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Post by 93beav on Sept 30, 2017 11:27:07 GMT -8
they are being compensated in the form of tuition. The schools are not paying them cash. That is a very real difference. No... they are getting "paid" way more than tuition. They are getting the jump on the rest of their lives... they are getting an opportunity of a lifetime paid for them. Cash is not the only way to get paid. I'm betting you do not get "cash". I'm betting if you are lucky enough to get insurance, 401k, etc that is considered "pay" and part of the benefits of 'working' that particular job. These kids, get tuition, books, access to a great school/facilities/academic assistance and tutors, healthcare, food, and fitness facilities and instruction. The only option left is to let them get jobs and work for spending money like every other kid who gets along fine without all the perks already given the athlete. But, allowing jobs opens a entire can of worms that has been exploited for years when it was allowed... basically paying players for nothing. Rich boosters basically hiring kids at their car dealerships, etc. The NCAA is not the answer... they have been broken for so long they will never be able to fix anything. It's up to schools and conferences to decide what their priorities are and move forward with or without NCAA approval. But, paying players is not the fix. The other problem with jobs, to be fair, is that you're asking the kids to practice and work out every day, study hard, play games and still find time to work enough hours to pay for school. Might benefit a lot of rich kids if they didn't have to work. Completely agree with your post. The one perk I would add is that they get many college kid admirers.
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Post by shelby on Sept 30, 2017 16:01:20 GMT -8
I think that something has to change. A big problem, in my mind, in paying these kids is that this will definitely lead to accelerated and more serious off the playing area/ field behavior. Yes, it is not big dollars - but it is a resource for kids that have not seen this kind of money before. The entire program needs to be re-thought. Secondly, there needs to be an oversight group, not the NCAA , of course. Third, I am thinking about a 'golden handcuffs' type of approach. When you accept and agree to a scholarship , they all have different values ( playing for Stanford vs OSU, as an example ). This needs to be addressed for athletes because it is definitely a bigger risk and requires more time, effort and carries a lot more risk. An academic scholarship is, well, just more studying. So, I have no idea how this would work in the University World, but the whole deal should include the scholarship, no CASH while enrolled, but a 'retention annuity' that pays 'after' they graduate. If they leave early.... they lose whatever they have earned. This then goes back into the school pool. At 50K per year , that would mean cashing in, on or losing out on 200K. So, the risk is leave early and do not get the degree, fail to make it in the pro's and lose 200K. This should also include an insurance program that makes each kid whole if they are hurt while representing the University. The business world already does this, and once the thing is set up, it is more or less self perpetuating. Idea is to create an academic tie, financial incentive and sine long term security for each athlete.
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Post by usmc1958 on Sept 30, 2017 22:29:08 GMT -8
....this might be the ONLY way to ensure compliance. I can think of awholehelluvalotta slippery slope arguments against it. Bilas take. Bilas: Paying college athletes is the only way to fix anything es.pn/2xGqyhMvia @espn App es.pn/appBack in the day, a guy named Avery Brundage ( sp ? ) pretty much controlled Amateur Athletics, especially the Olympics. If you received any kind of compensation for playing a sport, you were finished as an amateur. Think Jim Thorpe, possibly one of the finest athletes of all time. He played a few games of Semi Pro Baseball for meal money and was pretty much ruined for life. All gold medals were taken away. When Brundage (who was a tyrant) was gone, things slowly evolved into what we have today. In college, if you are a superior athlete you are most likely receiving some kind of under the table compensation, especially if you are playing for a superior University. Like our Federal Government, things are so corrupt I doubt the Swamp will ever be drained. tsdtr is a prime example. Anyone with half a brain knows that the penalties they got, for their corruptness, which was proved beyond a reasonable doubt, was a joke. Money is power and power corrupts. Always. Well, almost always.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 30, 2017 23:06:31 GMT -8
....this might be the ONLY way to ensure compliance. I can think of awholehelluvalotta slippery slope arguments against it. Bilas take. Bilas: Paying college athletes is the only way to fix anything es.pn/2xGqyhMvia @espn App es.pn/appBack in the day, a guy named Avery Brundage ( sp ? ) pretty much controlled Amateur Athletics, especially the Olympics. If you received any kind of compensation for playing a sport, you were finished as an amateur. Think Jim Thorpe, possibly one of the finest athletes of all time. He played a few games of Semi Pro Baseball for meal money and was pretty much ruined for life. All gold medals were taken away. When Brundage (who was a tyrant) was gone, things slowly evolved into what we have today. In college, if you are a superior athlete you are most likely receiving some kind of under the table compensation, especially if you are playing for a superior University. Like our Federal Government, things are so corrupt I doubt the Swamp will ever be drained. tsdtr is a prime example. Anyone with half a brain knows that the penalties they got, for their corruptness, which was proved beyond a reasonable doubt, was a joke. Money is power and power corrupts. Always. Well, almost always. It is interesting to note that Thorpe's gold medals were taken away, but the AAU violated its own rules in taking them away, because the window to challenge gold medals was 30 days at the time. The IOC restored Thorpe's medals in 1983 (although Thorpe was dead by then).
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Post by Tigardbeav on Oct 1, 2017 7:49:13 GMT -8
I can't wait for athletes to get paid, then they'll have to pay taxes. Then you'll have some 5th year senior who is ineligible because he hasn't paid his back taxes for 3 years. If you thought the IRS targeting the Tea Party was bad, wait till Buckeye staffers start targeting UofM players....... And wage garnishment for child support! Hey coach. I need a raise. My baby moma is killing me
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 16:29:44 GMT -8
they are being compensated in the form of tuition. The schools are not paying them cash. That is a very real difference. No... they are getting "paid" way more than tuition. They are getting the jump on the rest of their lives... they are getting an opportunity of a lifetime paid for them. Cash is not the only way to get paid. I'm betting you do not get "cash". I'm betting if you are lucky enough to get insurance, 401k, etc that is considered "pay" and part of the benefits of 'working' that particular job. These kids, get tuition, books, access to a great school/facilities/academic assistance and tutors, healthcare, food, and fitness facilities and instruction. The only option left is to let them get jobs and work for spending money like every other kid who gets along fine without all the perks already given the athlete. But, allowing jobs opens a entire can of worms that has been exploited for years when it was allowed... basically paying players for nothing. Rich boosters basically hiring kids at their car dealerships, etc. The NCAA is not the answer... they have been broken for so long they will never be able to fix anything. It's up to schools and conferences to decide what their priorities are and move forward with or without NCAA approval. But, paying players is not the fix. They are not being paid cash. That may seem like semantics to you. It is not to them. Cash is something they can support their families with. Tuition, not so much. It's a real difference, no matter how much you put the value of the education at. It's not the same thing. And when you talk about signing recruits, it is the night and day difference. The Schools that get cash into the hands of the players somehow get the 5 star kids. The other schools get the left overs.
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