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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 14, 2017 19:55:15 GMT -8
Stop worrying about it. There is no correlation between winning and losing and LOB. Hence the fact that we have a large LOB and are 29-2. The only thing I see is that we don't have a reliable homerun power, and I almost suspect that is intentional. What good is having a bunch of homerun hitters when the ballpark in Omaha takes the bat out of their hands? 'Team LOB positively correlates only very-weakly to the amount of runs a team scores, and not at all to winning or losing. However, based on this data, I feel safe in saying that team LOB has no correlation to whether a team wins or loses or how many runs it scores.' newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/01/by-the-numbers-leave-behind-the-left-on-base-lob-statistic/ |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 14, 2017 20:32:16 GMT -8
Just thought I would point out that the Beavers are ranked number 9 in the nation in scoring differential regardless of how many players they leave on base
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 14, 2017 20:56:48 GMT -8
Lol... stats and correlations!
I can guarantee PC cares and knows they mean something. He's mentioned it several times as it relates to getting key hits or putting the ball in play.
I'll also guarantee that leaving 12 on with 6 in scoring position matters when you lose by one.
Trying to correlate one specific stat to wins is like archaic race to intelligence. There are many factors that key a win.
You all ANY college coach about leaving runners... ok, out it this way, you stat guys who believe it matters go tell PC leaving 12 on Thursday night did not make a difference! Lol
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Post by eugenedave on Apr 15, 2017 0:30:29 GMT -8
I agree that LOB is by itself a pretty worthless statistic. RISP on the other hand has significance. In tight games, it can be a deal breaker.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 15, 2017 7:54:47 GMT -8
Lol, saying you lost a baseball game because of too many LOB is like saying you lost a football game because of too many first downs. You don't lose because you leave them on base, you lose because you don't score them. Is an inning where you leave 3 on base but score 5 runs really worse in your world then an inning with no LOB because you go down 1 2 3? LOB, the stat for natterring negabobs of negativism. Eeyore.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 15, 2017 8:44:03 GMT -8
Lol, saying you lost a baseball game because of too many LOB is like saying you lost a football game because of too many first downs. You don't lose because you leave them on base, you lose because you don't score them. Is an inning where you leave 3 on base but score 5 runs really worse in your world then an inning with no LOB because you go down 1 2 3? LOB, the stat for natterring negabobs of negativism. Eeyore. FIRST... no one said we lost "because of". They matter! Especially when in scoring position with less than 2 outs. Again, LOB MATTERS... leaving 12 scoring 2 is BAD. NOT some statistical analysis and dumb ass analogies with zero relevance. (By the way... as football coaches... 1st downs MATTER... either getting them or limiting them.). There are no stand alone statistics that mean anything... except Ws that are determined by the ONLY stat that matters RUNS SCORED. Real world, game by game situational baseball... you leave 12 score 2 and lose... it's an issue. Leave 12, score 5, and win less if an issue, but still discussed in terms of situational hitting and execution. But, then again what does PC and hundreds of other coaches know you don't! |
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Post by lefty on Apr 15, 2017 8:44:58 GMT -8
I go along with Eugene Dave that leaving runners in scoring position (RISP) is more important than (LOB), but it is part of the same stat. To me its leaving runners on 3rd with less than two outs which is a killer.
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 15, 2017 9:08:45 GMT -8
Lol, saying you lost a baseball game because of too many LOB is like saying you lost a football game because of too many first downs. You don't lose because you leave them on base, you lose because you don't score them. Is an inning where you leave 3 on base but score 5 runs really worse in your world then an inning with no LOB because you go down 1 2 3? LOB, the stat for natterring negabobs of negativism. Eeyore. FIRST... no one said we lost "because of". They matter! Especially when in scoring position with less than 2 outs. Again, LOB MATTERS... leaving 12 scoring 2 is BAD. NOT some statistical analysis and dumb ass analogies with zero relevance. (By the way... as football coaches... 1st downs MATTER... either getting them or limiting them.). There are no stand alone statistics that mean anything... except Ws that are determined by the ONLY stat that matters RUNS SCORED. Real world, game by game situational baseball... you leave 12 score 2 and lose... it's an issue. Leave 12, score 5, and win less if an issue, but still discussed in terms of situational hitting and execution. But, then again what does PC and hundreds of other coaches know you don't! Of course PC and hundreds of other coaches are discussing it with their players. But, as a fan, for me it's an ok problem to have. I'd rather see the team getting guys on base and getting the opportunity to get the RBI than not getting on base to begin with. The frustrating part of it for me is when they do get runners in scoring position with less than two outs and fail to score them, or even swing at the ball. |
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Post by epbeav on Apr 15, 2017 9:10:49 GMT -8
Another prospective... Mets lose to Marlins on April 7th, 7 - 2. Mets had 9 hits, 2 runs, 14 LOB. How many multi-million dollar salaried players failed to make the clutch hits? This is a universal problem. Has to do with good pitching, good fielding, round ball on a round bat, etc. Let's not throw our "elite" ballplayers under the bus just yet.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 15, 2017 9:52:31 GMT -8
In the end LOB is basically a personality test for the observer. Of course Eeyore sees it as a negative, but to me if you are getting lots of people on base, you are turning your lineup over, the more often your top hitters get up, the more runs you will score. Think of it this way, in a tight game do you feel better about an opponent that is leaving lots of guys on base, or do you think that just might bite you in the end as they keep turning their lineup over and having success getting on base?
Whether you view the LOB stat as negative or positive is moot. The stat is neutral and has no bearing on wins and losses.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 15, 2017 10:02:18 GMT -8
In the end LOB is basically a personality test for the observer. Of course Eeyore sees it as a negative, but to me if you are getting lots of people on base, you are turning your lineup over, the more often your top hitters get up, the more runs you will score. Think of it this way, in a tight game do you feel better about an opponent that is leaving lots of guys on base, or do you think that just might bite you in the end as they keep turning their lineup over and having success getting on base? Whether you view the LOB stat as negative or positive is moot. The stat is neutral and has no bearing on wins and losses. -turned line up over 4+ times... Scored 2... left 12 -can turn the line up over and not leave runners or leave less score more Nothing to do with "personality" or negativity. It's situational and looked at by ALL coaches "missed opportunities" which when you lose is a NEGATIVE. Direct causation? No. Bearing? Absolutely! Done... lol |
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Post by orangesocks on Apr 15, 2017 13:31:03 GMT -8
Taking advantage of opportunities is the best. Missed opportunities are a definite negative. But not having opportunities at all is the worst!
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 15, 2017 16:22:22 GMT -8
Taking advantage of opportunities is the best. Missed opportunities are a definite negative. But not having opportunities at all is the worst! Winning makes it all sweet. |
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Post by kersting13 on Apr 17, 2017 8:35:18 GMT -8
In the end LOB is basically a personality test for the observer. Of course Eeyore sees it as a negative, but to me if you are getting lots of people on base, you are turning your lineup over, the more often your top hitters get up, the more runs you will score. Think of it this way, in a tight game do you feel better about an opponent that is leaving lots of guys on base, or do you think that just might bite you in the end as they keep turning their lineup over and having success getting on base? Whether you view the LOB stat as negative or positive is moot. The stat is neutral and has no bearing on wins and losses. Just to back you up, this is a proven mathematical FACT. There is a HUGE amount of LUCK built into the game of baseball. There is no such thing as a "clutch" hitter. All you can do is try to hit the ball each time you're up. Sometimes you win a game by getting 5 hits and scoring 4 runs. Sometimes you lose a game when you get 14 hits and score 2 runs. Harping on the fact that you left 6 men in scoring position in scenario 2 isn't going to change the facts of baseball or the facts of math. Yes, it sucks to hit the crap out of the ball and have little to show for it at the end of the day. That typically gets balanced out by the other times where you are cold the entire game, and then string a few hits together to mount a rally and score all your runs. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 17, 2017 8:38:46 GMT -8
In the end LOB is basically a personality test for the observer. Of course Eeyore sees it as a negative, but to me if you are getting lots of people on base, you are turning your lineup over, the more often your top hitters get up, the more runs you will score. Think of it this way, in a tight game do you feel better about an opponent that is leaving lots of guys on base, or do you think that just might bite you in the end as they keep turning their lineup over and having success getting on base? Whether you view the LOB stat as negative or positive is moot. The stat is neutral and has no bearing on wins and losses. Just to back you up, this is a proven mathematical FACT. There is a HUGE amount of LUCK built into the game of baseball. There is no such thing as a "clutch" hitter. All you can do is try to hit the ball each time you're up. Sometimes you win a game by getting 5 hits and scoring 4 runs. Sometimes you lose a game when you get 14 hits and score 2 runs. Harping on the fact that you left 6 men in scoring position in scenario 2 isn't going to change the facts of baseball or the facts of math. Yes, it sucks to hit the crap out of the ball and have little to show for it at the end of the day. That typically gets balanced out by the other times where you are cold the entire game, and then string a few hits together to mount a rally and score all your runs. Watching Kwan hit it to the warning track with Meggs playing right behind 2nd base, now that was luck - his first extra base hit of the season and it comes at such a nice time. |
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