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Post by beavs6 on Feb 17, 2017 3:17:31 GMT -8
This season is almost over...
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Post by bill82 on Feb 17, 2017 3:28:41 GMT -8
They beat the spread (10.5).
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 17, 2017 9:17:46 GMT -8
I think that we could play Jay John's o-fer in conference team fairly close.... at least for a half!
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 17, 2017 9:32:11 GMT -8
Jay John level of incompetence JJ never this "supposed" level of recruits! (Note: This is not negative toward the current OSU team, just toward JJ.) True about the supposed ratings of the current team, but I was running through some of the kids that JJ had on his rosters: Brian Jackson, DeWitz, Cuic, Hurd, CJ Giles, Ricci. All of them were better players than anyone that Tinkle has had, other than GP2 (who had zero attention before coming to OSU and electrifying the PAC for 2 years). Ricci, Jackson and Giles were rated higher than any of our kids coming out of high school, and they were all "bigs". DeWitz and Cuic were talented (if streaky) college players as well, and had NBA people's attention before their own weird work ethics sabotaged any hope that had of getting there. JJ, the supposed "big man whisperer" on Lute's staff, had more post talent than anyone but Arizona during his run, but thoroughly wasted it!
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 17, 2017 9:44:14 GMT -8
JJ never this "supposed" level of recruits! (Note: This is not negative toward the current OSU team, just toward JJ.) True about the supposed ratings of the current team, but I was running through some of the kids that JJ had on his rosters: Brian Jackson, DeWitz, Cuic, Hurd, CJ Giles, Ricci. All of them were better players than anyone that Tinkle has had, other than GP2 (who had zero attention before coming to OSU and electrifying the PAC for 2 years). Ricci, Jackson and Giles were rated higher than any of our kids coming out of high school, and they were all "bigs". DeWitz and Cuic were talented (if streaky) college players as well, and had NBA people's attention before their own weird work ethics sabotaged any hope that had of getting there. JJ, the supposed "big man whisperer" on Lute's staff, had more post talent than anyone but Arizona during his run, but thoroughly wasted it! Then that goes to what point... JJ was a better recruiter? Especially of the JC variety? As HS ratings really don't equate when the player... Ricci, DeWitz, Cuic, Giles (he played how many games as a Beaver? 10)... initially went elsewhere. They were JCs. Only Jackson was a highly rated HS player directly to OSU. Hurd wasn't a real factor until his later years and still could rarely hit the ocean from a boat. As posted here too many times... Tinkle had the best recruiting class in OSU "history" (I beg to differ... I'd take AC and some "throw in" types) JJ never close.
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 17, 2017 11:24:19 GMT -8
(Note: This is not negative toward the current OSU team, just toward JJ.) True about the supposed ratings of the current team, but I was running through some of the kids that JJ had on his rosters: Brian Jackson, DeWitz, Cuic, Hurd, CJ Giles, Ricci. All of them were better players than anyone that Tinkle has had, other than GP2 (who had zero attention before coming to OSU and electrifying the PAC for 2 years). Ricci, Jackson and Giles were rated higher than any of our kids coming out of high school, and they were all "bigs". DeWitz and Cuic were talented (if streaky) college players as well, and had NBA people's attention before their own weird work ethics sabotaged any hope that had of getting there. JJ, the supposed "big man whisperer" on Lute's staff, had more post talent than anyone but Arizona during his run, but thoroughly wasted it! Then that goes to what point... JJ was a better recruiter? Especially of the JC variety? As HS ratings really don't equate when the player... Ricci, DeWitz, Cuic, Giles (he played how many games as a Beaver? 10)... initially went elsewhere. They were JCs. Only Jackson was a highly rated HS player directly to OSU. Hurd wasn't a real factor until his later years and still could rarely hit the ocean from a boat. As posted here too many times... Tinkle had the best recruiting class in OSU "history" (I beg to differ... I'd take AC and some "throw in" types) JJ never close. My point is JJ was a dumpster fire. Tinkle is not. I knew several players on JJs teams, and they'd make your skin crawl. I also was connected with a number of Portland area high school coaches who said that they wouldn't encourage a player to play for the guy if his was the only D1 Were you trying to suggest that 1) Tinkle is doing less with more, or 2)
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 17, 2017 11:36:40 GMT -8
Then that goes to what point... JJ was a better recruiter? Especially of the JC variety? As HS ratings really don't equate when the player... Ricci, DeWitz, Cuic, Giles (he played how many games as a Beaver? 10)... initially went elsewhere. They were JCs. Only Jackson was a highly rated HS player directly to OSU. Hurd wasn't a real factor until his later years and still could rarely hit the ocean from a boat. As posted here too many times... Tinkle had the best recruiting class in OSU "history" (I beg to differ... I'd take AC and some "throw in" types) JJ never close. My point is JJ was a dumpster fire. Tinkle is not. I knew several players on JJs teams, and they'd make your skin crawl. I also was connected with a number of Portland area high school coaches who said that they wouldn't encourage a player to play for the guy if his was the only D1 Were you trying to suggest that 1) Tinkle is doing less with more, or 2) Oops...inadvertently hit the post button. Anyway, local coaches and JJ's own players couldn't stand him! Coaches thought he was a joke. The #2 possibility that I read into your post was that maybe the current players were overrated, leading to 3) Tinkle might not be as good of a recruiter as some people think. I don't really care what your point was. My point is that I'd rather have Tinkle as the coach any day of the week. He hasn't unlearned the game, after doing a nice job of coaching with limited talent the previous couple of years. Tres can't stay healthy, Kone is a tragic story, Duvivier and Bruce are a mystery and Stevie has not matured like he should have. He's not a lead guard, and having to play the lead, IMO, has destroyed his shot and his confidence. Jaquori is a nice player, but he should have been able to ease in. Drew is still raw, but continues to show some flashes, and Big G might be a formidable bog in a year or two. This team has experienced the perfect storm after losing an amazing lead-by-example star in GP2. Dew didn't pan out between the ears, and the combination of injuries, youth and no point guard has resulted in a disaster (and I mean that in the most positive sense, of course)
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 17, 2017 11:44:43 GMT -8
(Note: This is not negative toward the current OSU team, just toward JJ.) True about the supposed ratings of the current team, but I was running through some of the kids that JJ had on his rosters: Brian Jackson, DeWitz, Cuic, Hurd, CJ Giles, Ricci. All of them were better players than anyone that Tinkle has had, other than GP2 (who had zero attention before coming to OSU and electrifying the PAC for 2 years). Ricci, Jackson and Giles were rated higher than any of our kids coming out of high school, and they were all "bigs". DeWitz and Cuic were talented (if streaky) college players as well, and had NBA people's attention before their own weird work ethics sabotaged any hope that had of getting there. JJ, the supposed "big man whisperer" on Lute's staff, had more post talent than anyone but Arizona during his run, but thoroughly wasted it! Then that goes to what point... JJ was a better recruiter? Especially of the JC variety? As HS ratings really don't equate when the player... Ricci, DeWitz, Cuic, Giles (he played how many games as a Beaver? 10)... initially went elsewhere. They were JCs. Only Jackson was a highly rated HS player directly to OSU. Hurd wasn't a real factor until his later years and still could rarely hit the ocean from a boat. As posted here too many times... Tinkle had the best recruiting class in OSU "history" (I beg to differ... I'd take AC and some "throw in" types) JJ never close. And to your point about Hurd, the kid was a lockdown defender from day 1, and had 32 assists in one high school game. GP2 was a pretty weak perimeter shooter, but the thing they had in common was really nice athleticism (GP2 freakish, Hurd not far behind). They were both leaders by example and played both ends like their hair was on fire. The difference was that GP2 arrived here as a mature junior, and Hurd came in as a green freshman. By his junior year, he was a difference maker, although his assists weren't what they could have been because his teammates were often out to lunch
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 17, 2017 11:48:01 GMT -8
Then that goes to what point... JJ was a better recruiter? Especially of the JC variety? As HS ratings really don't equate when the player... Ricci, DeWitz, Cuic, Giles (he played how many games as a Beaver? 10)... initially went elsewhere. They were JCs. Only Jackson was a highly rated HS player directly to OSU. Hurd wasn't a real factor until his later years and still could rarely hit the ocean from a boat. As posted here too many times... Tinkle had the best recruiting class in OSU "history" (I beg to differ... I'd take AC and some "throw in" types) JJ never close. My point is JJ was a dumpster fire. Tinkle is not. I knew several players on JJs teams, and they'd make your skin crawl. I also was connected with a number of Portland area high school coaches who said that they wouldn't encourage a player to play for the guy if his was the only D1 Were you trying to suggest that 1) Tinkle is doing less with more, or 2) And my point was never I would rather have JJ! To be honest at the time I was embarrassed Tinkle was the best hire out there for a once illustrious program. That said, that is where the program was. I've never been sold WT can coach. His Montana teams were star driven and in a fairly weak conference. Getting 20+ wins was not that difficult if you got a couple P5 types to land in a UM uniform. I'm not a "fire WT" guy... but his best two players/recruits are coach's kids. Drew was not a D1 player and would have benefited a RS year IF we had any semblance of a front court or actually 'won" on ANY of the JC's that opted elsewhere. JM may turn out ok, as will Kone'... I think? Big G I thought was handled improperly and his development stunted. I hold the same for Bruce. Top that off with JC busts of Dew and Stacey (Although I like his attitude and athleticism at times) it has not been an optimistic run. GPII is the only reason we went dancing. He was not a WT recruit. Without the "dance" (and I will not even go into the whole "we made the field of 68" mentality that some equate as successful program) invite this is JJ with less (as you pointed out above) recruiting success. This just didn't happen because of injury and MD leaving... this was going to be a 8-10 win team period with no real help in sight unless a big or two is found that can play NOW. It's a fairly easy "eye test"... Colorado had talent and athleticism at every position heads and shoulders above what we have. They don;t play particular good basketball at times, but still are a 16 win team. I could care less the scores... we are the 12th best team in the Pac 12 talent wise and by a large margin. PS- JJ was "officially" 6-12... he never had an 0-18 team. Mouton went 0-13. I have no doubt we sucked... have no doubt JJ was a disaster in many regards. But, I'd take the Oregon kids that supposedly would "never" consider playing for him... Tarver, Tarver, Wallace, Stephens... dare you to look at recruits his first three years versus WT and say he was the disaster in recruiting. Especially since everyone 'hated' him... LOL JJ coming off a true disaster is Ritchie McKay... 13-15/6-12... 12-16/6-12... 17-15/8-10 in what most would say a stronger era of Pac 12 ball... UW, USC, Stanford, Zona, Oregon all very good and UCLA coming back. WT coming off a 16-16/8-10 CR team... 17-15/8-10... 19-13/9-9... 4-23/0-14... where three teams have separated. No matter the "excuses" that is a disastrous drop off. As for Hurd... who cares in HS... some said he was LesterII... he was seen as a D stopper in some circles... but was an offensive liability at best... His Frosh year was actually his best, he never really got better... 6.4/3.9/3.8 with 42% FG 66% FT 5.3/3.5/4.9 " 35% 54% 2.7/3.2/3.0 " 35% 39% 5.7/2.8/2.6 " 46% 71%
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 17, 2017 12:58:53 GMT -8
Guys we can analyze this and beat the dead horse for months. Bottom line is, without the coaches' sons (or any other great lineage coming in) this coaching staff might be exposed.
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