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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 8:39:54 GMT -8
Sigh. Once again we point to a "negative" stat for Riley in year two of a complete system overhaul at Nebraska as a detriment for him, but god forbid you say anything about the difficulties we have at OSU for fear you get shouted down about "wait until GA gets HIS players to run HIS system" or some nonsense about how hard the players are playing. I agree in part, but feel there has been a marked uptick in intensity. I appreciate the aggression. Running around really fast with a mean face on, yet doing the wrong thing, is not an improvement. Yelling a war cry before you drop your head, leave you feet and miss your tackle isn't making us better. Just sayin'...
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 8:56:38 GMT -8
I agree in part, but feel there has been a marked uptick in intensity. I appreciate the aggression. Running around really fast with a mean face on, yet doing the wrong thing, is not an improvement. Yelling a war cry before you drop your head, leave you feet and miss your tackle isn't making us better. Just sayin'... But laying the wood like Chappel, Bright, Hungalu do does. Also the aggressive coverage by DeCoud (who is also an excellent tackler) and Crawford is welcome by me. You can teach players to fix the things you reference, but you can't teach aggression and intensity.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 9:07:41 GMT -8
Running around really fast with a mean face on, yet doing the wrong thing, is not an improvement. Yelling a war cry before you drop your head, leave you feet and miss your tackle isn't making us better. Just sayin'... But laying the wood like Chappel, Bright, Hungalu do does. Also the aggressive coverage by DeCoud (who is also an excellent tackler) and Crawford is welcome by me. You can teach players to fix the things you reference, but you can't teach aggression and intensity. Don't get me wrong... I love me a hard hitting defense. I do. But I love a defense that tackles first. Chappell, Bright, Hungalu all look to lay the boom first and foremost. they do not look to make the sure tackle. I have a huge problem with that. Bright and Hungalu are some of the worse offenders too. they would have about double the TFL numbers if they would use their arms in tackling. that is my point. honestly who on earth gives a crap if 1 in 20 tackles are HUGE, gasping, sportcenter hits, when all the other ones the ball carriers spins away and still gets the first down? Oh sweet, we gave up another 80 yard ball control, clock killing drive, but that one time on 2nd down, we came in and just BLEW THAT DUDE UP! awesome, on 3rd down, like 3 people missed and they kept the drive alive. that just ain't smart football. it is not. I don't care that we are in the backfield a lot or whatever, I don't care that we are hitting guys before the LOS. I care that we do not finish. close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. As for Decoud, you called it, he tackles well. So does Crawford. It isn't just being aggressive, they are good players. Our entire secondary is a bit of a surprise for me. but most of our LB core need a boot camp in how to tackle!
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 14, 2016 10:26:50 GMT -8
Running around really fast with a mean face on, yet doing the wrong thing, is not an improvement. Yelling a war cry before you drop your head, leave you feet and miss your tackle isn't making us better. Just sayin'... But laying the wood like Chappel, Bright, Hungalu do does. Also the aggressive coverage by DeCoud (who is also an excellent tackler) and Crawford is welcome by me. You can teach players to fix the things you reference, but you can't teach aggression and intensity. So then you're saying that the current staff really had zero to do with this very subjective, cant be measured increase in intensity? And, FYI, we had plenty of guys who laid the wood even in MRs last two years. Just not enough, similar to what you see now. We're giving up about 260 yds a game on the ground (Pac 12)... and worse than last year ovrrall I believe... that's not tough by any measure.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 14, 2016 10:35:08 GMT -8
Riley's offense is also running the ball at a 60% clip, which is probably the exact opposite of his last few years at OS.
He's coaching to win football games, not put up big offensive #s. I'd say he's a pretty good job of it this year too.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 10:46:04 GMT -8
Riley's offense is also running the ball at a 60% clip, which is probably the exact opposite of his last few years at OS. He's coaching to win football games, not put up big offensive #s. I'd say he's a pretty good job of it this year too. it is also the power of an outlier game. Ohio State was a turd game for Nebraska. Toss out that performance and Nebraska is scoring 24.5 in conference and their defense is giving up 17.5 Add back in Ohio State and yup, 21.9 in conference scoring and defense is giving up 23.9! clearly that is the stat line of a losing team! or not... Fun fact that OP did not post. Oregon State is scoring 22.0 points in conference. Except we are 2-8 right now. not, uh, 8-2. The big difference is our fast, intense and mean-faced defense is giving up 35.7 points per game in conference.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 11:29:24 GMT -8
But laying the wood like Chappel, Bright, Hungalu do does. Also the aggressive coverage by DeCoud (who is also an excellent tackler) and Crawford is welcome by me. You can teach players to fix the things you reference, but you can't teach aggression and intensity. Don't get me wrong... I love me a hard hitting defense. I do. But I love a defense that tackles first. Chappell, Bright, Hungalu all look to lay the boom first and foremost. they do not look to make the sure tackle. I have a huge problem with that. Bright and Hungalu are some of the worse offenders too. they would have about double the TFL numbers if they would use their arms in tackling. that is my point. honestly who on earth gives a crap if 1 in 20 tackles are HUGE, gasping, sportcenter hits, when all the other ones the ball carriers spins away and still gets the first down? Oh sweet, we gave up another 80 yard ball control, clock killing drive, but that one time on 2nd down, we came in and just BLEW THAT DUDE UP! awesome, on 3rd down, like 3 people missed and they kept the drive alive. that just ain't smart football. it is not. I don't care that we are in the backfield a lot or whatever, I don't care that we are hitting guys before the LOS. I care that we do not finish. close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. As for Decoud, you called it, he tackles well. So does Crawford. It isn't just being aggressive, they are good players. Our entire secondary is a bit of a surprise for me. but most of our LB core need a boot camp in how to tackle! "But I love a defense that tackles first. Chappell, Bright, Hungalu all look to lay the boom first and foremost. they do not look to make the sure tackle. I have a huge problem with that. Bright and Hungalu are some of the worse offenders too. they would have about double the TFL numbers if they would use their arms in tackling." I agree with you on this. I guess my point is that those are things that you can teach. And I have faith that this coaching staff will do just that. Hence my optimism. But as big of a Coach Riley supporter as I am, my opinion is there was something missing the last few years. I asked a few times on P-O who are big hitters were without answer. After Afalava, DJ Welchexander, they were hard to find. I felt we lacked intensity all around. The illegal hit on Quizz on our sideline that drew no reaction from our entire team, the play a couple years ago also against WSU and first time starter Falk right before half when the D was just standing around and the receiver ran by everyone and Falk hit him with a TD pass as we all stood around watching, things like that. There was no enforcer. There was very little aggression. There was also bad tackling then. That's all I was trying to say. The attitude seems 180 different, even in these tough losses. That's all. Coaches need to coach them and we'll be pretty good on defense.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 14, 2016 11:30:49 GMT -8
But laying the wood like Chappel, Bright, Hungalu do does. Also the aggressive coverage by DeCoud (who is also an excellent tackler) and Crawford is welcome by me. You can teach players to fix the things you reference, but you can't teach aggression and intensity. So then you're saying that the current staff really had zero to do with this very subjective, cant be measured increase in intensity? And, FYI, we had plenty of guys who laid the wood even in MRs last two years. Just not enough, similar to what you see now. We're giving up about 260 yds a game on the ground (Pac 12)... and worse than last year ovrrall I believe... that's not tough by any measure. Not saying anything of the kind. I think they did, either through recruiting or expectations I'm not sure.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2016 11:43:14 GMT -8
What are you talking about? You 'Andersen skeptics' have never been on board. The skeptics had the patience of Job with the prior coach,but bitch and moan about every thing with Andersen. Yeah totally, GA took a team regularly going to toilet BOWL Games like LV Vegas and completly turned 180 degres attitude wise. Man this is like a dream. I'm loving it. What 5 wins in 2 Seasons? Each one so tasty don't need too many. AWESOME. Dominating. 4 wins in 2 seasons..........unless you know something.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2016 12:01:39 GMT -8
He was forced to play Leaf. Nuff said. He also wanted to draft Tom Brady in the sixth round in 2000, but the GM Bobby Beathard told Riley that "Brady wasn't good enough." The Chargers ultimately drafted Florida A&M's JaJuan Seider. That is, of course, after Riley attempted to recruit Brady to USC but could not because Robinson already had recruited John Fox (who finished his career as a LB) and Quincy Woods (who finished his career as a WR). The previous staff had also traded away San Diego's first round draft picks in 1999 and 2000. Riley's 2001 draft's first two picks were Tomlinson (pick 5 in round 1) and Brees (pick 32 in round 2).
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 14, 2016 12:03:00 GMT -8
Should we create a Mike Riley board?
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 14, 2016 12:38:51 GMT -8
Should we create a Mike Riley board? Then we could have all of these fresh hot takes in one spot? Yes please! Make sure to add the LDR sub board for all things Luuuuuke.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 14, 2016 12:40:32 GMT -8
Should we create a Mike Riley board? Then we could have all of these fresh hot takes in one spot? Yes please! Make sure to add the LDR sub board for all things Luuuuuke. It would take a full time moderator to move all the Riley and LDR posts to the "Ghosts of OSU Past" Board.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 14, 2016 13:19:37 GMT -8
I'm fine with a Mike Riley Board, but for all the bellyaching people do about some of us "living in the past" or whatever, I don't think one person who can be thought of as "pro-Riley" has started a thread extolling his successes this season. It's been the anti Riley people launching flamethrowers like "We are gonna have to hear OSU bashing on Gameday because Nebraska is going to be 7-0" or "How'd St. Mike do vs. Wisconsin?" or "how can a coach that loses 62-3 be seen as a good coach?" or this thread, saying he's not scoring enough in his 5-2 conference start....as if people would be upset if we were 5-2 with a bunch of 10-7 wins. There's a lot of people telling others to let go of the past, then bringing it up themselves.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2016 13:26:19 GMT -8
Then we could have all of these fresh hot takes in one spot? Yes please! Make sure to add the LDR sub board for all things Luuuuuke. It would take a full time moderator to move all the Riley and LDR posts to the "Ghosts of OSU Past" Board. Before we do that, can we discuss whether Oregon State can put a National Championship banner up for 1941 in football? The yearbook named the Beavers champions based on their win over #2 Duke. Oregon State lodged the biggest win of the bowl season, a 20-16 win over undefeated and untied Duke. Fordham beat Missouri 2-0 in the Sugar Bowl. Two-loss and #20-ranked Alabama upset #9 Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl 29-21 to claim a national championship. Why doesn't two-loss and #12 Oregon State, who upset #2 Duke in Durham, claim a national championship as well? Any thoughts?
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