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Post by zzufrevaeb on Dec 10, 2015 14:19:54 GMT -8
Kansas should win by 10-15.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 10, 2015 17:03:33 GMT -8
Nowhere near? Our current RPI is #44. ESPN has us as a bubble team. Yeah, it's still early in the season, but every indication is that we are certainly *near* NCAA tournament level. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/204I haven't seen any posts on this board that have suggested anything more than 1) we're better and deeper this year and 2) we have a legit shot at the tournament and 3) we're going to have a lot of fun watching this team. Yep, we've fallen in love. But not with our "press clippings". We've fallen in love with the product we've seen on the court and the direction our coach is taking us. You have not read many posts then... and yippee... RPI is #44... we have not begun the portion that counts... and anyone who objectively watches us knows we're better, but also knows at this time we're not an NCAA tourney team. My take, that does not mean being just "lucky" to be picked at a #14 seed, but a team deserving of being there and can possibly win a game. Sorry, but one and done in NCAA just to say we were there/broke a streak would not be as valuable as 2-3 games in the NIT... again my opinion. Love Tinkle... like our improved talent... but there are 20-30 teams with better incoming classes that had much better returning players... let alone "smaller" schools with great returners and less heralded incoming classes. It takes more than one class to build a consistent tourney team/program. Sorry, realism is part of being a Beaver fan to me... this team just doesn't pass the "eye test" at this point. Can we beat Kansas... anything possible... but, a beat down due to running out of depth vs talent, inexperience, overall talent level is more likely. Our conference is way better than some gave us credit for early... experts and folks on this board. I don't the "top" is as good as some years, but the bottom is way stronger and overall we are very deep. Going 8-10 this year would be a bigger accomplishment than last year... IMHO. As usual, the # of teams a power conference gets in is often out of their hands. If a larger amount of automatic berths happen to go to upset winners it dilutes the opportunities for teams 5th/6th on down in many conferences. I don't see us getting 20 wins... just my take... and unless we get to the semis/finals of the Pac12 tourney less than 20 is not going to factor in to more than an NIT. Which hosting a couple of those games we can win would be a huge step forward. I like all of your points, but I will differ with your opinion that winning a few games in the NIT would be better than one and done in the NCAA tournament. Be curious to hear your explanation of that one, aside from maybe an extra week or so of practice. From a financial and exposure standpoint, making the NCAA tourney would seem to be preferable. I believe NCAA pays conferences out based on tournament games played, so us getting in would add more money to that pot.
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 10, 2015 17:46:42 GMT -8
baseba1111: To everyone but you, a "tournament team" means getting to the tournament. And I don't think you'll find a single expert in this country who doesn't think we have a legit shot. And I don't think you'll find a single person on this board who thinks we have a bid wrapped up.
And you would prefer the NIT? Really? Wow! Would you rather that our football team played in the 1-AA playoffs, too? I know our players would prefer to play the highest level of competition they can. No one in that position would give it a second thought.
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 10, 2015 21:47:05 GMT -8
I for one would take a one and done in the SHOW any day of the week. Seriously? NIT?? Fonzi just jumped the shark with that comment. I have a hard believing you can convince me otherwise, but go for it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 10, 2015 22:27:33 GMT -8
baseba1111: To everyone but you, a "tournament team" means getting to the tournament. And I don't think you'll find a single expert in this country who doesn't think we have a legit shot. And I don't think you'll find a single person on this board who thinks we have a bid wrapped up. And you would prefer the NIT? Really? Wow! Would you rather that our football team played in the 1-AA playoffs, too? I know our players would prefer to play the highest level of competition they can. No one in that position would give it a second thought. Wouldn't the correct analogy be any other bowl game besides the Rose Bowl? As far as $ goes OSU actually keeps more $ hosting a couple NIT games. The pay out for one and done barely covers expenses. Profit comes from OSU's share of the other teams in the tourney. As far as what a "tourney team" means I will not sound as foolish as some to say I know what everyone else including the experts know/say. But, it's funnyi watch quite a bit of taking heads every so often, and other than the Pac12 channel saying we are vastly improved in our depth/talent I've heard no other national how day one peep about OSU and the tourney?! So these must be print experts that are so high on us? So, just because it's been so long, and we've had our best recruiting class... and some ache for it to happen doesn't make it so. Other teams didn't just stand still. But, as I clearly stated, my opinion... oh ya, have to agree with yours and all the other "experts"... lol Do ALL the experts think we have a legit shot? REALLY? So voted sixth in a conference not getting a sixth team in is a legit shot? Lol... So was it those same experts that said we'd finish dead last this past hoops season? And to fill the bracket how many of the 320 or so have a shot? Wouldn't it be all of them at this point in time? My opinion has zero to do with $ or prestige. You don't get a lot of $ unless multiple teams go deeper into the tourney. Prestige doesn't come with one tourney appearance in 25 years. My opinion comes from what I see on the court... our team vs what I see from others around the nation and our conference. As of right now and acknowledging improvement, but so will other teams, we are a NIT level team. And, I see nothing wrong with gaining more tournament experience playing more tourney type games than maybe getting blown out in a 3 vs 14 matchup. With some of the logic on here I am wondering if there are OSAA execs posting. With the logic of just making the field I'm sure all the 30-50 point blow outs in the HS playoffs are cool cuz teams get to make the playoffs! PS- I'd love it if there was a playoff format like small colleges have.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 11, 2015 8:50:23 GMT -8
I'm going to qualify this by stating I don't know this for a fact, but I do believe you have to put in a bid to host in the NIT, and I don't believe an NIT game vs. Cal St. Fullerton or UTEP would draw particularly well. If they got matched up against an underachieving traditional power school like Georgetown or Indiana then maybe you'd draw enough people to make it profitable. I just don't see an NIT berth putting more money in the school's pockets regardless.
As for being a 14 seed, going back three years, I could find no major conference school seeded lower than 12th, and it appears that often a major conference 12 seed is matched up against a mid-major punching above its weight at the 5, and in every instance where that was the case, the 12 seed won. Being a Pac-12 school, if you're good enough to get in, you simply won't be lower than a 12, and historically 12s fare well in the NCAA. The only way that I see an NCAA berth ending up being a negative would be if OSU ended up in the First Four on Tuesday and got bounced before making it to the "real" first round. In that case I might be persuaded to agree with your "NIT run is better" argument, but only if the Beavs were able to make it to Madison Square Garden.
Also, enough with the lol's and acting shocked people don't like your comments. If you take a stance that you know is going to be unpopular, be prepared for people to attack it. I know full well when I post something criticizing Gary Andersen that I'm going to get some heat for it. Know your audience.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 11, 2015 10:32:41 GMT -8
I'm going to qualify this by stating I don't know this for a fact, but I do believe you have to put in a bid to host in the NIT, and I don't believe an NIT game vs. Cal St. Fullerton or UTEP would draw particularly well. If they got matched up against an underachieving traditional power school like Georgetown or Indiana then maybe you'd draw enough people to make it profitable. I just don't see an NIT berth putting more money in the school's pockets regardless. As for being a 14 seed, going back three years, I could find no major conference school seeded lower than 12th, and it appears that often a major conference 12 seed is matched up against a mid-major punching above its weight at the 5, and in every instance where that was the case, the 12 seed won. Being a Pac-12 school, if you're good enough to get in, you simply won't be lower than a 12, and historically 12s fare well in the NCAA. The only way that I see an NCAA berth ending up being a negative would be if OSU ended up in the First Four on Tuesday and got bounced before making it to the "real" first round. In that case I might be persuaded to agree with your "NIT run is better" argument, but only if the Beavs were able to make it to Madison Square Garden. Also, enough with the lol's and acting shocked people don't like your comments. If you take a stance that you know is going to be unpopular, be prepared for people to attack it. I know full well when I post something criticizing Gary Andersen that I'm going to get some heat for it. Know your audience. I am never shocked by what is posted on a message board. Neither am I offended... it's anonymous... and anyone with some semblance of intelligence can post online, so also never take it seriously or personal... even when someone tells what not to type... LOL AND... as I said... $$ have zero to do with my rationale. It's mentioned in passing. The NCAA "owns" the NIT and has run it since 2005 or so since losing a big anti-trust suit. The NIT may some day be "absorbed" to even further water down the field of "64"... who knows. Bottom line... I do not see this group as a NCAA caliber team the way teams are selected currently. Will they be better than some who end up selected... yep. But, who and how selections are made a 12 or 14 or ??) is not my point/opinion.
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zzufrevaeb
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Dec 11, 2015 14:36:41 GMT -8
I for one would take a one and done in the SHOW any day of the week. Seriously? NIT?? Fonzi just jumped the shark with that comment. I have a hard believing you can convince me otherwise, but go for it. Take an NCAA berth any day of the week over a home NIT game which doesn't make that much money for the team since OSU only gets the concessions and the venue rental fee...NCAA/NIT get the rest (including a lot of the parking money too).
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Post by beaverintheberg on Dec 11, 2015 20:36:29 GMT -8
Beavs lose by 18 to 20. If they stay within 10 count it as a big positive.
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