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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 8, 2017 8:31:28 GMT -8
I read the article like you and as I said before we can each make our own judgments whether this player deserves to play and if you want to support him based on the facts of the case as presented. I do take issue with attacking Danny etc. when he just got the report last week. Should he have just sat on it and not reported it? Should he have released it before the Yale game Sunday? I don't know what you wanted him to do i don't think this is sinking in, This is a juvenile matter. It shouldn't be in the "paper" unless there was something else to it besides the fact it happened however many years ago. Well... not a legal eagle, but pretty sure if it was truly a juvenile offense the records would be sealed. A public records request would have found such. Also... the snoregoian made the school aware of the article coming out. It's usually standard procedure to let them know and try to get comment(s). A lot of fishiness in all of this.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 8:32:40 GMT -8
Again they got the report back last week...should they have published it a week ago, maybe I can give you that. I would see the same stories on here about the timing though. Bottom line is this is a sick act and you can make your own value judgments about whether he should be playing or not. is what a sick act? You know nothing about it. Because this involves juveniles. Do you understand? In today's society, mooning somebody will make you a sex offender. This is a sick act. There is no doubt. But what is not in doubt is that Casey and OSU knew about Hemlich, as he was still on probation and actively going to rehabilitation classes when he was being recruited. I have to trust Casey checked the situation out, and felt okay bringing him to OSU. Which to me, means he got more details than we got on the story. He got more background and more information. There is what is described in court, and there is the reality of what happens. Unless something is caught on tape, it is very likely the two differ significantly. All we have are some statements, the fact that LH plead guilty and entered a diversion agreement. He completed two years of probation and two years of therapy classes. and as a proud master degree carrying person of education... I can also attest to the fact we need to be aware of something that is statistically very, very likely. That is that Luke H was also molested or abused himself. being molested as a child is hands down, far and away, the biggest predictor of doing it later in life. It is unquestionable. Which brings me full circle to why this was a bad article to right. None of it is good. All of it is in the past and reached it's legal conclusion. All it does is bring up painful memories, both for the victim and for the Luke which now puts more attention on a bad part of his life and one that has a very high probability of being influenced by abuse he suffered as well. At the end, there is nothing to gain from this. there is no actions one can take. All you have done is left people angry or upset with no recourse or corrective action possible that would be just or fair.
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Post by beavs on Jun 8, 2017 8:33:09 GMT -8
This is a tough one. On one hand, the act that was committed is completely inexcusable and cannot be defended. Then on the other side, that is why there is a legal system and he has paid his dues to society. So at what point do you not allow him to learn from his mistakes and go on living with his second chance. Then you have the side that says, well this girl will have to live with it the rest of her life, so he should have to pay the rest of his life as well. Believe me, I understand all of the circumstances, and I absolutely understand the girl's side as well as her family's. However, I tend to fall under the side of, that's why there is a legal system, he needs to pay his dues, but once that has happened, he needs to be able to have a second chance to live his life under the legal system.
The other part of this is the timing of the story. I really hope that it is just coincidence that this came out at the time it did. I really hope that there isn't some smear campaign, or "clickbait" motive here. If they truly just got all of the facts now, and the story just came to light for them now, then they have every right to report the story. However, it does seem shady and unfortunately we may never know the truth.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 8:33:50 GMT -8
i don't think this is sinking in, This is a juvenile matter. It shouldn't be in the "paper" unless there was something else to it besides the fact it happened however many years ago. Well... not a legal eagle, but pretty sure if it was truly a juvenile offense the records would be sealed. A public records request would have found such. Also... the snoregoian made the school aware of the article coming out. It's usually standard procedure to let them know and try to get comment(s). A lot of fishiness in all of this. What juvenile offenses get sealed are up to the state. In Washington, they do not seal all juvenile offenses. sex crimes are one they do not. The same does not apply to all places.
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Post by bbfan on Jun 8, 2017 8:35:36 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised.
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Post by osbrawler on Jun 8, 2017 8:51:21 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised. If they don't, what will you do? Will they lose you as a 'fan'.
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Post by bill82 on Jun 8, 2017 8:52:38 GMT -8
is what a sick act? You know nothing about it. Because this involves juveniles. Do you understand? and as a proud master degree carrying person of education... I can also attest to the fact we need to be aware of something that is statistically very, very likely. That is that Luke H was also molested or abused himself. being molested as a child is hands down, far and away, the biggest predictor of doing it later in life. It is unquestionable. The Oregonian could have had experts raise this point, and perhaps dig a little deeper to see if this was the case. This is a critical point and I'm glad you raised it. There is a comment on the oregonian article from someone claiming to be a physician. Their comment, although not exactly the same, gets to the point as to why this article does nothing but harm.
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Post by osufan2k on Jun 8, 2017 8:53:08 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised. Oregon State University faculty and staff, You already may have read or heard about an article published today on Oregon Live and in The Oregonian questioning the university's admissions policies. This news story also provided information regarding a reported past sexual offense conviction involving an individual, who is now enrolled as an Oregon State University student. I find this account disturbing and want to let you know that OSU does not condone the conduct as reported. But we also understand that this case involves a criminal matter that was previously addressed by the judicial system in the state of Washington. We take this issue very seriously and I want to be clear that each day the safety and security of our students, faculty and staff is Oregon State University’s number one priority. Our policies and procedures seek to provide a safe learning environment for our entire community and seek to ensure that all prospective and current students are treated fairly and equitably. By university policy, all OSU students – including student-athletes – are subject to the same academic criteria, admissions standards, codes of conduct and community standards while applying to and attending the university. OSU follows U.S. Department of Education recommendations that universities not allow a person’s criminal history to affect disproportionately a student’s access to higher education and opportunity for a better life. It is the policy and practice of OSU that upon learning that a student is a registered sex offender, representatives from Oregon State Student Affairs and the Department of Public Safety meet with the student immediately and coordinate with other departments as needed to mitigate risks associated with a student’s attendance at the university. Under the university’s practices, students who are listed as registered sex offenders are prohibited from living in Oregon State residence halls and from working directly with minors through any of our student employment, teaching, volunteer or outreach programs. As is the case in all university matters – and most particularly as it regards safety – Oregon State continually reviews its policies and practices to ensure that they are aligned with – and serve – the best interests of the OSU community, and particularly our student body. To learn more about our university processes, please read the university’s statement regarding today’s story. Any employees impacted by today’s developments and who need support may utilize the OSU Employee Assistance Program by confidentially calling 1-800-433-2320 at any time, or by calling the Human Resources Department at 541-737-3103. Please refer students who may need help to OSU Counseling and Psychological Services (CAPS) at 541-737-2131 caps@oregonstate.edu. In closing, I would like to assure you that as an institution of higher education, Oregon State University is compelled to provide for community safety and do all we can to support every member of our community as they learn, grow, graduate and prepare to become significant and positive contributors in life, community and career. Sincerely, Edward J. Ray President
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 8, 2017 8:53:32 GMT -8
As far as timing goes, by not reporting in within 10 days of his birthday he technically broke state offender laws just recently, and that's why this just now coming up. The county dropped the charge against him, my guess is he won't make those mistakes again.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 8, 2017 8:53:40 GMT -8
This is a tough one. On one hand, the act that was committed is completely inexcusable and cannot be defended. Then on the other side, that is why there is a legal system and he has paid his dues to society. So at what point do you not allow him to learn from his mistakes and go on living with his second chance. Then you have the side that says, well this girl will have to live with it the rest of her life, so he should have to pay the rest of his life as well. Believe me, I understand all of the circumstances, and I absolutely understand the girl's side as well as her family's. However, I tend to fall under the side of, that's why there is a legal system, he needs to pay his dues, but once that has happened, he needs to be able to have a second chance to live his life under the legal system. The other part of this is the timing of the story. I really hope that it is just coincidence that this came out at the time it did. I really hope that there isn't some smear campaign, or "clickbait" motive here. If they truly just got all of the facts now, and the story just came to light for them now, then they have every right to report the story. However, it does seem shady and unfortunately we may never know the truth. Agreed. The 2nd part is where I get hung up I guess. What's the end game? Is it to let the world know that LH did something horrible and despicable when he was 15? Is it to bring about awareness and reform when it comes to the university admissions process and vetting by the athletic department? If that's the case, are we saying that SO's should not have the opportunity to go to school and to participate in athletics? Or is it because it's a juicy topic that's sure to bring about discussion, clicks, comments?
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Post by nabeav on Jun 8, 2017 9:00:13 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised. They have, they just didn't make it very easy to find. oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/oregon-state-university-response-media-coverage-osu-student-admissions-policies Here's the pertinent paragraph: Upon learning that a student is a registered sex offender, representatives from Oregon State Student Affairs and the Department of Public Safety meet with the student immediately and coordinate with other departments as needed to mitigate risks associated with their attendance at the university. In the case of student athletes, one of the risk mitigation measures taken is that the deputy athletic director for administration and senior woman administrator is notified of the registered sex offender status and risk mitigation. Under the university’s practices, students who are listed as registered sex offenders are prohibited from living in Oregon State residence halls and from working directly with minors through any of our student employment, teaching, volunteer or outreach programs.They don't explicitly say they already knew of Heimlich's status, but if they did, Marianne Vydra was the person notified. So the only issue I see moving forward is that, if he was a known offender to the university, did they allow him to participate in any baseball camps during his time here? If so, that's a major failure by OSU.....but if not, then there's really no action that needs to take place from here on out in my opinion.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 8, 2017 9:09:38 GMT -8
This is a tough one. On one hand, the act that was committed is completely inexcusable and cannot be defended. Then on the other side, that is why there is a legal system and he has paid his dues to society. So at what point do you not allow him to learn from his mistakes and go on living with his second chance. Then you have the side that says, well this girl will have to live with it the rest of her life, so he should have to pay the rest of his life as well. Believe me, I understand all of the circumstances, and I absolutely understand the girl's side as well as her family's. However, I tend to fall under the side of, that's why there is a legal system, he needs to pay his dues, but once that has happened, he needs to be able to have a second chance to live his life under the legal system. The other part of this is the timing of the story. I really hope that it is just coincidence that this came out at the time it did. I really hope that there isn't some smear campaign, or "clickbait" motive here. If they truly just got all of the facts now, and the story just came to light for them now, then they have every right to report the story. However, it does seem shady and unfortunately we may never know the truth. Agreed. The 2nd part is where I get hung up I guess. What's the end game? Is it to let the world know that LH did something horrible and despicable when he was 15? Is it to bring about awareness and reform when it comes to the university admissions process and vetting by the athletic department? If that's the case, are we saying that SO's should not have the opportunity to go to school and to participate in athletics? Or is it because it's a juicy topic that's sure to bring about discussion, clicks, comments? There is no end game. They're not a social justice organization, they're a newspaper. It's an informative story about a person the public has interest in at this point in time. You can say it's not relevant, but then you'd have to say that about any story pertaining to any athlete about something that happened in their past, good or bad....and nobody seemed to have an issue with the article written about Tres Tinkle dealing with the death of a friend while in high school, or any other off the field issue a kid is dealing with.
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Post by bbfan on Jun 8, 2017 9:16:12 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised. If they don't, what will you do? Will they lose you as a 'fan'. Yes I will cancel all my season tickets in every sport etc.................is that what you want to hear?
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 8, 2017 9:20:04 GMT -8
Oregon State better release a statement today about the matter or this story will keep growing with more questions being raised. They don't explicitly say they already knew of Heimlich's status, but if they did, Marianne Vydra was the person notified. So the only issue I see moving forward is that, if he was a known offender to the university, did they allow him to participate in any baseball camps during his time here? If so, that's a major failure by OSU.....but if not, then there's really no action that needs to take place from here on out in my opinion. I can tell you that my 7-year-old son got autographs from all of the OSU draft eligible players after an ACU game EXCEPT for Luke. Don't know if typically interacts with kids, but he certainly did not on that day.
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Post by jdogge on Jun 8, 2017 9:23:42 GMT -8
I know he pleaded guilty and is a registered sex offender...good grief I cant believe you are defending this Were you there in court? Have you seen (1) the investigative report or (2) any trial transcript? An 18 year old man can have sex with a woman one day before her 18th birthday and end up a registered sex offender for it. So, unless you know some facts that we don't or believe completely what is printed in contemporary newspapers [Sorry, I don't], you are jumping to some very inappropriate conclusions.
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