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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2016 8:04:12 GMT -8
Is how absolutely convinced the vast majority of Duck fans were that Chip was coming back. It was a done deal, and they were popping champagne corks.
I.love.it.
That said, my actual opinion of the Taggart hire is this: if you were going to hire a poor defense, high scoring head coach with limited success, why did you fire Helfrich?
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Post by beaverintheberg on Dec 7, 2016 8:19:45 GMT -8
Yep, they were certain chip was coming back....
As a 49er fan there is just no winning at anything this year.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 7, 2016 11:34:20 GMT -8
The thing is, most duck fans were so fast to throw Helfridge under the bus because they were certain a big name coach would replace him once left go. Harsin or Baldwin look like better options. If you're going to hire an "up and comer" and cross the fingers it all works out why not Beua Baldwin who's proven he can win at the P12 level with less talent to work with. Heck Harsin has as many P12 wins this year as oregon and both came against teams oregon lost to. Wow when you look at it that way, they really have become terrible and the new version of the UW post Don James. Ty Willingham hire?  |
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Post by green85 on Dec 7, 2016 15:28:37 GMT -8
Is how absolutely convinced the vast majority of Duck fans were that Chip was coming back. It was a done deal, and they were popping champagne corks. I.love.it. That said, my actual opinion of the Taggart hire is this: if you were going to hire a poor defense, high scoring head coach with limited success, why did you fire Helfrich? Most Duck fans I know held no hope of seeing Chip Kelly at Oregon in 2017.
4-8 is a big drop off from previous year's performances. Funny thing ... this fan can still recall some extraordinary success for Oregon football. For me, one season does not erase those memories or cause me to abandon expectations for something considerably better than 4-8 in 2017.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 7, 2016 16:05:29 GMT -8
Is how absolutely convinced the vast majority of Duck fans were that Chip was coming back. It was a done deal, and they were popping champagne corks. I.love.it. That said, my actual opinion of the Taggart hire is this: if you were going to hire a poor defense, high scoring head coach with limited success, why did you fire Helfrich? Most Duck fans I know held no hope of seeing Chip Kelly at Oregon in 2017.
4-8 is a big drop off from previous year's performances. Funny thing ... this fan can still recall some extraordinary success for Oregon football. For me, one season does not erase those memories or cause me to abandon expectations for something considerably better than 4-8 in 2017.
I have to think that Taggart was no better than about 9th or 10th on Oregon's wishlist. When the $10m number came out, I thought for sure that Oregon was going to pull off a blockbuster hire. This one goes off with a resounding splat IMO. |
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Dec 7, 2016 16:17:27 GMT -8
Is how absolutely convinced the vast majority of Duck fans were that Chip was coming back. It was a done deal, and they were popping champagne corks. I.love.it. That said, my actual opinion of the Taggart hire is this: if you were going to hire a poor defense, high scoring head coach with limited success, why did you fire Helfrich? Yeah I was reading tons of twitter comments like that. "At this point, it would be a surprise if it's NOT Chip Kelly" Baaahaahaa!!!! It's been a good few weeks for Beaver Nation. Sorry to see Brennan go, but life goes on. |
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Post by Snafu on Dec 7, 2016 16:34:27 GMT -8
I love to watch the faces of my duck friends when I remind them that the ducks could have had Chris Peterson a few years back, and now they have to settle with a no-name .500 mid-major coach after Urban, Nick and Les turned them down.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 7, 2016 17:57:30 GMT -8
Most Duck fans I know held no hope of seeing Chip Kelly at Oregon in 2017.
4-8 is a big drop off from previous year's performances. Funny thing ... this fan can still recall some extraordinary success for Oregon football. For me, one season does not erase those memories or cause me to abandon expectations for something considerably better than 4-8 in 2017.
I have to think that Taggart was no better than about 9th or 10th on Oregon's wishlist. When the $10m number came out, I thought for sure that Oregon was going to pull off a blockbuster hire. This one goes off with a resounding splat IMO. I wonder how much of that was simply rumor and innuendo. Who did they think they were going to get...Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh? These guys are at elite schools, they aren't jumping ship for the NW, and if any sort of talks occurred, you'd bet we'd hear about contract renegotiations at their current school. Same really with Franklin, he just won that Big 10 beating out the likes of Ohio State and Michigan in his own division! IMO you look at who was available, the list wasn't pretty. So as far as that goes, I think it was a decent hire. Some will say Rhule going to Baylor is somehow a slap in the face to Oregon. No its not, he can field a top notch team with 75 guys from Texas who didn't go to Bama, Texas, A&M, and OK. He sure can't do that at Oregon. And if they had hired Schiano the reaction would have been the same. Schiano is Mike Riley of Rutgers, except with one 11 win season that still was 2nd best in conference. He never won his conference, he never took Rutgers to a BCS bowl, he bombed in the NFL. Sound Familiar? Briles and Petrino have baggage. Harsin and Fleck are clowns that will eventually get exposed in a Major 5. They SHOULD have fired Helfrich last year and went hard after Fuentes. Hindsight being what it is. Hey don't look now, but I could see UCLA, AZ, and ASU all looking for new coaches next year. Who is out there for them? Right about now I'm happy CGA is at OSU. Edit...add Stanford to that list. I won't be surprised at all if David Shaw finally makes the leap to the NFL next season. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2016 18:23:52 GMT -8
Most Duck fans I know held no hope of seeing Chip Kelly at Oregon in 2017.
4-8 is a big drop off from previous year's performances. Funny thing ... this fan can still recall some extraordinary success for Oregon football. For me, one season does not erase those memories or cause me to abandon expectations for something considerably better than 4-8 in 2017.
I have to think that Taggart was no better than about 9th or 10th on Oregon's wishlist. When the $10m number came out, I thought for sure that Oregon was going to pull off a blockbuster hire. This one goes off with a resounding splat IMO. I concur with the splatt assessment. Not to knock on Taggart, whom by all measure appears to be a nice up and coming coach, that had USF pointed in the right direction. But Oregon was having delusions of grandeur there about their status. This has to be a pretty big blow to some collective egos. I do find it interesting. I find it underwhelming. Heck, compare Oregon's hire to our hire in terms of splash... You can't even compare it! OSU made a HUGE splash getting Andersen. It took a while and some hand wringing but it looks like we are seeing some light at the end of the tunnel as well. Oregon hired a guy that basically would of gone to any warm P5 body if offered. |
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Post by rockybeav on Dec 7, 2016 18:50:30 GMT -8
The immediate reaction all seems to be positive regarding Taggart. Sounds like he's a good recruiter and came highly recommended from some respected college football minds. We will have to see how he does in a competitive PAC 12 North. Still, I agree that Oregon didn't get their #1 choice. From reports I've read, they gave McElwain at Florida the hard press and nearly had him until he backed out at the "11th hour." Getting turned down by Rhule must have been a shocker as well. I kind of like the fact that Baylor gave Rhule a 7 year contract. At least they are acknowledging the time it takes to rebuild a program. As of yesterday, Baylor had ONE committed recruit for the 2017 class. Yikes.
Were there other coaches who turned them down, that we know about? I'm assuming Chip Kelly was offered, but is there anyone else?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 7, 2016 21:09:33 GMT -8
] Hey don't look now, but I could see UCLA, AZ, and ASU all looking for new coaches next year. Who is out there for them? Right about now I'm happy CGA is at OSU. Edit...add Stanford to that list. I won't be surprised at all if David Shaw finally makes the leap to the NFL next season. My how times change. Three years ago there were lots of posters here complaining that our coach only got us to bowls most of the time, and that the three coaches just mentioned would rule the conference, or at least be major thorns in our side, for years to come. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 7, 2016 21:35:02 GMT -8
I have to think that Taggart was no better than about 9th or 10th on Oregon's wishlist. When the $10m number came out, I thought for sure that Oregon was going to pull off a blockbuster hire. This one goes off with a resounding splat IMO. I wonder how much of that was simply rumor and innuendo. Who did they think they were going to get...Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh? These guys are at elite schools, they aren't jumping ship for the NW, and if any sort of talks occurred, you'd bet we'd hear about contract renegotiations at their current school. Same really with Franklin, he just won that Big 10 beating out the likes of Ohio State and Michigan in his own division! IMO you look at who was available, the list wasn't pretty. So as far as that goes, I think it was a decent hire. Some will say Rhule going to Baylor is somehow a slap in the face to Oregon. No its not, he can field a top notch team with 75 guys from Texas who didn't go to Bama, Texas, A&M, and OK. He sure can't do that at Oregon. And if they had hired Schiano the reaction would have been the same. Schiano is Mike Riley of Rutgers, except with one 11 win season that still was 2nd best in conference. He never won his conference, he never took Rutgers to a BCS bowl, he bombed in the NFL. Sound Familiar? Briles and Petrino have baggage. Harsin and Fleck are clowns that will eventually get exposed in a Major 5. They SHOULD have fired Helfrich last year and went hard after Fuentes. Hindsight being what it is. Hey don't look now, but I could see UCLA, AZ, and ASU all looking for new coaches next year. Who is out there for them? Right about now I'm happy CGA is at OSU. Edit...add Stanford to that list. I won't be surprised at all if David Shaw finally makes the leap to the NFL next season. I'm curious why you are negative on Fleck. I think the "row the boat" thing can be hokey, but I'm not sure what else you could say poorly about him. Per Phil Steele he had the MAC's #1 recruiting class in '14, '15, and '16 (2013 was his first season). They don't have a gimmick offense. This may be the best MAC team in my memory. NIU had a couple of good teams but I think those were based mostly on Jordan Lynch. Fleck's personal life may be a bit of a mess, but you could probably say that about a lot of head coaches. I was surprised he was not hired at Purdue, but maybe he turned that down because of divorce and three small kids? I wouldn't call Harsin a clown, but he is clearly a step down from Peterson. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 8, 2016 6:09:49 GMT -8
I wonder how much of that was simply rumor and innuendo. Who did they think they were going to get...Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh? These guys are at elite schools, they aren't jumping ship for the NW, and if any sort of talks occurred, you'd bet we'd hear about contract renegotiations at their current school. Same really with Franklin, he just won that Big 10 beating out the likes of Ohio State and Michigan in his own division! IMO you look at who was available, the list wasn't pretty. So as far as that goes, I think it was a decent hire. Some will say Rhule going to Baylor is somehow a slap in the face to Oregon. No its not, he can field a top notch team with 75 guys from Texas who didn't go to Bama, Texas, A&M, and OK. He sure can't do that at Oregon. And if they had hired Schiano the reaction would have been the same. Schiano is Mike Riley of Rutgers, except with one 11 win season that still was 2nd best in conference. He never won his conference, he never took Rutgers to a BCS bowl, he bombed in the NFL. Sound Familiar? Briles and Petrino have baggage. Harsin and Fleck are clowns that will eventually get exposed in a Major 5. They SHOULD have fired Helfrich last year and went hard after Fuentes. Hindsight being what it is. Hey don't look now, but I could see UCLA, AZ, and ASU all looking for new coaches next year. Who is out there for them? Right about now I'm happy CGA is at OSU. Edit...add Stanford to that list. I won't be surprised at all if David Shaw finally makes the leap to the NFL next season. I'm curious why you are negative on Fleck. I think the "row the boat" thing can be hokey, but I'm not sure what else you could say poorly about him. Per Phil Steele he had the MAC's #1 recruiting class in '14, '15, and '16 (2013 was his first season). They don't have a gimmick offense. This may be the best MAC team in my memory. NIU had a couple of good teams but I think those were based mostly on Jordan Lynch. Fleck's personal life may be a bit of a mess, but you could probably say that about a lot of head coaches. I was surprised he was not hired at Purdue, but maybe he turned that down because of divorce and three small kids? I wouldn't call Harsin a clown, but he is clearly a step down from Peterson. Because it's the MAC, and his schtick works there. Of course he's killing it recruiting to the MAC, he's the only coach in the league with a personality. Wait til he's trying to recruit kids to the Big 10 against powerhouse schools with power coaches like Meyer and Harbaugh. You think "row the boat" and "have an elite day" and sprinting on the sideline is going to turn those kids away from Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State? Here is all you need to know about PJ Fleck, who seems like a nice guy and all, despite the goofy inspirational speaker act. There is a Power 5 school just 200 miles away from Kalamazoo that is desperate to find a new leader and face for its football program while it injects massive amount of money into its facilities. So Purdue hired Jeff Brohm instead. PJ Fleck wasn't even on Oregon's Radar, they hired a guy with a losing record instead...at two different schools! If Houston does not hire him...says a lot, and they aren't even a Power 5 team. |
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Post by blackdagger on Dec 8, 2016 7:27:55 GMT -8
Taggart is described as an aggressive recruiter, and I think he may butt heads with Coach Lockett's efforts in that state -
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 8, 2016 7:43:04 GMT -8
I wonder how much of that was simply rumor and innuendo. Who did they think they were going to get...Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh? These guys are at elite schools, they aren't jumping ship for the NW, and if any sort of talks occurred, you'd bet we'd hear about contract renegotiations at their current school. Same really with Franklin, he just won that Big 10 beating out the likes of Ohio State and Michigan in his own division! IMO you look at who was available, the list wasn't pretty. So as far as that goes, I think it was a decent hire. Some will say Rhule going to Baylor is somehow a slap in the face to Oregon. No its not, he can field a top notch team with 75 guys from Texas who didn't go to Bama, Texas, A&M, and OK. He sure can't do that at Oregon. And if they had hired Schiano the reaction would have been the same. Schiano is Mike Riley of Rutgers, except with one 11 win season that still was 2nd best in conference. He never won his conference, he never took Rutgers to a BCS bowl, he bombed in the NFL. Sound Familiar? Briles and Petrino have baggage. Harsin and Fleck are clowns that will eventually get exposed in a Major 5. They SHOULD have fired Helfrich last year and went hard after Fuentes. Hindsight being what it is. Hey don't look now, but I could see UCLA, AZ, and ASU all looking for new coaches next year. Who is out there for them? Right about now I'm happy CGA is at OSU. Edit...add Stanford to that list. I won't be surprised at all if David Shaw finally makes the leap to the NFL next season. I'm curious why you are negative on Fleck. I think the "row the boat" thing can be hokey, but I'm not sure what else you could say poorly about him. Per Phil Steele he had the MAC's #1 recruiting class in '14, '15, and '16 (2013 was his first season). They don't have a gimmick offense. This may be the best MAC team in my memory. NIU had a couple of good teams but I think those were based mostly on Jordan Lynch. Fleck's personal life may be a bit of a mess, but you could probably say that about a lot of head coaches. I was surprised he was not hired at Purdue, but maybe he turned that down because of divorce and three small kids? I wouldn't call Harsin a clown, but he is clearly a step down from Peterson. Obviously this is rumor town, so take it with a complete grain of salt, but people one /r/cfb were saying Fleck had an affair with a booster's wife and THAT is what cooled off his rise. not just a divorce per se, but they why he is getting a divorce. |
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