and 6 instead of 4th and 10. Awesome. |
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Post by obf on Oct 2, 2017 16:04:20 GMT -8
Seriously - including a pre-WSU Luton we have exactly zero guys who could make this throw. BEAUTIFUL throw! Man I wish 3M was still here!!! To be fair Luton threw almost the same exact pass to Togiai for TD as well, but I still agree I wish we had stuck with 3M as starter this season. I still think we are 3-2 at a minimum with 3M as starter... (losses to WSU and UW) Sigh... CGA, please retire now... Lutons Pass: |
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Post by dambuilders on Oct 3, 2017 10:33:38 GMT -8
Yes, Oregon State almost lost to Portland State. Idaho State > Portland State. Idaho State finished dead last the last two years but was respectable prior. Idaho State is fifth in the Big Sky this year. Nevada losing to Idaho State on a failed two-point conversion with 58 seconds left hardly qualifies as a boat race, IMO. Also, Nevada's five losses have been by a combined 84 points. Just for comparison purposes, Oregon State's four losses have come by a combined 129 points. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 3, 2017 13:44:26 GMT -8
Seriously - including a pre-WSU Luton we have exactly zero guys who could make this throw. BEAUTIFUL throw! Man I wish 3M was still here!!! To be fair Luton threw almost the same exact pass to Togiai for TD as well, but I still agree I wish we had stuck with 3M as starter this season. I still think we are 3-2 at a minimum with 3M as starter... (losses to WSU and UW) Sigh... CGA, please retire now... Lutons Pass: We wouldn't be 3-2 with Aaron Rodgers as QB. Have you seen the rest of our team? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2017 14:02:57 GMT -8
BEAUTIFUL throw! Man I wish 3M was still here!!! To be fair Luton threw almost the same exact pass to Togiai for TD as well, but I still agree I wish we had stuck with 3M as starter this season. I still think we are 3-2 at a minimum with 3M as starter... (losses to WSU and UW) Sigh... CGA, please retire now... Lutons Pass: We wouldn't be 3-2 with Aaron Rodgers as QB. Have you seen the rest of our team? McMaryion had a way of making everyone around him better, like Smitty. This team is not the s#@*-show it is, if McMaryion is behind center. With Luton working on foot motion and throwing mechanics. If the offense had done anything in the first half, Washington was winnable. Oregon State is not set up to come back, but the Beavers with McMaryion at quarterback might have been able to hold on to a lead. (And McMaryion would have put the team in a better position to come back, if there was a 7-0 deficit.) Little things get magnified into 24+ point blowouts quickly. But competent quarterback play might have put Oregon State into a position to win. Luton winning the QB battle was the straw that broke the camel's back. Whatever gains were made over the last two seasons were swept away with one insipid decision. We are in year three of tearing down the building to its studs and thinking about re-building. And guess what? There still is nothing to build on. There is no identity. The players know GAG is a buffoon. What do we do? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 3, 2017 14:42:12 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2017 14:49:55 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
This team is a S*&tshow with any QB right now. At halftime: Colorado State 24 - Oregon State 20 Minnesota 20 - Oregon State 14 Washington 7 - Oregon State 0 One or two plays, turn those games into halftime leads for Oregon State. With McMaryion at the helm, at least one of those three turns into a full-time win. The defense is bad, but their problems are exacerbated by an offense that consistently scurries back to the bench after three plays in the second half. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 15:04:17 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
This team is a S*&tshow with any QB right now. At halftime: Colorado State 24 - Oregon State 20 Minnesota 20 - Oregon State 14 Washington 7 - Oregon State 0 One or two plays, turn those games into halftime leads for Oregon State. With McMaryion at the helm, at least one of those three turns into a full-time win. The defense is bad, but their problems are exacerbated by an offense that consistently scurries back to the bench after three plays in the second half. There you go re-writing history again and making me extremely frustrated. The bottom line is McM only wore size 34's. Case closed. |
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