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Post by eugenedave on Feb 25, 2017 19:32:02 GMT -8
Without question, Rueck is one of the two best in the conference and should be the run away favorite for Coach of the Year in the conference this season. Scott applied for the job twice. We chose LaVonda Wagner over Rueck years before. Some folks just can't see winners - you know the people with the "it" factor and Bobby D couldn't see that Scott was a winner. Wagner ran the program into the ground, not because she was a bad coach, but because she was a bad person. The program was radioactive at this point and few candidates were interested. Scott applied again despite getting rebuffed the first time around, and DeCarolis had little choice but to offer the position to him. He had a stellar tenure at a lower level school, winning a NCAA Division III national championship. If you get a chance, take a look at his opening press conference video after his hire - it is amazing. He inherited a program that had one player that had ever played in a Division I basketball game, several soccer and volleyball players, and an assortment of tryout players. He won 9 games, including 2 wins over conference foes that season despite much worse circumstances than Tinkle faced this year. Given this huge hole, he's only had two losing seasons. I've said since the start of his tenure at OSU that Scott was building a national powerhouse at OSU, but that claim led to many fights on the old Pure Orange board. Again, some folks cannot pick out the winners in this world and Scott is as good as it gets. For the hand-wringers out there, Scott's first love is OSU and has two OSU degrees. His players at George Fox said he used to take over the radio in the van trips so that he could listen to OSU football games. Come out to the games, support the program, and he'll take us as far as OSU can go. Why go anywhere else where you have a chance to be the best right where you want to be. I didn't know Rueck was passed over for Wagner. Very interesting. Shame on Bobby D for not seeing his potential. Gill packed to the rafters for a women game? Crazy idea, if you had said that a few years ago. He has built a solid program and clearly was a great hire. I see him as I do Casey. He will never leave until he retires from the sport. |
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Post by beavdowg on Feb 25, 2017 20:39:34 GMT -8
Prof, I'm with you 100%. SR is an absolute coaching stud! I understand it's probably too early to say this but I believe he's a Hall of Fame coach in the making. How long did it take Tara to get Stanford to 3 straight Pac-10 titles? It took SR 7 years? I think he's in just his 7th year. I truly believe if we give him what he needs he can make OSU an absolute powerhouse program, nationally ELITE program. What's he going to be able to do with a team when his 11 deep bench is nothing but 4 and 5 star girls? I was at that game last night and I have NEVER, EVER been to a basketball game at Gill, mens or women, that was as packed as I saw last night. Granted I went to school at OSU in the early to mid 90's when we were still respectable, Brent Barry years, so I wasn't there when we had our best teams but I've been to many a mens game in through 4 games and it was never like last night. The upper corners at the very top of the stands were literally probably 4 people from being filled up, it was crazy! What a great atmosphere for that program and Beaver Nation! I hope SR had some recruits in last night because they won't see anything like that in just about any other women's program in the country not named UConn.
Go Beavs!
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2017 10:27:21 GMT -8
The ridiculous "blame" on this board abounds!
Effing BDC... how could you not see "potential". Come on man... hiring coaches is easy. Just be able to see the future and call it potential.
Geez what a jerk BDC. You don't hire an alum with great success at DII school over a HOF college athlete, with multiple degrees (including MA in Athletic Admin.), well respected assistant and rated a top level recruiter at three schhools... including Duke one of the top rated schools in women's hoops at that time!
Freaking BDC... where in the hell was your head...
LMAO... it's over... BDC long gone Lavonda ling gone... we're successful now. Does it make you feel better to say "I told you so" based on pure conjecture that happened to pan out?
Get over it...
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 26, 2017 17:02:21 GMT -8
My point stands. Some folks know a winner when they encounter one and some can't. BTW - Scott also has an MS degree and an excellent pedigree, but more importantly, has the "it" factor. A thorough interview process and background investigation would have revealed a toxic personality with one of the two candidates not named Scott. But why try arguing with a guy who claimed he coached against Pat Casey in high school when nearly everyone knew that Pat never coached in high school.
Where is LaVonda coaching now and did she win a championship this year? My former next door neighbor collected $1 million from OSU's athletic department so that we could be rid of her and then she left town. That does not include the money spent by OSU on attorneys and public relations.
Where is Bobby D serving as athletic director now? His contract with OSU was terminated for decisions that led to a huge financial hole in the athletic program, including the one listed above.
I don't come here very often and I respect what the Glove is trying to do on this board. Take your shots, I won't respond as it's just not important to me.
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 26, 2017 17:55:06 GMT -8
Sorry, Prof - I love ya, but you must have been the only person in the world who wasn't snowed by Lavonda. I'm not easily impressed, but I remember meeting her and being bowled over. All the reporting at the time was overwhelmingly positive. Lavonda's public face was dazzling.
I'm surprised by the venom for BDC. Lavonda was his only really bad hire. Robinson didn't work out - but most coaches don't, really. Six years is roughly the average tenure for a NCAA coach - so CR was right in the mediocre middle.
(That said, baseba1111 - tone it down, man. Did you want to make a point or just piss people off?)
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Post by ricke71 on Feb 26, 2017 19:02:21 GMT -8
Seems like it was quasi-fashionable a few weeks ago to question Rueck's recruiting prowess because he didn't land Ionescu. She went 10 for 32 this weekend, for a PAC-12 losing program - not to say that she isn't a very good player.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 27, 2017 1:04:41 GMT -8
My point stands. Some folks know a winner when they encounter one and some can't. BTW - Scott also has an MS degree and an excellent pedigree, but more importantly, has the "it" factor. A thorough interview process and background investigation would have revealed a toxic personality with one of the two candidates not named Scott. But why try arguing with a guy who claimed he coached against Pat Casey in high school when nearly everyone knew that Pat never coached in high school. Where is LaVonda coaching now and did she win a championship this year? My former next door neighbor collected $1 million from OSU's athletic department so that we could be rid of her and then she left town. That does not include the money spent by OSU on attorneys and public relations. Where is Bobby D serving as athletic director now? His contract with OSU was terminated for decisions that led to a huge financial hole in the athletic program, including the one listed above. I don't come here very often and I respect what the Glove is trying to do on this board. Take your shots, I won't respond as it's just not important to me. "Not important"... lol. Onion skin or not... what the hell does your 2nd paragraph have to do with anything? Your neighbor raising $? We know Lavonda is gone (she's in broadcasting by the way... where a lot if former and fired coaches end up). We know the school spent money to rid ourselves of her. But....what the hell... oh ya your not responding. Just the same, "nearly everyone" knows the "it factor" only happens after success. Because without W's in coaching no one's praising your "it factor"! There's no looking at a coach and knowing he's the guy, there are too many variables that defines a coach's path to success. But, again if you continually look at an obvious train wreck like Lavonda with 20/20 hindsight and couple that with Scott's success, then want to pretend you knew it all along... well pat yourself on the back. I'll let you play that game if your ego needs that much stroking. Hell, there were plenty of posters as arrogant in their 20/20 hindsight as you that wanted PC gone from '99-'04 when he couldn't finish higher than 6th and never had a winning league record... overall record was about 6 games over .500, Pac10 was 36 games UNDER. Then were singing his praises of "I told you he'd do it" in 2005. Guess PC had a delayed "it factor". I'm sorry you're such a hater, but BDC did plenty right for this university. The difference here is, it was so "unimportant" you had to try to personally attack me over something I already admitted. So "unimportant" that my post, not quoted by the way, struck a nerve that had to tended to. The difference here is you're wrong and can't admit it. Hiring anyone, let alone a coach, isn't about just recognizing some superfluous "it factor". It's a small portion, and without all the other facets of coaching falling in place, it doesn't matter. It's like those who thought Scott was a great hire because he'd emulate what happened with PC and the baseball program. Funny, but that correlation didn't really have basis before 2005 when suddenly Pat's "it factor" got some assistance from classes of quality recruits coming into their own. So... share with us some other future prognostications... Is Tinkle the guy? What about GA? Were they hired over another who had the "it factor"? If Scott doesn't win, let's say the Pac12 again, is his "it factor" gone/used up? Scott Barnes... so what's his "it factor" quotient? I mean he's done nothing so far, is that telling? But, we should be able to predict if he's the guy right?? Please share... prior to their careers ending. |
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 27, 2017 6:14:11 GMT -8
I don't get why the little "click" here feels the need to pile on together. Feels like the protesters. No room for discussion or alternative view. Be loud. Call out ohers for any rude behavior or "injustice" that is inflicted on them but use every same tactic themselves. Sign of the time I guess. Would be nice to be able to have intelligent dialogue. Not courtroom antics and town hall behavior. It shouldn't be a zero sum game on a discussion board.
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Post by codyd70 on Feb 27, 2017 6:18:37 GMT -8
My point stands. Some folks know a winner when they encounter one and some can't. BTW - Scott also has an MS degree and an excellent pedigree, but more importantly, has the "it" factor. A thorough interview process and background investigation would have revealed a toxic personality with one of the two candidates not named Scott. But why try arguing with a guy who claimed he coached against Pat Casey in high school when nearly everyone knew that Pat never coached in high school. Where is LaVonda coaching now and did she win a championship this year? My former next door neighbor collected $1 million from OSU's athletic department so that we could be rid of her and then she left town. That does not include the money spent by OSU on attorneys and public relations. Where is Bobby D serving as athletic director now? His contract with OSU was terminated for decisions that led to a huge financial hole in the athletic program, including the one listed above. I don't come here very often and I respect what the Glove is trying to do on this board. Take your shots, I won't respond as it's just not important to me. "Not important"... lol. Onion skin or not... what the hell does your 2nd paragraph have to do with anything? Your neighbor raising $? We know Lavonda is gone (she's in broadcasting by the way... where a lot if former and fired coaches end up). We know the school spent money to rid ourselves of her. But....what the hell... oh ya your not responding. Just the same, "nearly everyone" knows the "it factor" only happens after success. Because without W's in coaching no one's praising your "it factor"! There's no looking at a coach and knowing he's the guy, there are too many variables that defines a coach's path to success. But, again if you continually look at an obvious train wreck like Lavonda with 20/20 hindsight and couple that with Scott's success, then want to pretend you knew it all along... well pat yourself on the back. I'll let you play that game if your ego needs that much stroking. Hell, there were plenty of posters as arrogant in their 20/20 hindsight as you that wanted PC gone from '99-'04 when he couldn't finish higher than 6th and never had a winning league record... overall record was about 6 games over .500, Pac10 was 36 games UNDER. Then were singing his praises of "I told you he'd do it" in 2005. Guess PC had a delayed "it factor". I'm sorry you're such a hater, but BDC did plenty right for this university. The difference here is, it was so "unimportant" you had to try to personally attack me over something I already admitted. So "unimportant" that my post, not quoted by the way, struck a nerve that had to tended to. The difference here is you're wrong and can't admit it. Hiring anyone, let alone a coach, isn't about just recognizing some superfluous "it factor". It's a small portion, and without all the other facets of coaching falling in place, it doesn't matter. It's like those who thought Scott was a great hire because he'd emulate what happened with PC and the baseball program. Funny, but that correlation didn't really have basis before 2005 when suddenly Pat's "it factor" got some assistance from classes of quality recruits coming into their own. So... share with us some other future prognostications... Is Tinkle the guy? What about GA? Were they hired over another who had the "it factor"? If Scott doesn't win, let's say the Pac12 again, is his "it factor" gone/used up? Scott Barnes... so what's his "it factor" quotient? I mean he's done nothing so far, is that telling? But, we should be able to predict if he's the guy right?? Please share... prior to their careers ending. Yet you are the one that always needs to complain about the play of a team that has the 4th best record in the country and just won the toughest RPI conference. But somehow their play still isnt good enough to not complain about yet can defend lavonda and BDC?!?!?!?! |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 27, 2017 6:59:17 GMT -8
Sorry, Beavs6. It's the OSU version of Godwin's Law . . . all threads devolve to Lavonda Wagner. Imagine how bad this board would be if we had lost this weekend.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 27, 2017 8:51:24 GMT -8
Sorry, Prof - I love ya, but you must have been the only person in the world who wasn't snowed by Lavonda. I'm not easily impressed, but I remember meeting her and being bowled over. All the reporting at the time was overwhelmingly positive. Lavonda's public face was dazzling. I'm surprised by the venom for BDC. Lavonda was his only really bad hire. Robinson didn't work out - but most coaches don't, really. Six years is roughly the average tenure for a NCAA coach - so CR was right in the mediocre middle. (That said, baseba1111 - tone it down, man. Did you want to make a point or just piss people off?) The initial post was meant, and lost in this mode of communication, as sarcasm with a touch of "get over it, it's long since passed", mixed with frustration. It just gets tiresome of the consistent "blame" and obvious bias by some against men who've helped make OSU a better place. It seems in their eyes tearing down the past serves to make their point about the present instead of standing on its own merits. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 27, 2017 9:00:15 GMT -8
"Not important"... lol. Onion skin or not... what the hell does your 2nd paragraph have to do with anything? Your neighbor raising $? We know Lavonda is gone (she's in broadcasting by the way... where a lot if former and fired coaches end up). We know the school spent money to rid ourselves of her. But....what the hell... oh ya your not responding. Just the same, "nearly everyone" knows the "it factor" only happens after success. Because without W's in coaching no one's praising your "it factor"! There's no looking at a coach and knowing he's the guy, there are too many variables that defines a coach's path to success. But, again if you continually look at an obvious train wreck like Lavonda with 20/20 hindsight and couple that with Scott's success, then want to pretend you knew it all along... well pat yourself on the back. I'll let you play that game if your ego needs that much stroking. Hell, there were plenty of posters as arrogant in their 20/20 hindsight as you that wanted PC gone from '99-'04 when he couldn't finish higher than 6th and never had a winning league record... overall record was about 6 games over .500, Pac10 was 36 games UNDER. Then were singing his praises of "I told you he'd do it" in 2005. Guess PC had a delayed "it factor". I'm sorry you're such a hater, but BDC did plenty right for this university. The difference here is, it was so "unimportant" you had to try to personally attack me over something I already admitted. So "unimportant" that my post, not quoted by the way, struck a nerve that had to tended to. The difference here is you're wrong and can't admit it. Hiring anyone, let alone a coach, isn't about just recognizing some superfluous "it factor". It's a small portion, and without all the other facets of coaching falling in place, it doesn't matter. It's like those who thought Scott was a great hire because he'd emulate what happened with PC and the baseball program. Funny, but that correlation didn't really have basis before 2005 when suddenly Pat's "it factor" got some assistance from classes of quality recruits coming into their own. So... share with us some other future prognostications... Is Tinkle the guy? What about GA? Were they hired over another who had the "it factor"? If Scott doesn't win, let's say the Pac12 again, is his "it factor" gone/used up? Scott Barnes... so what's his "it factor" quotient? I mean he's done nothing so far, is that telling? But, we should be able to predict if he's the guy right?? Please share... prior to their careers ending. Yet you are the one that always needs to complain about the play of a team that has the 4th best record in the country and just won the toughest RPI conference. But somehow their play still isnt good enough to not complain about yet can defend lavonda and BDC?!?!?!?! Cody... you're a little clueless... -Always complain about WBB? I did not think, nor did anyone else see this coming. We turn it over too much for a team that is not up tempo. And rely on the "3" too much at times. Best read closer... or get your posters straight, as my concerns are those echoed many that want this team to repeat lasts years run now that we've come this far. -defend? Never said a word about Lavonda herself other than the obvious background info that made her a reasonable hire. What's not to defend on BDC. Every AD makes mistakes and has inherent strengths and weaknesses. He had way more successes here than failures. |
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Post by blackbug on Feb 27, 2017 22:14:37 GMT -8
My point stands. Some folks know a winner when they encounter one and some can't. BTW - Scott also has an MS degree and an excellent pedigree, but more importantly, has the "it" factor. A thorough interview process and background investigation would have revealed a toxic personality with one of the two candidates not named Scott. But why try arguing with a guy who claimed he coached against Pat Casey in high school when nearly everyone knew that Pat never coached in high school. Where is LaVonda coaching now and did she win a championship this year? My former next door neighbor collected $1 million from OSU's athletic department so that we could be rid of her and then she left town. That does not include the money spent by OSU on attorneys and public relations. Where is Bobby D serving as athletic director now? His contract with OSU was terminated for decisions that led to a huge financial hole in the athletic program, including the one listed above. I don't come here very often and I respect what the Glove is trying to do on this board. Take your shots, I won't respond as it's just not important to me. I for one appreciate your information, intelligence and insight. I hope that you get opportunities and desire to post here in the future. I haven't always agreed with everything you say, but that matters very little to me and I am sure it matters none to you  . Thanks for all the information. |
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 28, 2017 8:22:05 GMT -8
If I'm not mistaken, OSUprof was a big Dan Hawkins proponent after DE left in 2003. Because he had ... you know ... the "it" factor.  Dan Hawkins had the "it' factor alright, and together with "sh" it spelled sh*t. Heck, baseba1111 and I are like oil and water, but he'd never stoop so low as to say that I've ever had a good word to say about Dan Hawkins.  That's just low class! |
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Post by jefframp on Mar 2, 2017 9:36:26 GMT -8
I'm just glad no one ever asks my opinion of who to hire because I liked the Lavonda hire at the time and I liked Dan Hawkins a lot when he guided my home town Willamette University team to the championship game which was played in Portland way back when.
If I ever endorse anyone for a coach run like heck from that choice.......please! LOL
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