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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2017 17:28:33 GMT -8
Really? Is this what you were saying about Baseball pre-Casey and WBB pre Rueck? I get the frustration but your doom and gloom, woe is me attitude seems very defeatist. Baseball and WBB are very different than football and men's basketball. In the case of baseball, it's not meant as a revenue-generating sport and it's cost structure is lower than football. With respect to WBB, it's just really taking hold. We're probably men's basketball was in the 60s with one or two real dominant teams and a number of very good ones. But not what we've seen from the men's program where no one school is as dominant as UCLA was in the 60s. With WBB, it was Tennessee and, now, UCONN. If Pat Summitt hadn't become ill, Tennessee could very well, still be dominating. A lot of it, at least from OSU's position, has to do with costs. Do WBB and baseball spend as much per capita as football for tutorial programs? Equipment? Travel? Coaching salaries? Promotion and public relations? Men's basketball is an anomaly. I don't have any answers. Recruiting has a lot to do with it, though. Defeatist or realistic? How many winning seasons has football had over the last 50? Over the last ten, how many top ten recruiting classes has OSU had? Top twenty? Top thirty? How many first round draft choices? Recruiting. Geez, let's look at that. TV Market, we're among the smallest and shared with Convict U. Ambiance: geez Louise, we certainly aren't LA, SF, Seattle, or the Denver Strip. Look up boring in your Funk and Wagnall's and you'll see photos of Corvallis. Academics: Yes, Virginia, athletes care about after their pro career. Stanford, UCLA, and Cal are considered among the top universities in the world. USC and UW are top twenty programs in the US; Colorado and Utah are in the top fifty. OSU? Ranked 121 with our top programs in Forestry and Agriculture. Things are improving (Nuclear engineering, Zoology, kinesiology [formerly Exercise and Sport Science]), but nowhere near the others. Even Oregon has a law school and top twenty-five business school, proven generators of alumni donations. Alumni economics: Yeah, all those rich farmers and forest rangers are rushing to donate their nickles and dimes to the cause while the others [not WSU] have alum writing gazillion dollar checks. Realistic. Men's basketball is a sport where it's possible to catch lightning every now and then and make the jump to where a school is competing for championships for a few years anyways. Any sport with 11-12 scholarships vs 80 something is going to allow for more parity and opportunities. Basketball is a sport where 5-6 bigtime recruits over the course of 3-4 years can completely change a team. The Beavs are missing an upperclass at this point, everyone playing is sophomores, freshmen or walkons. Next year they'll have at least four to five 4 star (depending on the rating service) recruits hopefully healthy and contributing that actually have experience. A couple of other freshmen currently on the team meet the eye test to be significant contributors in my opinion. I'm thinking within two years, assuming everyone is still playing, the team could really make most people forget about this season. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 23, 2017 18:05:21 GMT -8
Baseball and WBB are very different than football and men's basketball. In the case of baseball, it's not meant as a revenue-generating sport and it's cost structure is lower than football. With respect to WBB, it's just really taking hold. We're probably men's basketball was in the 60s with one or two real dominant teams and a number of very good ones. But not what we've seen from the men's program where no one school is as dominant as UCLA was in the 60s. With WBB, it was Tennessee and, now, UCONN. If Pat Summitt hadn't become ill, Tennessee could very well, still be dominating. A lot of it, at least from OSU's position, has to do with costs. Do WBB and baseball spend as much per capita as football for tutorial programs? Equipment? Travel? Coaching salaries? Promotion and public relations? Men's basketball is an anomaly. I don't have any answers. Recruiting has a lot to do with it, though. Defeatist or realistic? How many winning seasons has football had over the last 50? Over the last ten, how many top ten recruiting classes has OSU had? Top twenty? Top thirty? How many first round draft choices? Recruiting. Geez, let's look at that. TV Market, we're among the smallest and shared with Convict U. Ambiance: geez Louise, we certainly aren't LA, SF, Seattle, or the Denver Strip. Look up boring in your Funk and Wagnall's and you'll see photos of Corvallis. Academics: Yes, Virginia, athletes care about after their pro career. Stanford, UCLA, and Cal are considered among the top universities in the world. USC and UW are top twenty programs in the US; Colorado and Utah are in the top fifty. OSU? Ranked 121 with our top programs in Forestry and Agriculture. Things are improving (Nuclear engineering, Zoology, kinesiology [formerly Exercise and Sport Science]), but nowhere near the others. Even Oregon has a law school and top twenty-five business school, proven generators of alumni donations. Alumni economics: Yeah, all those rich farmers and forest rangers are rushing to donate their nickles and dimes to the cause while the others [not WSU] have alum writing gazillion dollar checks. Realistic. Men's basketball is a sport where it's possible to catch lightning every now and then and make the jump to where a school is competing for championships for a few years anyways. Any sport with 11-12 scholarships vs 80 something is going to allow for more parity and opportunities. Basketball is a sport where 5-6 bigtime recruits over the course of 3-4 years can completely change a team. The Beavs are missing an upperclass at this point, everyone playing is sophomores, freshmen or walkons. Next year they'll have at least four to five 4 star (depending on the rating service) recruits hopefully healthy and contributing that actually have experience. A couple of other freshmen currently on the team meet the eye test to be significant contributors in my opinion. I'm thinking within two years, assuming everyone is still playing, the team could really make most people forget about this season. Yeah, agreed. It's just a lot more difficult for OSU to catch that lightening. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 23, 2017 22:42:22 GMT -8
"What do we do? We do...nothing"
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 26, 2017 21:45:34 GMT -8
IF...I mean IF we were serious about hoops, and thought it was important... We'd open the checkbook and sign a great coach/recruiter. It would be really expensive, but talent wins in basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 11:54:27 GMT -8
Baseball and WBB are very different than football and men's basketball. In the case of baseball, it's not meant as a revenue-generating sport and it's cost structure is lower than football. With respect to WBB, it's just really taking hold. We're probably men's basketball was in the 60s with one or two real dominant teams and a number of very good ones. But not what we've seen from the men's program where no one school is as dominant as UCLA was in the 60s. With WBB, it was Tennessee and, now, UCONN. If Pat Summitt hadn't become ill, Tennessee could very well, still be dominating. A lot of it, at least from OSU's position, has to do with costs. Do WBB and baseball spend as much per capita as football for tutorial programs? Equipment? Travel? Coaching salaries? Promotion and public relations? Men's basketball is an anomaly. I don't have any answers. Recruiting has a lot to do with it, though. Defeatist or realistic? How many winning seasons has football had over the last 50? Over the last ten, how many top ten recruiting classes has OSU had? Top twenty? Top thirty? How many first round draft choices? Recruiting. Geez, let's look at that. TV Market, we're among the smallest and shared with Convict U. Ambiance: geez Louise, we certainly aren't LA, SF, Seattle, or the Denver Strip. Look up boring in your Funk and Wagnall's and you'll see photos of Corvallis. Academics: Yes, Virginia, athletes care about after their pro career. Stanford, UCLA, and Cal are considered among the top universities in the world. USC and UW are top twenty programs in the US; Colorado and Utah are in the top fifty. OSU? Ranked 121 with our top programs in Forestry and Agriculture. Things are improving (Nuclear engineering, Zoology, kinesiology [formerly Exercise and Sport Science]), but nowhere near the others. Even Oregon has a law school and top twenty-five business school, proven generators of alumni donations. Alumni economics: Yeah, all those rich farmers and forest rangers are rushing to donate their nickles and dimes to the cause while the others [not WSU] have alum writing gazillion dollar checks. Realistic. Gonzaga seems to be doing okay against all those odds - tv market, middle-of-nowhere, 6000 seat arena. Can we just make it so and have whatever they are having?  Gonzaga and other good "teams" have a higher collective will to win. Each individual is more vested in winning than he is in his personal goals. The care factor is higher and you can see it on the court. More focused and more decisive than their opponents. This offsets the advantages of the opponent. Size, talent, speed, all of that comes undone against a team with a need to win. Sure, your Kentucky or your Kansas will win many games just because they can jump higher and shoot better. But when they play in games that matter against other quality teams, it's their group ethos that gets them that last possession or that steal. I dont see this beaver team having a need to win at this point. At all. Its really pretty frightening. |
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 28, 2017 8:17:12 GMT -8
Honestly the problem spreads across all sports (maybe except baseball) but the main competition for OSU seems to be the WSUs and ASUs in the bottom tier.
What do we do? The AD has already started pretending that Corvallis is a destination city to promote recruiting (if you travel a lot you know it's false). It's helped a little in football, but the decommits probably saw the writing on the wall once they visited other college towns. We will just have to see how far it can take us.
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 28, 2017 8:18:40 GMT -8
The Tinkle era has it the easiest, just rely on the family coaching tree sons for the first few years and get out of town before sh*t hits the fan. Their luck with having GP2 get them to the NCAAs last year was evened out by this years luck.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 30, 2017 9:20:47 GMT -8
Honestly the problem spreads across all sports (maybe except baseball) but the main competition for OSU seems to be the WSUs and ASUs in the bottom tier. What do we do? The AD has already started pretending that Corvallis is a destination city to promote recruiting (if you travel a lot you know it's false). It's helped a little in football, but the decommits probably saw the writing on the wall once they visited other college towns. We will just have to see how far it can take us. You are missing the point about the marketing completely. We are not touting Corvallis as a "destination city." Actually, we are promoting it as the exact opposite of a destination city. Seattle, LA, SF, SLC and Phoenix are destination cities. Corvallis, Eugene, Pullman are college towns. Somewhere in between the two categories above are Boulder and Tucson. You sell what you have and what you are. Not all kids want to go to a big city for college. |
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Feb 1, 2017 23:03:30 GMT -8
Ya know I'm gunna be brutally honest, the men's basketball team just gets me riled up...I straight up just wanna cut tres T and fire Tinkle and stop recruiting in state Oregon kids.... there's hardly any good national talent in Oregon, basketball wise.. Oregon state has a lot of in state talent, and they can't do crap!! Which says a lot about the home basketball talent in Oregon.... smh.. I Really don't care, if I were the AD I'd fire any coach that has a really piss poor losing season in any sport and Oregon state. Cuz I see Oregon state as a National Contender for the championship in every sport!!!!I'm not gunna give into the "oh we're just a small agricultural town with no close airport" b.s. If Gonzaga can be a basketball march madness contender, than so can the Beavs!! I truly do believe the Beavs are championship caliber in any sport!! .... yep this basketball page gets me riled up for sure.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 2, 2017 8:50:04 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 2, 2017 19:34:39 GMT -8
Ya know I'm gunna be brutally honest, the men's basketball team just gets me riled up...I straight up just wanna cut tres T and fire Tinkle and stop recruiting in state Oregon kids.... there's hardly any good national talent in Oregon, basketball wise.. Oregon state has a lot of in state talent, and they can't do crap!! Which says a lot about the home basketball talent in Oregon.... smh.. I Really don't care, if I were the AD I'd fire any coach that has a really piss poor losing season in any sport and Oregon state. Cuz I see Oregon state as a National Contender for the championship in every sport!!!!I'm not gunna give into the "oh we're just a small agricultural town with no close airport" b.s. If Gonzaga can be a basketball march madness contender, than so can the Beavs!! I truly do believe the Beavs are championship caliber in any sport!! .... yep this basketball page gets me riled up for sure. I give an 8.5 on the Rant-O-Meter® |
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