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Post by beav2007 on Nov 21, 2015 20:14:01 GMT -8
And in fairness I don't know what I'm talking about, but... Are we actually getting worse? Honest question. I mean, there are myriad explanations if we are, but...am I perceiving that correctly? I think we're getting worse because we're running out of people to can/want to play. O-line -- Andrews and Smith are redshirting due to injuries and Harlow is out as well; Woods, Brown, Nall, Cook, and Lucas have all been dinged; Collins is dinged; How many of the D are out due to injuries? Add to that, two of the QB's that Riley recruited can't play the position. Add to that --- youth. Add to that, the problem with depth we always seem to have. Add to that new schemes. These are kids, mostly very young, who haven't learned to deal with adversity. I expect that the coaches are getting a good handle on who wants to be here; who has the physical skills as well as the emotional skills. Thinks will improve. Remember, it's always darkest before the dawn. Go Beavs!! Great response! I do remain filled with optimism, and believe we will take leaps and bounds each year the next 2-3 seasons  |
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Post by beavdowg on Nov 21, 2015 21:10:06 GMT -8
I thought so too after the first couple bad beat downs but, to be honest, I don't have a ton of confidence right now in this staff being able to build this program up to be a Pac-12 contender. At this point in the season can we really use the "new scheme" excuse? I mean we've been running this scheme since last March/April. Is it really that new to the players? I was one of the ones saying that Riley was not a very good recruiter the last few years but, really? I don't know if this can be blamed on leaving the cupboard bare. Gosh, we all really hated Banker, but, how would we like to have him back now? At least this season. I just never thought it would get this bad, AT ALL!
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Post by beav2007 on Nov 21, 2015 21:21:33 GMT -8
So, Anderson has done well literally everywhere he's gone. I have to admit that I'm a bit scared that if he can't succeed at OSU, maybe the problem isn't him.
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 22, 2015 0:38:38 GMT -8
I'd definitely get a new OC for next season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 22, 2015 13:48:43 GMT -8
Hmmmmmm... "one hit wonder at Utah State..."
That is a WEAK ass conference and he never had a recruiting class higher that 6th in that league... usually in the 9th-11th range... that won't cut it in the Pac12. At Wisky he did ZERO but maintain... including a embarrassing beat down to tOSU... (seems to be a theme no matter who his DC is... and is supposedly his forte???)... Recruiting was about the same level/middle of the pack.
He has NEVER proven himself at a Power5 school as anything but a coordinator. Never understood why peeps were so excited to get GA, unless it was the fact he cam from Wisky. But, that says more about the state of our program than GA's prowess...
Those who think this debacle is ALL about the lack of talent are truly wearing the orange goggles. We are young, but so are lots of other Pac12 teams and although we are younger do you see any one else gettign rolled week in and week out??? I do not mean just beaten badly, but ROLLED... this D is not only young, injured, but poorly coached/out of position... even back ups should know where to align and have been part fo the preparation... This is not ALL about lack of talent... it's about coaching and those who do have talent buying in... and maybe a lot of that due to how they are maligned in public (yep... part of so many other blogs with many more posters than I agreeing). We will not even go into the play calling and offensive ineptitude... just never seen so many random play calls that make no sense based on what is actually working...
Bottom line, no matter your opinion, it is MORE than just talent level. We only get to recruit 25... and even if all them were starters, you just got younger and MORE inexperienced.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 23, 2015 8:43:13 GMT -8
I'd definitely get a new OC for next season. See. I would agree if this was any kind of offense Baldwin likes to run. It is not. He was wildly successful at Colorado State running a shotgun spread with Garret Grayson. Granted, yes he had an NFL caliber QB at the helm. But my deal is the talent we had here last spring, the QBs we had at the time (Del Rio, Vanderveen, Mitchel, McMaryion) had skills far more suited to running that offense. the ERICKSON offense really, with some changed elements. I simply do not understand this all in push to go read option spread. it completely blew up on them. I think we are far more competitive team if we are meeting our talent in the middle. And my deal is, I do not know if this was Baldwin's brain child or if this was his forced execution of CGA's will. know what I mean? I am not sure I believe Baldwin walks in, sees our team, looks at our tape and think READ OPTION IT IS!!! then on defense, I have no idea why you would try and run a 3-4 when you don't have a single NT on the roster. that seems like basic fundamentals to me. But then again, I am not the one making millions to do this. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 23, 2015 9:21:24 GMT -8
In keeping with the title... I've have been overly negative, but from the outside looking in something it just not right... it's not just talent level/strength/etc. There's lack of effort, weird play calling, suspect player evaluation/playing time, public coach speak that seems to create even more confusion... whatever it is I do think this staff got HUMBLED.
In my opinion they came in thinking they could just make whole sale changes without regard to the personnel and make it work in a Power 5 conference. Not sure why? Anderson didn't try that at Wisky. Was it having the "old gang" together again that made him think it could work?
Athletics is constantly providing humbling moments and for this staff I think it is a good thing. They made some grave miscalculations and will hopefully learn and move forward from it. If they can actually sign most of this class or add to it, their "recovery" time will be much quicker.
In any case... message boards can be a fans' way to vent/waste time, but the "proof" of this staffs' effectiveness will be born out on the field over the coming years. GO BEAVS
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 23, 2015 9:55:43 GMT -8
It is talent. For the few of us in the stadium on Saturday in time for the Senior Day introductions, it was painfully clear how little talent the coaches are working with. There was not a single senior with a conference accolade. Half of them don't play and the ones that do are marginal save for Peko.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 23, 2015 10:03:11 GMT -8
In keeping with the title... I've have been overly negative, but from the outside looking in something it just not right... it's not just talent level/strength/etc. There's lack of effort, weird play calling, suspect player evaluation/playing time, public coach speak that seems to create even more confusion... whatever it is I do think this staff got HUMBLED. I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 23, 2015 10:14:42 GMT -8
In keeping with the title... I've have been overly negative, but from the outside looking in something it just not right... it's not just talent level/strength/etc. There's lack of effort, weird play calling, suspect player evaluation/playing time, public coach speak that seems to create even more confusion... whatever it is I do think this staff got HUMBLED. I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. I agree it is sure easy to look terrible when you don't know what you are doing. Remember that Louisville game? it was brought up in another thread. that 63-whatever butt kicking? Remember one of the CBs that spent the entire game getting burnt and staring at the back of Louisville's receivers jerseys? Wee young Gerard Lawson. He was benched after that for sure, and deservedly so. and he road the bench for some time, until a few years later he learned the craft, became a pretty good CB, and had that nice 100 yard kick return against Hawaii (when Hawaii wasn't a dumpster fire...). He even made a NFL roster as a UDFA and hung out a couple years. Heck, 2011 was pretty rough and basically all those same guys came back and gave us 9 wins the next season. For sure, you can look pretty darn cruddy when you have no idea what is happening on that field. you aren't playing you are thinking. that is where the coaches need to be working these guys. getting them to the point they are playing, not thinking. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 23, 2015 10:48:07 GMT -8
In keeping with the title... I've have been overly negative, but from the outside looking in something it just not right... it's not just talent level/strength/etc. There's lack of effort, weird play calling, suspect player evaluation/playing time, public coach speak that seems to create even more confusion... whatever it is I do think this staff got HUMBLED. I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. Watch the punt return TD again... see if you think the same thing? It is thew one play that it is very easy to see multiple players half-hearted play. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 23, 2015 11:04:19 GMT -8
I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. I agree it is sure easy to look terrible when you don't know what you are doing. Remember that Louisville game? it was brought up in another thread. that 63-whatever butt kicking? Remember one of the CBs that spent the entire game getting burnt and staring at the back of Louisville's receivers jerseys? Regarding the Louisville game: Getting beat 63-27 by a team that averaged 482 ypg and 43 points and finished 9-3 is a little bit different than losing to a Washington team that is 5-6 and averaging 383 ypg and 28 ppg with a freshman QB and a freshman RB. I could handle it if we had a few more Gabe Ovgards - guys who seem to be in the right position, but just aren't physically strong enough to bring down a guy 1 on 1. That would indicate to me that the coaching staff is at least getting them in the right position and we're just being outclassed physically. But what I saw Saturday was completely blown coverages with defensive backs questioning each other after the play, and two guys following the same man in motion at the line, or neither guy moving and pointing at the other. Whatever they're teaching ain't sticking with the kids. Also saw somewhere (maybe on pure-orange) a guy float the idea that Riley's charisma rubbed off on these kids at a very impressionable age, and they're not playing hard out of loyalty to him. That is complete hogwash, but that's what happens when the current staff says things like "guys are refusing to learn" to the media. There is ZERO chance that these kids are still "playing for Riley." Riley wasn't fired, he LEFT. He could've stayed if he had wanted to, and it also makes no sense to me that an 18-22 year old kid would willingly look like he had no clue how to cover or tackle just to prove a point. The kids are trying, they're either incapable of competing or they're not getting coached in a way they can understand. I tend to think it's a little of both. |
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Post by devildog on Nov 23, 2015 11:23:54 GMT -8
Boy if we only had that Nebraska staff things would be great. Man the good old days of blah blah blah.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 23, 2015 11:41:29 GMT -8
"Watch the punt return TD again..."
NO! I refuse! I couldn't take it! Ha ha ha
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 23, 2015 12:39:16 GMT -8
I agree it is sure easy to look terrible when you don't know what you are doing. Remember that Louisville game? it was brought up in another thread. that 63-whatever butt kicking? Remember one of the CBs that spent the entire game getting burnt and staring at the back of Louisville's receivers jerseys? Regarding the Louisville game: Getting beat 63-27 by a team that averaged 482 ypg and 43 points and finished 9-3 is a little bit different than losing to a Washington team that is 5-6 and averaging 383 ypg and 28 ppg with a freshman QB and a freshman RB. I could handle it if we had a few more Gabe Ovgards - guys who seem to be in the right position, but just aren't physically strong enough to bring down a guy 1 on 1. That would indicate to me that the coaching staff is at least getting them in the right position and we're just being outclassed physically. But what I saw Saturday was completely blown coverages with defensive backs questioning each other after the play, and two guys following the same man in motion at the line, or neither guy moving and pointing at the other. Whatever they're teaching ain't sticking with the kids. Also saw somewhere (maybe on pure-orange) a guy float the idea that Riley's charisma rubbed off on these kids at a very impressionable age, and they're not playing hard out of loyalty to him. That is complete hogwash, but that's what happens when the current staff says things like "guys are refusing to learn" to the media. There is ZERO chance that these kids are still "playing for Riley." Riley wasn't fired, he LEFT. He could've stayed if he had wanted to, and it also makes no sense to me that an 18-22 year old kid would willingly look like he had no clue how to cover or tackle just to prove a point. The kids are trying, they're either incapable of competing or they're not getting coached in a way they can understand. I tend to think it's a little of both. I agree with this. precisely. I see less "not pac-12 bodies" and more "what am I doing!?!?!" on the field. I see that we are physically mismatched on the DL. But I see that is because we are sticking a 280 pound kid at NT playing heads up on the center and having two gap responsibility. egads! can we please just put two average DTs side by side please? I agree that it is utter nonsense that kids would be dogging it out of "loyalty" to Riley. If a kid was that put out about Riley leaving he would of transferred. When it comes down to it, every kid on that team wants to win a football game. I find it crazy to think otherwise. What I see is frustrated players that are scare of their short leashes. and I agree that this "these kids refuse to learn" bit is not a way to reach them. Particularly when it is the COACHES that fleeced this ill conceived scheme on them. |
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