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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2016 13:08:22 GMT -8
I will say this. That 2014 team was better than this 2016 team. Better offensively and better special teams play. Comparable defense. Much better defense when healthy. Much like this team, though, it was badly hurting for a good offensive coordinator. And both were riddled with injuries.
The highlight of the past three years was the win against #6 Arizona State. Is that more "satisfying" than a win over the worst Oregon team in the past 25 years? In my mind, yes, but others might disagree.
However, if you look at three games, I think the wins over Cal, Arizona, and Oregon in 2016 collectively were better than the wins over Hawai'i, Colorado, and Arizona State in 2016.
Overall, I would say that 2016 was more satisfying. The second half was certainly better.
Now, get an offensive coordinator and build on this season!
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Post by nabeav on Nov 30, 2016 13:48:25 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit - The ASU win in 2014 and the Civil War win in 2016 are pretty comparable in terms of satisfaction for me, but obviously for different reasons. That ASU game was a win over a top ten team that was completely unexpected given the results of the previous weeks (back to back home losses against bad Cal and Wazzu teams), and this year because...well because it's been 9 years since we beat the Ducks. The similarity in the two games to me is that in both games, Oregon State proved to be the tougher team in the elements - the frigid temps in 2014, and the rain in 2016. In 2014, the storyline was more about ASU's inability to cope, whereas in 2016 the storyline is "Man, those Beavs are WARRIORS." Oregon State is much better at selling itself now than it was two years ago.
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Post by cake on Nov 30, 2016 14:23:10 GMT -8
I will say this. That 2014 team was better than this 2016 team. In yards per play, 2014 and 2016 were really similar on both sides of the ball. Offense, yards gained per play. 2016 - 5.52 2014 - 5.57 Defense, yards allowed per play. 2016 - 5.76 2014 - 5.76 Before looking at these numbers, I'd have guessed that it's because we really slowed things down during the latter half of the season, but in terms of points per play, offense and defense were both significantly better in 2016. 2016 Offense points per 100 plays - 39.5 Defense points per 100 plays - 40.9 2014 Offense points per 100 plays - 36.3 Defense points per 100 plays - 44.7 Also, strength of schedule was way better this year. According to team rankings, #35 in the country this year, compared to 46th in 2014. This 2016 team was way better. |
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Post by ostate on Nov 30, 2016 14:48:47 GMT -8
I will say this. That 2014 team was better than this 2016 team. In yards per play, 2014 and 2016 were really similar on both sides of the ball. Offense, yards gained per play. 2016 - 5.52 2014 - 5.57 Defense, yards allowed per play. 2016 - 5.76 2014 - 5.76 Before looking at these numbers, I'd have guessed that it's because we really slowed things down during the latter half of the season, but in terms of points per play, offense and defense were both significantly better in 2016. 2016 Offense points per 100 plays - 39.5 Defense points per 100 plays - 40.9 2014 Offense points per 100 plays - 36.3 Defense points per 100 plays - 44.7 Also, strength of schedule was way better this year. According to team rankings, #35 in the country this year, compared to 46th in 2014. This 2016 team was way better. Take into account the SOS (Massey): 2014 - #51 2016 - #17 It's clear to me that the 2016 team was better... |
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 30, 2016 15:04:17 GMT -8
LOL, LOL, LOL...I pick #4!!!!!
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 30, 2016 16:07:14 GMT -8
This year's team had better results. We gave a much better WSU and WU teams one of the toughest games of their season, we won 3 Pac-12 games, we beat a Duck team that finally looked to be on the rebound after they beat a top 25 Utah squad on Utah's home turf, and we did it without a senior all Pac-12 NFL bound quarterback.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Nov 30, 2016 17:51:54 GMT -8
Although I picked 2016 over 2014 record, mainly because of the Civil War.......mba beav got one right in the close game against WSU but we got blown out by UW team that subbed in their 2nd string in the 2nd half so not sure why he calls it one of their toughest games lol. McM and Nall with the OL helped solidify this team late in the season. Without them, we would have only had 2 wins. Hope GA can continue to build this team up.
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 30, 2016 20:32:50 GMT -8
in 2014 you could see the beavs were in a downward spiral to the cellar which is totally different from now. Didn't 2014 have some major blowout losses where the team was physically dominated and humiliating?
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 30, 2016 21:56:50 GMT -8
Three memories from 2014 that I can't erase
UW completely dominating a Beaver team that looked like it didn't want to be there.
USC dancing to "crank it like a chainsaw" while curbstomping an uninspired home team.
The Beaver defense looking at Banker on the sideline for direction while WSU runs a play and scores uncontested from about 50yds out.
From my seat, we are trending in the right direction!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 30, 2016 22:07:45 GMT -8
Three memories from 2014 that I can't erase UW completely dominating a Beaver team that looked like it didn't want to be there. USC dancing to "crank it like a chainsaw" while curbstomping an uninspired home team. The Beaver defense looking at Banker on the sideline for direction while WSU runs a play and scores from about 50yds out. From my seat, we are trending in the right direction! Go Beavs!! Bingo, You knew that riley was a dead man walking with that WSU game. That was more disgusting than the 70's and 80's for me |
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Post by seastape on Dec 1, 2016 0:23:51 GMT -8
This year's win over the yucks alone makes it a better year than 2014. Rivalry games are huge. The win over ASU in 2014? Excellent in the moment, but relatively meaningless over the season as it turned out to be a fluke (as were many of the upsets under the previous coach) instead of an indicator that the team was going places.
2014 was also Mannion's last year and I (and many others) were wondering what we were going to do now. We were hoping that the coach at the time would turn the front-runner for the position into a Pac 12 caliber QB. That coach had an outstanding track record of doing so, but new QBs in his system usually took a year or two to adjust and it was unlikely that the frontrunner QB, who later transferred, would be ready to go at a high level as only a sophomore under the old coach's system. The tools around that coach were also somewhat bleak: Bolden was a receiver we were hoping would improve. Mullaney had not yet proven himself and at that point could be fairly labeled injury prone. None of the RBs looked like 1000 yard-rusher types and TE Hamlett was graduating (although at that point, there was high hopes for C. Smith). All in all, it looked like we were going to take a step back on offense. James Pensyl as our lone recruit at QB at the time the previous coach left did not inspire a lot of confidence in the offensive future, either (although I did look up Pensly and discovered that he went 2-for-2 this year in limited action).
We were also losing chunks of our playmakers on defense, including DBs Nelson and Murphy, LBs Doctor, Alexander and Johsnson, and DLs Wynn, Hautau and Delva. Wynn was a big loss and Hautau and Delva were solid contributors. At the time, our D was, as per usual, relying on smoke and mirrors to a great extent at the DT position, especially when depth was considered.
And let's be frank: it is questionable whether the DC at the time was keeping up with the current trends on the offensive side of the ball.
All in all, that 5-7 record, which ended with blowout losses to the hated yucks and huskies, left little room for hope in the upcoming year, especially considering the talent that was leaving. It looked like a rebuilding year for 2015. Rebuilding off a 5-7 year? Not a lot of roses and sunshine ahead...
Contrast that with this year when we have one less win but finished the season strong and a solid win over the green slime that spews forth from Eugene. We have a QB who got better and better as the season wore on and he was given first string reps. We have a beast at RB and at least capable, if not more, as backups. WR has some talent and the recruiting is looking good at that position. OL is a question mark, but injuries have increased experience there at least for some depth.
Our D had a lot of first year players this year and also improved as the year progressed. It looks like Aydon and Vakameilalo can actually work as the nose on the odd front and some guys emerged at the end spots as well. Out of necessity, a lot of guys on D got a lot of playing time this year and that will help at depth in the end.
All in all, the team got better as the year progressed and the players look hungry for more. I think things are looking up, which also makes this year a whole lot better than 2014. |
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Post by steinlager on Dec 1, 2016 8:02:34 GMT -8
The only good memory generated from 2014 was the ASU win at home. A veteran team suffering humiliating home losses to teams OSU had been beating consistently left little optimism for the future.
4-8 in 2016 is so much better than 5-7 in 2014.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 1, 2016 9:01:45 GMT -8
4-8 and Beaver Nation is geeked. Party like it's 1988!
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Post by scottgrad on Dec 1, 2016 9:16:18 GMT -8
4-8 and Beaver Nation is geeked. Party like it's 1988! A 4-8 record is nothing to get excited about, but it's the direction that is worth getting excited about. Are you unable to make the distinction? |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 1, 2016 10:14:07 GMT -8
scottgrad - I totally get it. I was merely pointing out the last time OSU was excited about finishing 4-8.
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