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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 8, 2016 19:04:55 GMT -8
"zero west coast ties"
GA was at Utah and Utah State for how many years? He had connections and ties to the west coast. And he's had/has more years in the west coast than Taggart.
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. People from Florida. |
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 8, 2016 21:09:50 GMT -8
"zero west coast ties"
GA was at Utah and Utah State for how many years? He had connections and ties to the west coast. And he's had/has more years in the west coast than Taggart.
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. Yep! And you pointed out Pac12 experience. Which wasn't the point the OP was making! Taggart has limited West Coast experience compared to GA. Regardless of your opinion of where Utah is. While coaching in Utah, GA recruited the west coast, thus has far more west coast experience in recruiting over Taggart. I will take a guy who had HC experience while recruiting the west, over a guy who was a running backs coach during his minimal time here.
Part of the reason GA came here was because he prefers the west coast. You think Taggart, a Florida guy is looking to settle down in the Northwest? Highly unlikely.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 8, 2016 23:32:55 GMT -8
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. Yep! And you pointed out Pac12 experience. Which wasn't the point the OP was making! Taggart has limited West Coast experience compared to GA. Regardless of your opinion of where Utah is. While coaching in Utah, GA recruited the west coast, thus has far more west coast experience in recruiting over Taggart. I will take a guy who had HC experience while recruiting the west, over a guy who was a running backs coach during his minimal time here.
Part of the reason GA came here was because he prefers the west coast. You think Taggart, a Florida guy is looking to settle down in the Northwest? Highly unlikely.
Whatever bud. OP said Taggart had no west coast ties. That was wrong. The location of Utah is NOT subject to anyone's opinion. Go ahead and look at a map. It would be more accurate to call Ohio the east coast than it would to call Utah the west coast. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 1:01:24 GMT -8
"zero west coast ties"
GA was at Utah and Utah State for how many years? He had connections and ties to the west coast. And he's had/has more years in the west coast than Taggart.
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. Sorry Kersting... gotta go with the other guys on this one. If you're gonna compare Taggart and Andersen's west coast ties/experience/whatever you wanna call it... it's not even close. Taggart spent 3 years as the Stanford RB coach, but the rest of his 16 year coaching career has been on the east coast. And other than the 2 seasons he spent at Wisconsin, Andersen has spent his entire 30 year coaching career on the west coast. And yes... Utah is considered one of the western states... or west coast of you wanna say it that way. At least that's what Google said. Bottom line is that Taggart is going to have to load up his coaching staff with West Coast guys to make up for his lack of experience/ties. And that's probably not going to be easy since most of the coaches he's worked with are east coast guys too. He's gonna have to sacrifice filling his staff with people he knows well and already has strong relationships with for total strangers. It's gonna take some time for them to gel. Next season could be a really rough one for ucks fans... and a lot of fun for Beavers. |
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Post by blackdagger on Dec 9, 2016 5:23:52 GMT -8
Jason Vondersmith of the Tribune had a pretty balanced take on this hire: portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/335395-215391-willie-taggart-to-oregon-what-does-this-mean-for-ducks"My initial take: This doesn't move the needle." I think most of us are underwhelmed - GOOD for us Beaver fans - but I for one am wary. I recall one of our conference rivals making a ho-hum hire that didn't really impress me, and Riley dusted him during that coach's first visit to Reser. The coach's name was Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. We know what happened to Stanford after that. If it's true that Taggart is a charismatic and effective recruiter, that he comes from the Harbaugh coaching tree, and given the resources that UO obviously has, then there is the potential for him to bring the Ducks back to power. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 9, 2016 6:30:42 GMT -8
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. Sorry Kersting... gotta go with the other guys on this one. If you're gonna compare Taggart and Andersen's west coast ties/experience/whatever you wanna call it... it's not even close. Taggart spent 3 years as the Stanford RB coach, but the rest of his 16 year coaching career has been on the east coast. And other than the 2 seasons he spent at Wisconsin, Andersen has spent his entire 30 year coaching career on the west coast. And yes... Utah is considered one of the western states... or west coast of you wanna say it that way. At least that's what Google said. Bottom line is that Taggart is going to have to load up his coaching staff with West Coast guys to make up for his lack of experience/ties. And that's probably not going to be easy since most of the coaches he's worked with are east coast guys too. He's gonna have to sacrifice filling his staff with people he knows well and already has strong relationships with for total strangers. It's gonna take some time for them to gel. Next season could be a really rough one for ucks fans... and a lot of fun for Beavers. C'mon, he's the head coach of OREGON! It's not like they didn't play for a national championship just 2 years ago. Oregon still has better facilities and resources than arguable 11 other Pac 12 schools. Oregon recruits itself. This regional recruiting debate IMO is way overplayed in modern day college football, particularly at upper echelon schools, which Oregon still is and always will be when they are injecting money into the program like they do. One, recruiting has gone national, and two social media has demolished regional ties. RichRod's had ZERO west coast ties before taking the AZ job. Sure his team is bad, but he's still killing it recruiting. Todd Graham, another Pac 12 coach with ZERO west coast coaching experience. Sonny Dykes had about the same WC ties as Taggert before being hired as Cal's coach. Let me put this another way, no HS football coach in CA, and certainly no player, is going to restrict access to Taggert because he only has 3 years experience coaching on the west coast. Oregon just hired him, do you think they don't understand they dynamics of recruiting? |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 9, 2016 10:32:54 GMT -8
I don't know anyone who refers to Utah or Utah State (especially in Utah's pre-Pac 12 days) as "west coast". And, I specifically mentioned that it was Pac-12 experience that Taggart had over GA. Pac-12 experience in a place that's actually on the west coast. The OP claimed Taggart had no west coast experience. Sorry Kersting... gotta go with the other guys on this one. If you're gonna compare Taggart and Andersen's west coast ties/experience/whatever you wanna call it... it's not even close. Taggart spent 3 years as the Stanford RB coach, but the rest of his 16 year coaching career has been on the east coast. And other than the 2 seasons he spent at Wisconsin, Andersen has spent his entire 30 year coaching career on the west coast. And yes... Utah is considered one of the western states... or west coast of you wanna say it that way. At least that's what Google said. Bottom line is that Taggart is going to have to load up his coaching staff with West Coast guys to make up for his lack of experience/ties. And that's probably not going to be easy since most of the coaches he's worked with are east coast guys too. He's gonna have to sacrifice filling his staff with people he knows well and already has strong relationships with for total strangers. It's gonna take some time for them to gel. Next season could be a really rough one for ucks fans... and a lot of fun for Beavers. We'll have to agree to disagree. OP said Taggart had no "west coast" ties. It's NOT up to debate that was untrue. If you want to believe that Utah (especially MWC era Utah) counts as a "west coast" job, that's fine, but I won't concede that. |
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 9, 2016 10:45:08 GMT -8
Sorry Kersting... gotta go with the other guys on this one. If you're gonna compare Taggart and Andersen's west coast ties/experience/whatever you wanna call it... it's not even close. Taggart spent 3 years as the Stanford RB coach, but the rest of his 16 year coaching career has been on the east coast. And other than the 2 seasons he spent at Wisconsin, Andersen has spent his entire 30 year coaching career on the west coast. And yes... Utah is considered one of the western states... or west coast of you wanna say it that way. At least that's what Google said. Bottom line is that Taggart is going to have to load up his coaching staff with West Coast guys to make up for his lack of experience/ties. And that's probably not going to be easy since most of the coaches he's worked with are east coast guys too. He's gonna have to sacrifice filling his staff with people he knows well and already has strong relationships with for total strangers. It's gonna take some time for them to gel. Next season could be a really rough one for ucks fans... and a lot of fun for Beavers. We'll have to agree to disagree. OP said Taggart had no "west coast" ties. It's NOT up to debate that was untrue. If you want to believe that Utah (especially MWC era Utah) counts as a "west coast" job, that's fine, but I won't concede that. Here is the OP sentence. There is a key word you seem to be missing... And to go with somebody with almost zero west coast ties. Head-scratcher.
The OP never said no west coast ties he said almost zero, which is fairly accurate. He was at Stanford for 3 years as a RB coach. Other than that, Western Kentucky and Florida for the last 7 years. Taggart's west coast experience is very limited, especially compared to GA (and every other current Pac12 coach, when they were hired). Look over Taggart's recruiting classes while at S FL. 95% of his players are from Florida with a few from MS and GA. I doubt he's been in a living room of a recruit west of the Mississippi since he left Stanford in 2009.
Now regarding Utah and it's location. Sure its not a true West Coast school. However, what you fail to realize here, or just cannot admit when you're wrong. Is that Utah recruits....THE WEST COAST!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, during his time at Utah and Utah St, guess where GA recruited heavily (and even did so some what at UW). If you said West Coast, you'd be correct!
So yes, you're right Taggart had more Pac10/12 experience over GA when hired. However, we are discussing west coast ties here and how that relates to recruiting. And for that, its clear to everyone else but you.
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 9, 2016 10:52:49 GMT -8
Sorry Kersting... gotta go with the other guys on this one. If you're gonna compare Taggart and Andersen's west coast ties/experience/whatever you wanna call it... it's not even close. Taggart spent 3 years as the Stanford RB coach, but the rest of his 16 year coaching career has been on the east coast. And other than the 2 seasons he spent at Wisconsin, Andersen has spent his entire 30 year coaching career on the west coast. And yes... Utah is considered one of the western states... or west coast of you wanna say it that way. At least that's what Google said. Bottom line is that Taggart is going to have to load up his coaching staff with West Coast guys to make up for his lack of experience/ties. And that's probably not going to be easy since most of the coaches he's worked with are east coast guys too. He's gonna have to sacrifice filling his staff with people he knows well and already has strong relationships with for total strangers. It's gonna take some time for them to gel. Next season could be a really rough one for ucks fans... and a lot of fun for Beavers. C'mon, he's the head coach of OREGON! It's not like they didn't play for a national championship just 2 years ago. Oregon still has better facilities and resources than arguable 11 other Pac 12 schools. Oregon recruits itself. This regional recruiting debate IMO is way overplayed in modern day college football, particularly at upper echelon schools, which Oregon still is and always will be when they are injecting money into the program like they do. One, recruiting has gone national, and two social media has demolished regional ties. RichRod's had ZERO west coast ties before taking the AZ job. Sure his team is bad, but he's still killing it recruiting. Todd Graham, another Pac 12 coach with ZERO west coast coaching experience. Sonny Dykes had about the same WC ties as Taggert before being hired as Cal's coach.
Let me put this another way, no HS football coach in CA, and certainly no player, is going to restrict access to Taggert because he only has 3 years experience coaching on the west coast. Oregon just hired him, do you think they don't understand they dynamics of recruiting? You might want to take a look at the players from California who played for Rich Rod in Michigan. And I would venture to guess Graham probably pulled in a few while at Tulsa, and Dykes as La Tech as well. I am not going to go look up their past recruiting classes, but I'd venture a guess there are few CA guys in each class for all of those guys prior to going to their respective schools.
And you're right, a coach probably isn't going to tell Taggart "NO", however they don't know him. So when a player asks his coach about him, or how former players have done under him, they won't know. No relationship. HS coaches relationships with College coaches are HUGE in regards to recruiting. Regardless of the facilities, Taggart is behind the 8ball here and will be for a bit, until he can establish those relationships. Also, FWIW, regardless of their amazing facilities, hole's best recruiting class was 9th a few years ago. You still have to sell So Cal kids on living in Eugene OR for 4-5 years. Its not always an easy sale. And hole doesn't always "sell itself" If that were true, the top 3 players in the state wouldn't be headed for UW and OSU. The facilities are great and might draw a kid in, but they still need to have that relationship with coaches, and those coaches still need to sell a kid on the school, program, etc.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 9, 2016 22:19:08 GMT -8
C'mon, he's the head coach of OREGON! It's not like they didn't play for a national championship just 2 years ago. Oregon still has better facilities and resources than arguable 11 other Pac 12 schools. Oregon recruits itself. This regional recruiting debate IMO is way overplayed in modern day college football, particularly at upper echelon schools, which Oregon still is and always will be when they are injecting money into the program like they do. One, recruiting has gone national, and two social media has demolished regional ties. RichRod's had ZERO west coast ties before taking the AZ job. Sure his team is bad, but he's still killing it recruiting. Todd Graham, another Pac 12 coach with ZERO west coast coaching experience. Sonny Dykes had about the same WC ties as Taggert before being hired as Cal's coach.
Let me put this another way, no HS football coach in CA, and certainly no player, is going to restrict access to Taggert because he only has 3 years experience coaching on the west coast. Oregon just hired him, do you think they don't understand they dynamics of recruiting? You might want to take a look at the players from California who played for Rich Rod in Michigan. And I would venture to guess Graham probably pulled in a few while at Tulsa, and Dykes as La Tech as well. I am not going to go look up their past recruiting classes, but I'd venture a guess there are few CA guys in each class for all of those guys prior to going to their respective schools.
And you're right, a coach probably isn't going to tell Taggart "NO", however they don't know him. So when a player asks his coach about him, or how former players have done under him, they won't know. No relationship. HS coaches relationships with College coaches are HUGE in regards to recruiting. Regardless of the facilities, Taggart is behind the 8ball here and will be for a bit, until he can establish those relationships. Also, FWIW, regardless of their amazing facilities, hole's best recruiting class was 9th a few years ago. You still have to sell So Cal kids on living in Eugene OR for 4-5 years. Its not always an easy sale. And hole doesn't always "sell itself" If that were true, the top 3 players in the state wouldn't be headed for UW and OSU. The facilities are great and might draw a kid in, but they still need to have that relationship with coaches, and those coaches still need to sell a kid on the school, program, etc.
Well, I get it now. Since even RichRod got California recruits while at Michigan, I guess EVERYBODY has west coast ties. Case closed. If you've ever recruited a guy from California, you're a west coast man! You are diluting your argument. Mike Riley recruited several players from Florida over his decade plus tenure. I guess that makes him a "Southeast" guy. Fair enough. |
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