bill82
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Post by bill82 on Jun 9, 2017 2:08:37 GMT -8
I don't think that would have been fair to the victim. You should not get ahead of the story without thinking of the victim. Just like the Oregonian should have done more research on victims and juvenile perps before rushing to press. IMHO It's not fair to the victim to give an athlete the type of platform that makes this newsworthy in the first place. That's worse than what the media has done here. If the story doesn't come out, the victim and her family still likely suffer painful reminders. I imagine it'd be pretty hard for them to watch him win a championship, get drafted, sign a 6 or 7 figure contract, etc., without receiving any backlash for his crime. The victim would've been better off if he had never been given the opportunity to achieve that level of success. I think, but I don't know for sure, that victims right advocates would not be promoters of recycling these stories every time a perp has success. I doubt they are counseling victims to seek revenge in perpetuity. I'm also guessing Casey believes in salvation and that LH has been forgiven. But of course we don't know this because the Oregonian ran the story before it was complete. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 9, 2017 6:41:04 GMT -8
I'm old school. Because it's the right thing to do in my opinion. I'm not so sure there wouldn't have been those questions. It's commonplace on job applications and I can't imagine it's not on current college apps/paperwork. Per the article, OSU does not ask for that anywhere in its application. For whatever it's worth, - one of my kids will be a student athlete at another college next year and as I recall - I don't believe it came up in any financial aid paperwork (I think there was a question about drug-related offense?), it definitely wasn't on his school admissions paperwork or athletic dept forms. However it was specifically asked on his student housing application - which makes sense to me. |
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Post by waldo on Jun 9, 2017 6:43:27 GMT -8
It's not fair to the victim to give an athlete the type of platform that makes this newsworthy in the first place. That's worse than what the media has done here. If the story doesn't come out, the victim and her family still likely suffer painful reminders. I imagine it'd be pretty hard for them to watch him win a championship, get drafted, sign a 6 or 7 figure contract, etc., without receiving any backlash for his crime. The victim would've been better off if he had never been given the opportunity to achieve that level of success. I think, but I don't know for sure, that victims right advocates would not be promoters of recycling these stories every time a perp has success. I doubt they are counseling victims to seek revenge in perpetuity. I'm also guessing Casey believes in salvation and that LH has been forgiven. But of course we don't know this because the Oregonian ran the story before it was complete. Just seeing his name would bring back memories, regardless of whether or not they mention this story. And I doubt he's been forgiven. I can't imagine an 11 year old capable of truly forgiving something like that, and the mom of the victim wouldn't be on record saying she's appalled that a program would have him on their team. That alone says it all. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Jun 9, 2017 7:09:58 GMT -8
I want to be clear, I'm not trying to defend what Luke did or may do in the future. The reality is we go to school, work, and live around people who have committed these types of crimes. This story is a reminder of that.
I for one don't want to live in a society where anyone who has committed a crime is removed completely from our society.
I get it this gets more complicated because he is a very good baseball player. This situation seems similar to the few MLB players who are getting caught physically abusing there wives recently. There needs to be consequences (we can argue about what is enough) and then they go back to making millions of dollars playing the game they have been blessed to play.
Beyond sports, these situations cause all of us to analyze what do we really believe when it comes to forgiveness etc...
I had a close High School friend commit some crimes (theft) as an adult, he was caught. Did his time in prison and it completely changed his life. He now has a young family, owns his own small landscape bushiness and is a healthy member of our community.
I for one believe people need second and some times third chances. Yes... the crime Luke plead guilty too is ugly, sickening and has long reaching consequences for the victim but Luke should be given a chance for an education and a life beyond the mistake he made. He can go on to do good things and be a very different person.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 9, 2017 8:17:20 GMT -8
I think, but I don't know for sure, that victims right advocates would not be promoters of recycling these stories every time a perp has success. I doubt they are counseling victims to seek revenge in perpetuity. I'm also guessing Casey believes in salvation and that LH has been forgiven. But of course we don't know this because the Oregonian ran the story before it was complete. Just seeing his name would bring back memories, regardless of whether or not they mention this story. And I doubt he's been forgiven. I can't imagine an 11 year old capable of truly forgiving something like that, and the mom of the victim wouldn't be on record saying she's appalled that a program would have him on their team. That alone says it all. On the 11 year old truly forgiving... The mom said the 11 year old barely remembers it. Seeing this all brought up again and MAYBE messing up Luke's future might make someone feel like he's getting what he deserves, but it's probably doing harm to the victim as far as being able to get past the whole thing. What Luke did was wrong plain and simple, but this article surfacing just might punish the victim as much or more than it punishes him. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 9, 2017 8:18:05 GMT -8
I'm not exactly following your logic of how the victim would have been better off if Luke had been denied the opportunity to succeed. It's pretty simple. Pretend he doesn't receive an athletic scholarship and doesn't have a career in baseball as a result. Is this even a story right now? No. Do they have to watch him receive recognition for a high level of athletic success without receiving any backlash for his crime? No. Would it be easier for the victim and her family to move on in that scenario? I'd assume so. How would you feel if a high schooler sexually assaulted a member of your family and then went on to receive a free education and play professional sports? So, the benefit is they never have to hear about the kid again? Or is it that he's punished by more than the legal system imposed? There's still really no actual benefit to the victim. |
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billsaab
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Post by billsaab on Jun 9, 2017 9:00:59 GMT -8
I care about the Victom who's life has been altered. My daughter was Molested when 6 years old by a babysitter's 12 year old Nephew. 9 Years later we found out about it through counseling dealing with Her depression. She almost committed suicide. That is what scares me about this. I am all for forgiveness and rstoration. So I have no problem with Luke playing. I do have a problem with OSU not handling this well and not doing their diligence. It makes Baseball not seem so important.Glad it is a Home Game. Wonder what signs would appear if it were a road game ? This took us 9 years to find out the root cause of the depression. Almost tking her own life with Pills This is how tragic it can be.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 9, 2017 10:02:50 GMT -8
Billsaab, is there a typo involving the nephew in there somewhere? At 1 year of age I'd wonder if the nephew knew what he was doing at all. Sorry to hear what your daughter has gone through.
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rafer
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Post by rafer on Jun 9, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -8
I'm not exactly following your logic of how the victim would have been better off if Luke had been denied the opportunity to succeed. Wow... it's not like the crime somehow enhanced Luke's opportunities or lead to his success. So, tragedy should beget more tragedy... just a never ending downward spiral?  What is it that many are asking for here? It's a tragic event and result however you slice it, everybody losses. What is concerning to me is that many seems to believe that Luke should pay forever, news flash, he will pay forever, no matter what his rapidly diminishing prospects are now. The girl will always remember what happened, but time will negate some of the remorse and grief, it's what time eventually does, thankfully, I sincerely hope she has a healthy and prosperous life. The parents will always remember and I'm sure will never get over the shock and pain and understandably the contempt for Luke. What some folks seem to need, or want, is that he not be allowed to succeed at any level, ever, that punishment should be continuous and everlasting. I can only pretend to know the stress he is likely feeling and others have gone through and it is life changing and unfortunately, sometimes life ending. Many choose to end their lives after being punished forever, is that really what we are after, how far does it go before depression takes over a life?? If that is the ultimate end solution that the family and some fans are seeking, count me out, if he is supposed to be penniless the rest of his life, count me out. I'm a long ways from being a softy and I hate sex crimes, but I can't abide by some who don't follow this through logically and understand that unless all involved "move on" there can be no healing and life will continue to spiral out of control, victim and perpetuator included. To punish the whole team by NOT cheering for them, (making yet another 30 or so victims) and their efforts, selling tickets, etc., (do we cancel season tickets for other sports in protest) only serves to continue the angst over this, at some point they will all have to continue their lives, lets hope that eventually we can too. I'll be rooting the team on this weekend, with or without Luke, but I understand that their hearts may be somewhere else, tragic end to a wonderfully entertaining and historic season, can't imagine the stress in the dugout. I ride with PC!!! |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 9, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -8
I think, but I don't know for sure, that victims right advocates would not be promoters of recycling these stories every time a perp has success. I doubt they are counseling victims to seek revenge in perpetuity. I'm also guessing Casey believes in salvation and that LH has been forgiven. But of course we don't know this because the Oregonian ran the story before it was complete. Didn't the Oregonian ask OSU/Luke/Casey for comment and they all declined? Should they have just not run the story at all waiting for them? My biggest question is with regards to student privacy laws...does that apply when everyone already knows that he is a registered sex offender? OSU declined to comment specifically on his situation due to student privacy laws, but then came out and said what their policies are with regards to registered sex offenders on campus. I do not understand why, with it being public knowledge of his status, why they would not have said "we were aware of the situation and have followed all our stated policies and procedures with regards to the student in question." Had that happened, I think there'd be a lot less follow-up questions and "who knew what when" speculation. Unfortunately, I fear that somewhere along the line someone dropped the ball on what was supposed to happen, and there's going to be some repercussions for someone. |
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