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Post by beavadelic on Oct 28, 2016 13:14:22 GMT -8
News Flash: Quizz, Steven Jackson, Brandin Cooks all "dumped us" to go take on a new challenge. Guess we need to stop following their careers and not appreciate them either. Only difference, those players didn't have people wanting then "fired" when they took the opportunity! Get off my lawn! Another difference, those players were also NOT making ~$1.5 million a year at OSU. Your comparison is so "apple to oranges" it's laughable. Laugh all you want, oh sage message board guru! So what should we contend about a coach who is making almost 1 million more per and given resources for assistants that Riley couldn't dream of? If Riley hurt your precious feelings leaving before people like you could see him get fired, that's a you thing. Your response is odd for a board administrator. There was nothing negative about anyone in the program in my post - quite the opposite, and devildog is the one who fired the shot! |
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 28, 2016 13:23:00 GMT -8
I didn't think it possible. But I'm a Nebraska fan. Go Big Red. As for the Aw shucks Riley thing, the folksy down home character whom just happens to be a former NFL head coach, former CFL head coach, and Division I head coach for nearly 20 years. It's sorta like that line from Singles....I think that A you have an act, and B, not having an act, is your act. You watch him on TV or in a press conference and sorta think to yourself, I don't get it. But spend more than 10 minutes around the guy and Aw Shucks is nowhere to be seen. It's clear he is a commanding presence, he's confident, he's extremely respected by his peers, assistants, and players (or mostly). You don't last as long in his crazy biz not being that. First ever Singles reference on a Beaver message board. I approve. A compliment for us is a compliment for you.Seriously though - few years back I went to the weeknight Beaver radio show thing (Parker, Riley, a couple players were there).. Can't remember where I was now.. - Flattail? Anyhow, Riley comes in with Dee, his daughter is there, he's holding the grandbaby. Looks like he hasn't slept in about a month. Looks like he's been wearing the same clothes for 11 days. Yet here he was after the show was over, going from table to table at 9pm on a Wednesday night or whatever it was, baby in hand, shaking hands, thanking each and every person for coming out to support the team, making small talk - especially with some of the regulars in attendance. I remember thinking - I bet that jackass Chip Kelly doesn't do that. Not always my favorite coach, but one of my favorite people. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 28, 2016 13:31:22 GMT -8
Another difference, those players were also NOT making ~$1.5 million a year at OSU. Your comparison is so "apple to oranges" it's laughable. Laugh all you want, oh sage message board guru! So what should we contend about a coach who is making almost 1 million more per and given resources for assistants that Riley couldn't dream of? If Riley hurt your precious feelings leaving before people like you could see him get fired, that's a you thing. Your response is odd for a board administrator. There was nothing negative about anyone in the program in my post - quite the opposite, and devildog is the one who fired the shot! To be fair, DerGolve has at least been consistent in his Mediocre Mike schtick, since before Riley left the program. |
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 28, 2016 13:42:42 GMT -8
Laugh all you want, oh sage message board guru! So what should we contend about a coach who is making almost 1 million more per and given resources for assistants that Riley couldn't dream of? If Riley hurt your precious feelings leaving before people like you could see him get fired, that's a you thing. Your response is odd for a board administrator. There was nothing negative about anyone in the program in my post - quite the opposite, and devildog is the one who fired the shot! To be fair, DerGolve has at least been consistent in his Mediocre Mike schtick, since before Riley left the program. I do want to apologize to the Glove for striking back at his response. I need to be better than that. I also appreciate that he got this board going. I just felt that he missed my point, or had an agenda of his own in the response. My only point was that it's OK - even appropriate for OSU fans to continue following members of the Beaver family. It is also perfectly fine to have a different opinion on a message board. It''a when a poster demeans someone else for thinking differently that it bugs me. My sarcasm played right into that! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 28, 2016 13:44:52 GMT -8
I didn't think it possible. But I'm a Nebraska fan. Go Big Red. As for the Aw shucks Riley thing, the folksy down home character whom just happens to be a former NFL head coach, former CFL head coach, and Division I head coach for nearly 20 years. It's sorta like that line from Singles....I think that A you have an act, and B, not having an act, is your act. You watch him on TV or in a press conference and sorta think to yourself, I don't get it. But spend more than 10 minutes around the guy and Aw Shucks is nowhere to be seen. It's clear he is a commanding presence, he's confident, he's extremely respected by his peers, assistants, and players (or mostly). You don't last as long in his crazy biz not being that. First ever Singles reference on a Beaver message board. I approve. A compliment for us is a compliment for you.Seriously though - few years back I went to the weeknight Beaver radio show thing (Parker, Riley, a couple players were there).. Can't remember where I was now.. - Flattail? Anyhow, Riley comes in with Dee, his daughter is there, he's holding the grandbaby. Looks like he hasn't slept in about a month. Looks like he's been wearing the same clothes for 11 days. Yet here he was after the show was over, going from table to table at 9pm on a Wednesday night or whatever it was, baby in hand, shaking hands, thanking each and every person for coming out to support the team, making small talk - especially with some of the regulars in attendance. I remember thinking - I bet that jackass Chip Kelly doesn't do that. Not always my favorite coach, but one of my favorite people. Haha I gotta rent that movie and watch it again, my VCR tape doesn't fit in the Blue Ray machine. My wife and I are going to see TOTD in San Fran in two weeks to relive 91-92 for a night, I might even buy a pair of Doc Martin boots at goodwill to fully get into the moment. Your last line sums up my feelings about Riley to a T. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 28, 2016 14:50:38 GMT -8
To be fair, DerGolve has at least been consistent in his Mediocre Mike schtick, since before Riley left the program. I do want to apologize to the Glove for striking back at his response. I need to be better than that. I also appreciate that he got this board going. I just felt that he missed my point, or had an agenda of his own in the response. My only point was that it's OK - even appropriate for OSU fans to continue following members of the Beaver family. It is also perfectly fine to have a different opinion on a message board. It''a when a poster demeans someone else for thinking differently that it bugs me. My sarcasm played right into that! Thanks for back tracking a bit on your earlier comment to me. My point doesn't have anything to do with Riley and how he left. I was trying to point out the difference between a player leaving early for the NFL (you brought up Quizz, Cooks, and SJ) and a coach leaving for the NFL or another program. Apples to oranges in my eyes. Both parties are leaving to better their situation, but it is totally different for the players. I think it is very arguable that DI players are not compensated fairly. Yes they get schollies, room/board, training, etc., but they are also putting their bodies and minds through a great deal of punishment. I never blame a kid for going pro. Yes, some do it prematurely or for the wrong reasons. Whereas coaches are free to leave, student/athletes have much less flexibility. Earlier in this thread, I wished MR well and hoped he wins it all. Nothing but positives. It was time for MR to go, and he's found himself in a better position. Good for him, and I don't begrudge people following him and rooting for him at Nebraska. I'd watch the UW/UN game tomorrow if I could. Other posters in this thread expressed their opinions of the article and your original post. Try not to lump me in with them as I was only taking issue of your comparison of players and coaches leaving. Peace! Go Beavs!!!! |
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 28, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -8
I do want to apologize to the Glove for striking back at his response. I need to be better than that. I also appreciate that he got this board going. I just felt that he missed my point, or had an agenda of his own in the response. My only point was that it's OK - even appropriate for OSU fans to continue following members of the Beaver family. It is also perfectly fine to have a different opinion on a message board. It''a when a poster demeans someone else for thinking differently that it bugs me. My sarcasm played right into that! Thanks for back tracking a bit on your earlier comment to me. My point doesn't have anything to do with Riley and how he left. I was trying to point out the difference between a player leaving early for the NFL (you brought up Quizz, Cooks, and SJ) and a coach leaving for the NFL or another program. Apples to oranges in my eyes. Both parties are leaving to better their situation, but it is totally different for the players. I think it is very arguable that DI players are not compensated fairly. Yes they get schollies, room/board, training, etc., but they are also putting their bodies and minds through a great deal of punishment. I never blame a kid for going pro. Yes, some do it prematurely or for the wrong reasons. Whereas coaches are free to leave, student/athletes have much less flexibility. Earlier in this thread, I wished MR well and hoped he wins it all. Nothing but positives. It was time for MR to go, and he's found himself in a better position. Good for him, and I don't begrudge people following him and rooting for him at Nebraska. I'd watch the UW/UN game tomorrow if I could. Other posters in this thread expressed their opinions of the article and your original post. Try not to lump me in with them as I was only taking issue of your comparison of players and coaches leaving. Peace! Go Beavs!!!! I appreciate that - I'm with you, I never begrudge a kid for leaving early, even though sometimes I really believe they'd be better served with another year of college ball. Doesn't matter what I think though....who am I to judge a kid for making what could be the right financial move for him, especially running backs. They have a finite number of carries in them, and if they can get paid, they should! |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 28, 2016 15:17:18 GMT -8
Leaving OSU was good for him and good for the beavs. As of today, I'm pretty sure that this cannot be supported by facts. I know a lot of fans wanted him gone, but there isn't an objective measure in which the program is currently in better shape than when Riley left. That said, I'm on board with Andersen's "process". I'm still at all the games, giving my contributions, watching the Beavs, and buying OSU gear, rooting for wins, looking for signs of progress more than signs of failure, etc. Other than making some of the fan-base happy, I'm not sure exactly how Riley leaving has been "good for the beavs". Yet. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 28, 2016 17:37:50 GMT -8
Leaving OSU was good for him and good for the beavs. As of today, I'm pretty sure that this cannot be supported by facts. I know a lot of fans wanted him gone, but there isn't an objective measure in which the program is currently in better shape than when Riley left. That said, I'm on board with Andersen's "process". I'm still at all the games, giving my contributions, watching the Beavs, and buying OSU gear, rooting for wins, looking for signs of progress more than signs of failure, etc. Other than making some of the fan-base happy, I'm not sure exactly how Riley leaving has been "good for the beavs". Yet. I agree with almost everything you said. There is one objective measure...kind of. MR's departure forced the University, athletic department, and boosters hand. They responded with a new found financial support and commitment to the program. I say kind of above because the increased support is real and measurable, but so far the net result of that increased investment has been a lot more money going out the window for coaches, no measurable improvement in recruiting, a lot less productive offense, and fewer wins. I'm all for GA getting at least 5 years as HC. What I would have liked to see is lower assistant base contracts riddled with incentive bonuses instead. Meet the production incentive, earn more money up to what they're getting now as a base. I'd even be happy if the incentives, had there been any, were based on reasonably low measures at first and then grew by season for the length of the coaches contract to make them obtainable with a solid coaching effort. |
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Post by biggieorange on Oct 28, 2016 17:38:02 GMT -8
And frankly it is more interesting to follow Nebraska Football than anything happening on Saturdays in Corvallis this year. I mean I don't really care if Neb wins or loses it has no real effect on me, but I have watched 4 complete games or so this season of Nebraska football to really 3 full OSU games and a few parts of some others. The games have mostly been close and come down to the 4th quarter. Neb has some interesting athletes. I still care more about the OSU win/loss, but the games are dreadfully boring and or depressing to actually watch. I like a defensive struggle as much as the next guy, but OSU offense is so cringe worthy this year I just won't subject myself to the train-wreck that is McGiven-Woods offense. And I am being generous when I say train wreck, because in my option at least a train wreck happens quickly. I have even made up new names for our no name offense after the Utah week; started calling it the RunNPoop or Spread Toxin (current favorite). I also considered Bear Bait (as the only team that has fallen for it) and the West Toast Offense (second runner up). IT BURNS, IT BURNS, -----IT HURTS MY EYES! My submissions: Punt, Pass, and Kick-off return The wish-moan The Sprained-option Someone should start a poll for these because any Record Setting Offense needs a name |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 28, 2016 17:51:42 GMT -8
I didn't think it possible. But I'm a Nebraska fan. Go Big Red. As for the Aw shucks Riley thing, the folksy down home character whom just happens to be a former NFL head coach, former CFL head coach, and Division I head coach for nearly 20 years. It's sorta like that line from Singles....I think that A you have an act, and B, not having an act, is your act. You watch him on TV or in a press conference and sorta think to yourself, I don't get it. But spend more than 10 minutes around the guy and Aw Shucks is nowhere to be seen. It's clear he is a commanding presence, he's confident, he's extremely respected by his peers, assistants, and players (or mostly). You don't last as long in his crazy biz not being that. A band-wagon husker fan....sickening. Why? Because they are WINNING? No different than neo-uckfan. Please, change your moniker to "lvWHOeveriswinningatthetime." Thank-you |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 28, 2016 18:44:29 GMT -8
Yes. Great article on a great man, and a fine football coach. I would WANT my sons/grandsons to play for Mike Riley. They would learn MORE than how to win football games. Unfortunately/fortunately/whatever...., Mike is no longer the coach here at OSU...so, let's, PLEASE...PLEASE give Gary Andersen our support until he no longer deserves it. Please.
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 28, 2016 18:48:50 GMT -8
I didn't think it possible. But I'm a Nebraska fan. Go Big Red. As for the Aw shucks Riley thing, the folksy down home character whom just happens to be a former NFL head coach, former CFL head coach, and Division I head coach for nearly 20 years. It's sorta like that line from Singles....I think that A you have an act, and B, not having an act, is your act. You watch him on TV or in a press conference and sorta think to yourself, I don't get it. But spend more than 10 minutes around the guy and Aw Shucks is nowhere to be seen. It's clear he is a commanding presence, he's confident, he's extremely respected by his peers, assistants, and players (or mostly). You don't last as long in his crazy biz not being that. A band-wagon husker fan....sickening. Why? Because they are WINNING? No different than neo-uckfan. Please, change your moniker to "lvWHOeveriswinningatthetime." Thank-you "band-wagon" That's a gross mischaracterization on your part and one not supported by anything he said in his post. "because they're winning". Where did you come up with that. He was a fan of MR, stayed a loyal so therefore that means the byproduct is becoming a Nebraska fan. There's a long list of former Beaver players and current Beaver fans who this can be said of. Your comparison to hole fan is ridiculous. Staying a loyal fan of MR's is the exact opposite of a "band-wagon" hole fan. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 28, 2016 19:22:49 GMT -8
A band-wagon husker fan....sickening. Why? Because they are WINNING? No different than neo-uckfan. Please, change your moniker to "lvWHOeveriswinningatthetime." Thank-you "band-wagon" That's a gross mischaracterization on your part and one not supported by anything he said in his post. "because they're winning". Where did you come up with that. He was a fan of MR, stayed a loyal so therefore that means the byproduct is becoming a Nebraska fan. There's a long list of former Beaver players and current Beaver fans who this can be said of. Your comparison to hole fan is ridiculous. Staying a loyal fan of MR's is the exact opposite of a "band-wagon" hole fan. You may be right......I TIRE of the MR/GA comparisons. It does NOTHING to further BeaverNation. HuskerNation?.....Meh. I don't give a damn... |
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 28, 2016 19:44:38 GMT -8
"band-wagon" That's a gross mischaracterization on your part and one not supported by anything he said in his post. "because they're winning". Where did you come up with that. He was a fan of MR, stayed a loyal so therefore that means the byproduct is becoming a Nebraska fan. There's a long list of former Beaver players and current Beaver fans who this can be said of. Your comparison to hole fan is ridiculous. Staying a loyal fan of MR's is the exact opposite of a "band-wagon" hole fan. You may be right......I TIRE of the MR/GA comparisons. It does NOTHING to further BeaverNation. HuskerNation?.....Meh. I don't give a damn... Where was the GA comparison he made, I missed it? I see no problem with wanting both to succeed. If and when the day comes they face each other on the field then we'll cross that bridge and test loyalties. Until then I see no problem discussing either one in a positive light, entirely independent of the other and without it being any type of jab at the other. I like jerky. You wouldn't liken me to a hole band wagoner if I told you I like steak too. Would you? lol |
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