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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 24, 2017 11:25:39 GMT -8
WT plays Dahlen and Sanders for the same reason he plays Drew Eubanks . . . they give the best chance to win. Matt and Tanner are clearly overmatched physically, but they have had more time in the system understand the offense and defense better than the other kids. So even if their stats are lousy, at least they don't gum up the works. Daine is certainly a better shooter and athlete than Tanner, but he missed a lot of games and practices and right now all he knows how to do is run back and forth between the corners. Ben is obviously in a different league, physically, than Matt, but he is way behind Matt mentally. As he has progressed in those aspects, he's seeing the floor and Matt is sitting on the bench. And Sanders and Stacy don't give us "zero". That's just drunk-and-stupid talk. You can't ride your starters for 40 minutes and expect to win. Sanders and Dahlen are particularly important because of their experience - having older players with experience in the system is crucial for the development of the freshmen. WT has said a lot about Matt in particular on that score. Drunk-and-stupid talk? I should have the market on that, but I agree with you. In another year several, possibly all, of our walkons won't even see the floor, assuming everyone stays healthy. Right now they do play a part, and as our current sophomores, freshmen and incoming freshmen develop, and a player or two return, they will likely be rendered essentially obsolete. For now we need them.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 24, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -8
I know no one gives a damn, but I hate when grown men (I'm assuming) are hyper-critical of these young men. Tink is a grown up. The criticism should be leveled at him. We lack talent. If those kids weren't putting forth effort, that would be a different animal, no?
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 24, 2017 17:10:55 GMT -8
Amen.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 24, 2017 17:42:36 GMT -8
WT plays Dahlen and Sanders for the same reason he plays Drew Eubanks . . . they give the best chance to win. Matt and Tanner are clearly overmatched physically, but they have had more time in the system understand the offense and defense better than the other kids. So even if their stats are lousy, at least they don't gum up the works. Daine is certainly a better shooter and athlete than Tanner, but he missed a lot of games and practices and right now all he knows how to do is run back and forth between the corners. Ben is obviously in a different league, physically, than Matt, but he is way behind Matt mentally. As he has progressed in those aspects, he's seeing the floor and Matt is sitting on the bench. And Sanders and Stacy don't give us "zero". That's just drunk-and-stupid talk. You can't ride your starters for 40 minutes and expect to win. Sanders and Dahlen are particularly important because of their experience - having older players with experience in the system is crucial for the development of the freshmen. WT has said a lot about Matt in particular on that score. They don't give us a better chance to win!!! That is just dumb "drunk-and-stupid talk"... they are not D1 hoops players period. The point being they are on the roster and playing for depth purposes because WT did not recruit/do his HW on recruits. I'm not a fire WT guy... but, this is HIS team... the shortcomings are his and his alone. Injuries and defections happen, but most teams coming off two successful seasons and a NCAA berth have 15 quality bodies, 13 schollie players, and 7-8 D1 "solids" to "good/very good". So, as much as everyone wants to give WT a pass for a fun first two seasons/NCAA berth and the injury bug you must also hold his feet to the fire for having recruited Dew, Stacey, N'Diaye (again was never going to be a factor... had never shown any sign of it other than tiny glimpses so saying he would have done more is the biggest of stretches) with a recovering Kone'. Then add a roster that also has to have Sanders, Dahlen, Muller, Russell (you ask who???) to get to only 14 bodies... before Tres was hurt. That is not the fate of athletics... it's poor recruiting/planning... period. And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 24, 2017 18:37:33 GMT -8
WT plays Dahlen and Sanders for the same reason he plays Drew Eubanks . . . they give the best chance to win. Matt and Tanner are clearly overmatched physically, but they have had more time in the system understand the offense and defense better than the other kids. So even if their stats are lousy, at least they don't gum up the works. Daine is certainly a better shooter and athlete than Tanner, but he missed a lot of games and practices and right now all he knows how to do is run back and forth between the corners. Ben is obviously in a different league, physically, than Matt, but he is way behind Matt mentally. As he has progressed in those aspects, he's seeing the floor and Matt is sitting on the bench. And Sanders and Stacy don't give us "zero". That's just drunk-and-stupid talk. You can't ride your starters for 40 minutes and expect to win. Sanders and Dahlen are particularly important because of their experience - having older players with experience in the system is crucial for the development of the freshmen. WT has said a lot about Matt in particular on that score. They don't give us a better chance to win!!! That is just dumb "drunk-and-stupid talk"... they are not D1 hoops players period. The point being they are on the roster and playing for depth purposes because WT did not recruit/do his HW on recruits. I'm not a fire WT guy... but, this is HIS team... the shortcomings are his and his alone. Injuries and defections happen, but most teams coming off two successful seasons and a NCAA berth have 15 quality bodies, 13 schollie players, and 7-8 D1 "solids" to "good/very good". So, as much as everyone wants to give WT a pass for a fun first two seasons/NCAA berth and the injury bug you must also hold his feet to the fire for having recruited Dew, Stacey, N'Diaye (again was never going to be a factor... had never shown any sign of it other than tiny glimpses so saying he would have done more is the biggest of stretches) with a recovering Kone'. Then add a roster that also has to have Sanders, Dahlen, Muller, Russell (you ask who???) to get to only 14 bodies... before Tres was hurt. That is not the fate of athletics... it's poor recruiting/planning... period. And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid! How can you blame Tinkle for N'Diaye? He didn't recruit him, are you blaming him for not developing him? Reminder... Tinkle has only recruited 2 classes so far. The roster holes were recruited by his predecessor. You do have a valid point about Dew, and Stacy may likely never pan out. They were recruited scholarship players. There's a bunch of walkons you have mentioned, what's a coach supposed to do when they lose out on recruited players, bring on more Dew type of scholarship players just to fill the roster? Just curious. I suspect by next season few, if any, of the walkons will even see the floor.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 24, 2017 18:50:11 GMT -8
They don't give us a better chance to win!!! That is just dumb "drunk-and-stupid talk"... they are not D1 hoops players period. The point being they are on the roster and playing for depth purposes because WT did not recruit/do his HW on recruits. I'm not a fire WT guy... but, this is HIS team... the shortcomings are his and his alone. Injuries and defections happen, but most teams coming off two successful seasons and a NCAA berth have 15 quality bodies, 13 schollie players, and 7-8 D1 "solids" to "good/very good". So, as much as everyone wants to give WT a pass for a fun first two seasons/NCAA berth and the injury bug you must also hold his feet to the fire for having recruited Dew, Stacey, N'Diaye (again was never going to be a factor... had never shown any sign of it other than tiny glimpses so saying he would have done more is the biggest of stretches) with a recovering Kone'. Then add a roster that also has to have Sanders, Dahlen, Muller, Russell (you ask who???) to get to only 14 bodies... before Tres was hurt. That is not the fate of athletics... it's poor recruiting/planning... period. And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid! How can you blame Tinkle for N'Diaye? He didn't recruit him, are you blaming him for not developing him? Reminder... Tinkle has only recruited 2 classes so far. The roster holes were recruited by his predecessor. You do have a valid point about Dew, and Stacy may likely never pan out. They were recruited scholarship players. There's a bunch of walkons you have mentioned, what's a coach supposed to do when they lose out on recruited players, bring on more Dew type of scholarship players just to fill the roster? Just curious. I suspect by next season few, if any, of the walkons will even see the floor. "Blame" is a waste of time... it is constant on here that WT gets a pass for the tourney berth, ok. But, my point is he knew the capabilities and injury history of CN (already graduated) and did nothing to find any other big... lost out on Rawson, but never really saw much other efforts other than "smalls". Big G wallowed on the bench much of year 1. So a wasted development period. After 18 or so games he seems to have come alive. That process seemingly could/should have been sped up... especially over playing N'Diaye... or counting on him this year. WT knew the "holes" and grad dates as soon as he took over. Other than coaches kids what would you rate his recruiting so far? He was never tied to keeping any one from the previous staff. Yet he gets the "Montana M&M's" in Muller and Manuel. Not even Coach K (insert any great college coach you'd like) can make this roster a tourney team next year with these returners and what is recruited so far.
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Post by usmc1958 on Feb 25, 2017 16:55:21 GMT -8
WT plays Dahlen and Sanders for the same reason he plays Drew Eubanks . . . they give the best chance to win. Matt and Tanner are clearly overmatched physically, but they have had more time in the system understand the offense and defense better than the other kids. So even if their stats are lousy, at least they don't gum up the works. Daine is certainly a better shooter and athlete than Tanner, but he missed a lot of games and practices and right now all he knows how to do is run back and forth between the corners. Ben is obviously in a different league, physically, than Matt, but he is way behind Matt mentally. As he has progressed in those aspects, he's seeing the floor and Matt is sitting on the bench. And Sanders and Stacy don't give us "zero". That's just drunk-and-stupid talk. You can't ride your starters for 40 minutes and expect to win. Sanders and Dahlen are particularly important because of their experience - having older players with experience in the system is crucial for the development of the freshmen. WT has said a lot about Matt in particular on that score. They don't give us a better chance to win!!! That is just dumb "drunk-and-stupid talk"... they are not D1 hoops players period. The point being they are on the roster and playing for depth purposes because WT did not recruit/do his HW on recruits. I'm not a fire WT guy... but, this is HIS team... the shortcomings are his and his alone. Injuries and defections happen, but most teams coming off two successful seasons and a NCAA berth have 15 quality bodies, 13 schollie players, and 7-8 D1 "solids" to "good/very good". So, as much as everyone wants to give WT a pass for a fun first two seasons/NCAA berth and the injury bug you must also hold his feet to the fire for having recruited Dew, Stacey, N'Diaye (again was never going to be a factor... had never shown any sign of it other than tiny glimpses so saying he would have done more is the biggest of stretches) with a recovering Kone'. Then add a roster that also has to have Sanders, Dahlen, Muller, Russell (you ask who???) to get to only 14 bodies... before Tres was hurt. That is not the fate of athletics... it's poor recruiting/planning... period. And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid! And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid!
You obviously do not have an X Wife.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 25, 2017 18:19:23 GMT -8
My gosh lol. To the ones being a little sensitive about my 'sanders and Stacy giving them nothing that game' comment...I meant statistically they had zero's across the board. Except for stacy's 3 turnovers in 6 minutes. It wasn't about them personally.
If the guys who took such issue with that statement would like to offer a basketball analysis rebuttal for their game, instead of a lame personal attack, be my guest.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 25, 2017 20:06:40 GMT -8
My gosh lol. To the ones being a little sensitive about my 'sanders and Stacy giving them nothing that game' comment...I meant statistically they had zero's across the board. Except for stacy's 3 turnovers in 6 minutes. It wasn't about them personally. If the guys who took such issue with that statement would like to offer a basketball analysis rebuttal for their game, instead of a lame personal attack, be my guest. Back in the day when I'd have games like that I always tried to pick up a few fouls just to get on the stat sheet!😎
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 25, 2017 21:36:07 GMT -8
As did I lol
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2017 21:56:15 GMT -8
They don't give us a better chance to win!!! That is just dumb "drunk-and-stupid talk"... they are not D1 hoops players period. The point being they are on the roster and playing for depth purposes because WT did not recruit/do his HW on recruits. I'm not a fire WT guy... but, this is HIS team... the shortcomings are his and his alone. Injuries and defections happen, but most teams coming off two successful seasons and a NCAA berth have 15 quality bodies, 13 schollie players, and 7-8 D1 "solids" to "good/very good". So, as much as everyone wants to give WT a pass for a fun first two seasons/NCAA berth and the injury bug you must also hold his feet to the fire for having recruited Dew, Stacey, N'Diaye (again was never going to be a factor... had never shown any sign of it other than tiny glimpses so saying he would have done more is the biggest of stretches) with a recovering Kone'. Then add a roster that also has to have Sanders, Dahlen, Muller, Russell (you ask who???) to get to only 14 bodies... before Tres was hurt. That is not the fate of athletics... it's poor recruiting/planning... period. And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid! And, not one drink yet today... and no one I know considers me stupid!
You obviously do not have an X Wife. Ohhhh yes I do... after 28+ years... "A-Hole" yes... "stupid" no... she wouldn't want to fish in those waters!
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Post by blackbug on Feb 26, 2017 0:12:30 GMT -8
I think we are missing the biggest point in what caused this year. Robinson's last recruiting class was 4 players and only 1 played here ( Gary Payton II). Tinkle inherited this class and was not able to keep Cameron Oliver although he tried as far as I can tell, Isaiah Manderson, I believe would have been gone with Tinkle or Robinson as coach as I do not think he qualified academically. Chai Baker was the other who was lost unfortunately due to medical reasons. Those 3 coming in as freshman would have been a big part of the leadership on this team this year as juniors. Not getting these players and the inability to replace them created a huge void of leadership and talent on this team. This team does not have a legitimate contributor that is a junior. In a program like ours I don't think you can have a successful team that does not have quality upperclassmen leadership and players that have been developed in the system for more than 2 years as a junior core. Our current juniors are a walkon, who has been with the team on and off and 2 transfers.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2017 9:56:13 GMT -8
This team's performance has zero zip zilch nada to do with Robinson!!
Pass because we broke tourney streak. Pass cuz Robinson's last class sucked. Really? Is CR also coaching up the tenacious D, the incredible ball movement and solid screens on offense, the tough mindedness and vocal leadership???
Wayne's had plenty of time to fill the roster. He's missed (on signing and in evaluation) more than he's hit, especially if you consider the sons were going to play for their Dads. Dew, Stacey, Bruce are three keys in one year!
Our future top 100 is a commit not a signee... and he's ONE kid not yet in the fold so not part of the data set. And, really scary for all those who consider the "dance" a pass, obviously not that big of deal in helping WT recruit... added no one because of it!
Good news is son #3 is the best of the three in projecting success. He's a better player on the offensive end handling the ball and consistent shooter... he's also a very good defender. From watching him plus the TV commentator's comments on him he might be our best defender right now.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2017 10:08:57 GMT -8
I think we are missing the biggest point in what caused this year. Robinson's last recruiting class was 4 players and only 1 played here ( Gary Payton II). Tinkle inherited this class and was not able to keep Cameron Oliver although he tried as far as I can tell, Isaiah Manderson, I believe would have been gone with Tinkle or Robinson as coach as I do not think he qualified academically. Chai Baker was the other who was lost unfortunately due to medical reasons. Those 3 coming in as freshman would have been a big part of the leadership on this team this year as juniors. Not getting these players and the inability to replace them created a huge void of leadership and talent on this team. This team does not have a legitimate contributor that is a junior. In a program like ours I don't think you can have a successful team that does not have quality upperclassmen leadership and players that have been developed in the system for more than 2 years as a junior core. Our current juniors are a walkon, who has been with the team on and off and 2 transfers. None of Robinson's last two classes gave us significant minutes this year. I still hold out hope that Malcolm will come back next season. He was solid. Assuming everyone gets and stays healthy the next two years this team will be a much better team, and I'm talking about the existing guys and signed recruits. I'm still hoping for Malcolm and some more recruits.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 11:45:33 GMT -8
I think we are missing the biggest point in what caused this year. Robinson's last recruiting class was 4 players and only 1 played here ( Gary Payton II). Tinkle inherited this class and was not able to keep Cameron Oliver although he tried as far as I can tell, Isaiah Manderson, I believe would have been gone with Tinkle or Robinson as coach as I do not think he qualified academically. Chai Baker was the other who was lost unfortunately due to medical reasons. Those 3 coming in as freshman would have been a big part of the leadership on this team this year as juniors. Not getting these players and the inability to replace them created a huge void of leadership and talent on this team. This team does not have a legitimate contributor that is a junior. In a program like ours I don't think you can have a successful team that does not have quality upperclassmen leadership and players that have been developed in the system for more than 2 years as a junior core. Our current juniors are a walkon, who has been with the team on and off and 2 transfers. Cameron Oliver would have made a huge difference on this team. 15.4 ppg and 8.3 rpg as a starting member of Nevada's frontcourt would be an amazing addition to this team.
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