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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 7:44:45 GMT -8
even worse is that we had a full time special teams coach! Eh... see, this isn't a play call. This was a personnel gaff not caught. Which is a mistake yes, but not a purposeful decision. Obviously OSU was covering a potential onside kick. They failed to put a person deep. mistake. Not a bad play call. punting from the 30 is a purposeful decision. And I am going to be honest, I am REALLY struggling to think of a worse purposeful decision than that. I can think of plenty of facepalms, from Erickson and Riley and across the nation from other coaches. sometimes ya know, go with your instinks. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 19, 2017 10:21:09 GMT -8
So I am trying to think of a worse play then punting from the 30 on 4th and 6.
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Dennis Erickson going empty backfield on a third-and-goal from the 3-yard-line in the final 45 seconds at ASU in 2002, and then not even getting a fourth-down play off after DA got sacked for about a 20-yard loss?
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:38:32 GMT -8
More than anything else, those were the things that drove me insane about Riley...horrible clock management and deciding that He'd let the last 1:40 of a half go to waste because we were backed up all the way to our own 30 yard line. AAArgh! As excruciating as it was sitting through those periods as a fan wanting to see your team in action, there was a method to the madness. Against more talented teams the thought was, it was to our advantage to shorten games. The more plays you run the more likely the more talented team comes out on top. But in the case where there was 1:00-1:30 left (for example), we have the ball on our own 20-30 and a time out or two, use them to move the ball down the field into at least FG range and get some points. Too often it would be 1-2 running plays, take a knee and leave those two TOs on the scoreboard and no points scored with the final possession. Frustrating. And it doesn't matter if we receive the KO in the 2nd half. Each possession is valuable and is a point-scoring opportunity. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2017 10:47:10 GMT -8
As excruciating as it was sitting through those periods as a fan wanting to see your team in action, there was a method to the madness. Against more talented teams the thought was, it was to our advantage to shorten games. The more plays you run the more likely the more talented team comes out on top. But in the case where there was 1:00-1:30 left (for example), we have the ball on our own 20-30 and a time out or two, use them to move the ball down the field into at least FG range and get some points. Too often it would be 1-2 running plays, take a knee and leave those two TOs on the scoreboard and no points scored with the final possession. Frustrating. And it doesn't matter if we receive the KO in the 2nd half. Each possession is valuable and is a point-scoring opportunity. That was probably one of my biggest gripes about the Riley era. If there was less than 60-70 seconds or so left in the first half when the got the ball on the far half of the field you could almost count on a knee. Unfortunately, defensively apparently the coaches thought the other teams would do the same thing. Way too many quick pre-halftime scores by opposing teams for my tastes. |
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 19, 2017 11:27:08 GMT -8
So I am trying to think of a worse play then punting from the 30 on 4th and 6. So how about you put your punt team gunners in at receiver, then go for it on 4th down. The QB lofts a soft duck of a pass to the five yard line right at one of the opponents DB's. The gunners are dragging behind the pass and tackle the DB as soon as he intercepts it at the 5 yard line. Worse idea then punting from the 30? Hmmmm... because no coaching staff is immune to major gaffes... How about a very tight game @ Colorado, Buffs score late to make it 36-31 OSU and on the ensuing kick off, OSU has no return men and had to scramble back to fall on the ball!!?? That's not an apples to apples comparison. One was a gaffe, the other was premeditated cowardice. |
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Post by tnarg33 on Sept 19, 2017 12:18:44 GMT -8
So I am trying to think of a worse play then punting from the 30 on 4th and 6. ------------------------------- Dennis Erickson going empty backfield on a third-and-goal from the 3-yard-line in the final 45 seconds at ASU in 2002, and then not even getting a fourth-down play off after DA got sacked for about a 20-yard loss? I remember watching this with my roommates and when time expired we all just sat there for a couple minutes in silence trying to figure out if the game was actually over and what the hell just happened. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 19, 2017 12:35:35 GMT -8
Had Tuli-Matagi not made that sliding catch on the fake punt wobble-heave by Hernandez from the 28 the week before, we'd all be talking about that as the dumbest play we'd ever seen.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 19, 2017 17:04:13 GMT -8
As excruciating as it was sitting through those periods as a fan wanting to see your team in action, there was a method to the madness. Against more talented teams the thought was, it was to our advantage to shorten games. The more plays you run the more likely the more talented team comes out on top. But in the case where there was 1:00-1:30 left (for example), we have the ball on our own 20-30 and a time out or two, use them to move the ball down the field into at least FG range and get some points. Too often it would be 1-2 running plays, take a knee and leave those two TOs on the scoreboard and no points scored with the final possession. Frustrating. And it doesn't matter if we receive the KO in the 2nd half. Each possession is valuable and is a point-scoring opportunity. In the context of the moment I agree and know how frustrating it was to watch play out. Whether it was right or wrong can be debated endlessly, but there was a logic and plan behind those end of half decisions which stemmed from the overall game plan. |
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 19, 2017 17:06:03 GMT -8
But in the case where there was 1:00-1:30 left (for example), we have the ball on our own 20-30 and a time out or two, use them to move the ball down the field into at least FG range and get some points. Too often it would be 1-2 running plays, take a knee and leave those two TOs on the scoreboard and no points scored with the final possession. Frustrating. And it doesn't matter if we receive the KO in the 2nd half. Each possession is valuable and is a point-scoring opportunity. In the context of the moment I agree and know how frustrating it was to watch play out. Whether it was right or wrong can be debated endlessly, but there was a logic and plan behind those end of half decisions which stemmed from the overall game plan. I'm not big on a "let's not try to score" gameplan. |
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