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Post by orangeexpress on Nov 30, 2015 11:24:15 GMT -8
Shayne House?
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 11:32:11 GMT -8
Alexander's backup from the year before... the ever effective (transferred to ?) Tyler Tomich
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 11:40:47 GMT -8
From an actual Spring Game in the MR early era... in Redmond...
"Senior Tyler Tomich, listed No. 1 on the depth chart at quarterback, threw a pair of touchdown passes of 3 yards to tight end Martin Maurer and 24 yards to wideout Robert Prescott. Jose Cortez also tacked on a 33-yard field goal on his only attempt. Another field goal attempt was botched by a bad snap... OSU has three quarterbacks battling for the NO. 1 job this spring, while waiting for junior college transfer Terrance Bryant to join the Beavers in August. Tomich, a senior who backed up Tim Alexander last fall, is in a fight with a pair of redshirt freshmen, Nick Stremick and Jonathan Smith this spring."
He was a senior... thought he transferred to Montana after this year?! Guess not...
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 12:34:00 GMT -8
Now I can tell you weren't around Beaver boards in 1998. Arizona game was his coming out party. LMAO... ya, cuz we all remember back to posts 17 years ago... maybe you have a scrap book of them??? I worked directly with some of offensive coaches as often as my schedule would allow that summer just to learn from them on the field and in meetings. TB was seen as one of the smoothest QB prospects MR had seen. Not until he was in school/in the system was his big deficiency noticed... a glaring lack of focus to detail and willingness for extra work. I can tell you straight up, JS was seen as a "nice little player"... nothing more. Was never in the conversation as a potential starter... do you know who was "supposed" to be the back up??? Because of injury and academic issues he was not and the JS legend began... Many do remember, sorry your Alzheimer's isn't helping you out. Bryant was overrated, but he was cocky and that was a new thing for an OSU QB.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 12:35:21 GMT -8
From an actual Spring Game in the MR early era... in Redmond... "Senior Tyler Tomich, listed No. 1 on the depth chart at quarterback, threw a pair of touchdown passes of 3 yards to tight end Martin Maurer and 24 yards to wideout Robert Prescott. Jose Cortez also tacked on a 33-yard field goal on his only attempt. Another field goal attempt was botched by a bad snap... OSU has three quarterbacks battling for the NO. 1 job this spring, while waiting for junior college transfer Terrance Bryant to join the Beavers in August. Tomich, a senior who backed up Tim Alexander last fall, is in a fight with a pair of redshirt freshmen, Nick Stremick and Jonathan Smith this spring." He was a senior... thought he transferred to Montana after this year?! Guess not... Tomich stunk. Stremick was a little better but nothing to hang your hat on.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 12:54:01 GMT -8
From an actual Spring Game in the MR early era... in Redmond... "Senior Tyler Tomich, listed No. 1 on the depth chart at quarterback, threw a pair of touchdown passes of 3 yards to tight end Martin Maurer and 24 yards to wideout Robert Prescott. Jose Cortez also tacked on a 33-yard field goal on his only attempt. Another field goal attempt was botched by a bad snap... OSU has three quarterbacks battling for the NO. 1 job this spring, while waiting for junior college transfer Terrance Bryant to join the Beavers in August. Tomich, a senior who backed up Tim Alexander last fall, is in a fight with a pair of redshirt freshmen, Nick Stremick and Jonathan Smith this spring." He was a senior... thought he transferred to Montana after this year?! Guess not... Tomich stunk. Stremick was a little better but nothing to hang your hat on. And... someone, other than the article saying he was #1 on the depth chart, said he was??? But... he was good enough to be a D1 athlete at that time.
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Post by OSUprof on Nov 30, 2015 12:56:26 GMT -8
Now I can tell you weren't around Beaver boards in 1998. Arizona game was his coming out party. LMAO... ya, cuz we all remember back to posts 17 years ago... maybe you have a scrap book of them??? I worked directly with some of offensive coaches as often as my schedule would allow that summer just to learn from them on the field and in meetings. TB was seen as one of the smoothest QB prospects MR had seen. Not until he was in school/in the system was his big deficiency noticed... a glaring lack of focus to detail and willingness for extra work. I can tell you straight up, JS was seen as a "nice little player"... nothing more. Was never in the conversation as a potential starter... do you know who was "supposed" to be the back up??? Because of injury and academic issues he was not and the JS legend began... I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 12:56:30 GMT -8
LMAO... ya, cuz we all remember back to posts 17 years ago... maybe you have a scrap book of them??? I worked directly with some of offensive coaches as often as my schedule would allow that summer just to learn from them on the field and in meetings. TB was seen as one of the smoothest QB prospects MR had seen. Not until he was in school/in the system was his big deficiency noticed... a glaring lack of focus to detail and willingness for extra work. I can tell you straight up, JS was seen as a "nice little player"... nothing more. Was never in the conversation as a potential starter... do you know who was "supposed" to be the back up??? Because of injury and academic issues he was not and the JS legend began... Many do remember, sorry your Alzheimer's isn't helping you out. Bryant was overrated, but he was cocky and that was a new thing for an OSU QB. LMAO... yep all of the past posters hark back to their remarks from years ago!!? POST of the year... at least to show who you really are! Wow...
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Nov 30, 2015 13:04:18 GMT -8
sweet pissing match. I'm excited for the upcoming Imani Percoats debate.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 13:09:03 GMT -8
I think we need a new thread for actual news about potential players leaving the team and let these guys continue here.
So far all I've read anyplace is Luke Hollingsworth is out, but that had no backup provided.
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 30, 2015 13:13:03 GMT -8
I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game.
Yep, I remember too. Sorry, baseba111, but you're actually mocking a bit of Beaver Message Board lore. Beaverfuzz reveled in flame wars on the original Beaver Sports Central website (pre-cursor to p-o.net) about how Bryant was NOT the answer at QB, and that Smith should be the QB, post-haste. Rarely has such message board bravado and borderline-dickish behavior (hey, Fuzz was 17 years younger then ;p) been rewarded with being so right.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 13:16:58 GMT -8
LMAO... ya, cuz we all remember back to posts 17 years ago... maybe you have a scrap book of them??? I worked directly with some of offensive coaches as often as my schedule would allow that summer just to learn from them on the field and in meetings. TB was seen as one of the smoothest QB prospects MR had seen. Not until he was in school/in the system was his big deficiency noticed... a glaring lack of focus to detail and willingness for extra work. I can tell you straight up, JS was seen as a "nice little player"... nothing more. Was never in the conversation as a potential starter... do you know who was "supposed" to be the back up??? Because of injury and academic issues he was not and the JS legend began... I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game. All this aside, the single point of the original statement remains. If you thought 5'-11" Jonathan Smith was going to take OSU to a school record season, a #4 ranking and a Fiesta Bowl curbstomping of Notre Dame, you are a liar. It is one thing to pick the best QB on the roster. it is one thing to say, of these 3 clowns, clown A is the better clown... But the question was "who on this roster can take us to the next level". If you are trying to claim that in 1998 looking at that team and roster after the season, even with JS's big Washington game, then two so-so games then a big Oregon game that this guy is going to make us co pac-10 champions and put us in a new years bowl, I think you have a bad case of revisionist history. JS took us to the next level... but he also did it as a 50% passer and barely better than 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio (15-7). Orange glasses off, if we had to lean on JS and didn't have the defense, or Simonton, I am not sure we are 11-1 that season. the defense on that 2000 squad was easily one of the better ones in the nation that year. The majority of Erickson's JC guys were on that side of the ball. He also took us to a 5-6 season the next year because of how much we lost on that defense, as well as some key WRs and OL guys. That alone just goes to show the entire reason the question is a little silly. So is the QB that "can take us to the next level" on this roster? who knows? we have to fix a lot of other stuff along the way, then maybe we will see. All I do know is Moran finished his Chandler season with about double the passing yards Collins had, and equal rushing yards. I like this kid.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 13:18:10 GMT -8
LMAO... ya, cuz we all remember back to posts 17 years ago... maybe you have a scrap book of them??? I worked directly with some of offensive coaches as often as my schedule would allow that summer just to learn from them on the field and in meetings. TB was seen as one of the smoothest QB prospects MR had seen. Not until he was in school/in the system was his big deficiency noticed... a glaring lack of focus to detail and willingness for extra work. I can tell you straight up, JS was seen as a "nice little player"... nothing more. Was never in the conversation as a potential starter... do you know who was "supposed" to be the back up??? Because of injury and academic issues he was not and the JS legend began... I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game. Smith played each scrimmage vs mostly 2's and 3's... but, heck I wasn't there... on the sidelines! Keep harking back enough you're bound to be right... and, saying JS was better was an opinion, whether proven out or not has nothing to with "technical"... nothing in his motion, release, physical stature were superior to the other three... LOL. As posted by others JS was a very average QB stats wise... ok, well below today's standards... surrounded by some of the best talent OSU has had, AND he had a "gamer" attitude... that is certainly nothing technical. There was much more to 11-1 than JS. JS panned out for 1 brief shinning season... TB and Stremick were twice the athletes and QBs on paper and in practice... Tomich the experience in the system. Coaches sometimes actually go with what's in front of their eyes and adjust. Which MR did... But, JS was never a front runner for the starting nod by talent or play early on. And his success is one of those "what if" stories... if there would not have been injuries/issues with guys ahead of him he may have never seen the filed at OSU... Neither here or there... but, glad you can hark back to a success on a forum! :>)
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 13:38:00 GMT -8
I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game. Smith played each scrimmage vs mostly 2's and 3's... but, heck I wasn't there... on the sidelines! Keep harking back enough you're bound to be right... and, saying JS was better was an opinion, whether proven out or not has nothing to with "technical"... nothing in his motion, release, physical stature were superior to the other three... LOL. As posted by others JS was a very average QB stats wise... ok, well below today's standards... surrounded by some of the best talent OSU has had, AND he had a "gamer" attitude... that is certainly nothing technical. There was much more to 11-1 than JS. JS panned out for 1 brief shinning season... TB and Stremick were twice the athletes and QBs on paper and in practice... Tomich the experience in the system. Coaches sometimes actually go with what's in front of their eyes and adjust. Which MR did... But, JS was never a front runner for the starting nod by talent or play early on. And his success is one of those "what if" stories... if there would not have been injuries/issues with guys ahead of him he may have never seen the filed at OSU... Neither here or there... but, glad you can hark back to a success on a forum! :>) In the 3rd scrimmage JS played with the #1's and was 13-22 with 1 TD and 3 INTs. It was the better performance of Tomich and Stremick in that game. there were 2 other scrimmages JS was not as sharp as well though. I would say that spring performance didn't exactly harken big things... JS climbed the ladder because he learned Riley's pro system to a better degree than the others. That made up for his small stature. To be fair, a lot of the reason he was barely a 50% passer was batted balls. JS had a ton of those, what with being a midget by QB standards. JS new the system and didn't flush out of the pocket. (he turtled!!!) He made the right choices and showed that early and often. But what put OSU to 11-1 that year was the TEAM.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 14:02:24 GMT -8
Smith played each scrimmage vs mostly 2's and 3's... but, heck I wasn't there... on the sidelines! Keep harking back enough you're bound to be right... and, saying JS was better was an opinion, whether proven out or not has nothing to with "technical"... nothing in his motion, release, physical stature were superior to the other three... LOL. As posted by others JS was a very average QB stats wise... ok, well below today's standards... surrounded by some of the best talent OSU has had, AND he had a "gamer" attitude... that is certainly nothing technical. There was much more to 11-1 than JS. JS panned out for 1 brief shinning season... TB and Stremick were twice the athletes and QBs on paper and in practice... Tomich the experience in the system. Coaches sometimes actually go with what's in front of their eyes and adjust. Which MR did... But, JS was never a front runner for the starting nod by talent or play early on. And his success is one of those "what if" stories... if there would not have been injuries/issues with guys ahead of him he may have never seen the filed at OSU... Neither here or there... but, glad you can hark back to a success on a forum! :>) In the 3rd scrimmage JS played with the #1's and was 13-22 with 1 TD and 3 INTs. It was the better performance of Tomich and Stremick in that game. there were 2 other scrimmages JS was not as sharp as well though. I would say that spring performance didn't exactly harken big things... JS climbed the ladder because he learned Riley's pro system to a better degree than the others. That made up for his small stature. To be fair, a lot of the reason he was barely a 50% passer was batted balls. JS had a ton of those, what with being a midget by QB standards. JS new the system and didn't flush out of the pocket. (he turtled!!!) He made the right choices and showed that early and often. But what put OSU to 11-1 that year was the TEAM. Other two were ailing and Bryant not yet on campus... point is simple... JS was not THE factor nor a precursor to success... saying another QB could not have equaled the success or even surpassed by having a better showing after the 11-1 season with that talent is folly. The QB being the glorified position it is, people fell in love with JS... even going years down the road that he should be our OC/HC in waiting... again folly. Sadly, is more of the symptom of just how bad were were and any ray of light was magnified into a star! Horse beaten...
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