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Post by korculabeav on Nov 2, 2024 14:44:54 GMT -8
That’s all they got. Gonzaga >>>>>> GCU. Not going to disagree, but maybe we should finalize our conference membership before we spout off about anyone else. Elitism is ugly whether it is the SEC, or the PAC7, PAC8, or ? Seems a little hypocritical to me. Maybe you are right. But Gloria is a spiteful, belligerent commish and her behavior over the last year deserves criticism and ribbing.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 2, 2024 15:22:15 GMT -8
Not going to disagree, but maybe we should finalize our conference membership before we spout off about anyone else. Elitism is ugly whether it is the SEC, or the PAC7, PAC8, or ? Seems a little hypocritical to me. Maybe you are right. But Gloria is a spiteful, belligerent commish and her behavior over the last year deserves criticism and ribbing. And our conference isn’t spiteful for other conferences taking our teams? Hypocritical.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Nov 2, 2024 15:44:55 GMT -8
Gives kids a place to play, and fans a team/conference to root for--Same as any other school. JMO. Maybe not for long though. That's alot of expense and very little chance of a good media deal. Sure. But things that we never thought would happen have happened. Let's wait and see.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Nov 2, 2024 16:32:25 GMT -8
Maybe not for long though. That's alot of expense and very little chance of a good media deal. Sure. But things that we never thought would happen have happened. Let's wait and see. That's mostly been thinking it would be positive though unfortunately.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 4, 2024 10:20:20 GMT -8
Is there anyone who doesn't seriously believe Gloria is A) bitter and B) just trying to match whatever strategy the Pac-12 is trying to do? Offers people we might have interest in (Texas St, etc.)... tries to use our money against us...now appears to be trying to put together a basketball conference as well. Good luck w/ UTEP. I'm glad they took GCU. Removes any chance the Pac-12 would invite them. We don't need any more basketball-only schools, there are none remaining (outside of UConn as a full member, and that isn't happening) that add any real value.
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Post by 93beav on Nov 4, 2024 10:59:18 GMT -8
Is there anyone who doesn't seriously believe Gloria is A) bitter and B) just trying to match whatever strategy the Pac-12 is trying to do? Offers people we might have interest in (Texas St, etc.)... tries to use our money against us...now appears to be trying to put together a basketball conference as well. Good luck w/ UTEP. I'm glad they took GCU. Removes any chance the Pac-12 would invite them. We don't need any more basketball-only schools, there are none remaining (outside of UConn as a full member, and that isn't happening) that add any real value. Dunno...I'd be willing to take more basketball-only schools if they are top 10% and if they move the needle on a basketball-only media deal. I mean, you want enough quality players that someone like TNT could buy a package and get a marquee game every week.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 5, 2024 10:19:52 GMT -8
I'm glad they took GCU. Removes any chance the Pac-12 would invite them. We don't need any more basketball-only schools, there are none remaining (outside of UConn as a full member, and that isn't happening) that add any real value. Dunno...I'd be willing to take more basketball-only schools if they are top 10% and if they move the needle on a basketball-only media deal. I mean, you want enough quality players that someone like TNT could buy a package and get a marquee game every week. Which is why I said, take UConn as a full member. No other schools move the basketball needle. Very few outside of Arizona have ever heard of Grand Canyon University, which is 200 miles away from the Grand Canyon. Using that logic we could call OSU Multnomah Falls State University.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 5, 2024 11:44:45 GMT -8
Dunno...I'd be willing to take more basketball-only schools if they are top 10% and if they move the needle on a basketball-only media deal. I mean, you want enough quality players that someone like TNT could buy a package and get a marquee game every week. Which is why I said, take UConn as a full member. No other schools move the basketball needle. Very few outside of Arizona have ever heard of Grand Canyon University, which is 200 miles away from the Grand Canyon. Using that logic we could call OSU Multnomah Falls State University. To be fair to Grand Canyon University, it was originally in Prescott, which is about 91 miles from the Grand Canyon. Prescott and Prescott Valley combined have 92,612 people. It is the closest city of that size to the Grand Canyon.
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Post by bennyskid on Nov 5, 2024 11:48:54 GMT -8
Which is why I said, take UConn as a full member. No other schools move the basketball needle. Very few outside of Arizona have ever heard of Grand Canyon University, which is 200 miles away from the Grand Canyon. Using that logic we could call OSU Multnomah Falls State University.
Or call a school in Stockton "University of Pacific". Or Chicago, "Northwestern". Or call a school that's further east than Reno, NV, "Cal-Western" Or a school in SW Ohio "Central State".
Any others?
I also just learned that there is both a Florida International University AND a Florida National University. Not to mention a Florida State University.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 5, 2024 11:56:20 GMT -8
In this new and improved college-related sports landscape (tongue firmly in cheek), academic reputation/reality really has NO bearing on conference/media deals. GCU is in a large metropolitan area, is investing in facilities, and has recent success in hoops and baseball. So I would have been OK with us inviting them. But the Pac-12 focus is reportedly on securing a media deal and then filling out membership. And GCU could still be in play, just like coaches and players they seem to be open to chasing the best deal that presents itself, prior commitments be damned. And the band played on.....
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 5, 2024 13:35:21 GMT -8
Which is why I said, take UConn as a full member. No other schools move the basketball needle. Very few outside of Arizona have ever heard of Grand Canyon University, which is 200 miles away from the Grand Canyon. Using that logic we could call OSU Multnomah Falls State University. Or call a school in Stockton "University of Pacific". Or Chicago, "Northwestern". Or call a school that's further east than Reno, NV, "Cal-Western" Or a school in SW Ohio "Central State".
Any others?
I also just learned that there is both a Florida International University AND a Florida National University. Not to mention a Florida State University. The University of the Pacific was the first university in the State of California and was originally in Santa Clara. It opened the first medical school on the West Coast in 1858. The University of the Pacific moved to San Jose in 1871, but the Medical University of the University of the Pacific stayed in Santa Clara. Stanford took over the Medical University of the University of the Pacific in 1908. From 1953-1959, Stanford transferred its medical school from Santa Clara to Stanford. The University of the Pacific moved from San Jose to Stockton in 1923. The University of Pacific's primary campus is in Stockton, but the University of the Pacific has Sacramento and San Francisco campuses. The Sacramento Campus houses the law school, along with health sciences, organizational leadership, and public policy. The San Francisco Campus houses the Arthur A. Dugoni School of Dentistry but also offers graduate programs in analytics, audiology, food studies, and music therapy. Northwestern is primarily in Evanston, although they have a Chicago Campus and a campus in Qatar. Northwestern was named after the historical Northwest Territory (officially named the "Territory Northwest of the River Ohio"), which was the official name of the area which comprises the present day states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, as well as a portion of Northeastern Minnesota (although a portion of that territory was disputed with Britain at the time). It was established by the Congress of the Confederation on July 13, 1787. The First Congress officially took over the Northwest Territory through the Northwest Ordinance of 1789. Most of the Western part of the Northwest Territory became Indiana Territory on May 7, 1800 (The border between the two was the Kentucky River to Fort Necessity and then straight North to Lake Superior. The border is basically the current border North of Fort Necessity, which basically lies directly on the border. In 1803, when Ohio became a state, the border was moved to its current border between Indiana and Ohio.). So from 1789-1800, Evanston was in the Northwest Territory. And Northwestern was named in 1850-1851, a little more than 50 years after Evanston ceased to be in the Northwest Territory. It seems to make a lot less sense 174 years later, though. Reno is further West than much of Southern California. Reno's longitude basically splits Goleta (where the Santa Barbara Airport is) and Santa Barbara along the Southern California Coast. The University of Southern California was a Methodist University, which severed all ties with Methodists in 1952. The Methodists, purchased Balboa University in 1958 and named it California Western (Southern California already being taken) and then moved it west to Point Loma from Downtown San Diego. The only part of California Western that remains moved back to Downtown San Diego in 1973. Florida International (a public university in Miami-Dade County) sued Florida National (a private, for-profit university in Miami-Dade County established 23 years after Florida International) to try and compel Florida National to change its name. The Court denied Florida International's lawsuit and deemed it frivolous, awarding Florida National sanctions.
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Post by 93beav on Nov 6, 2024 13:56:29 GMT -8
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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Nov 7, 2024 20:22:09 GMT -8
Or call a school in Stockton "University of Pacific". Or Chicago, "Northwestern". Or call a school that's further east than Reno, NV, "Cal-Western" Or a school in SW Ohio "Central State".
Any others?
I also just learned that there is both a Florida International University AND a Florida National University. Not to mention a Florida State University. The University of the Pacific was the first university in the State of California and was originally in Santa Clara. It opened the first medical school on the West Coast in 1858. The University of the Pacific moved to San Jose in 1871, but the Medical University of the University of the Pacific stayed in Santa Clara. Stanford took over the Medical University of the University of the Pacific in 1908. From 1953-1959, Stanford transferred its medical school from Santa Clara to Stanford. The University of the Pacific moved from San Jose to Stockton in 1923. The University of Pacific's primary campus is in Stockton, but the University of the Pacific has Sacramento and San Francisco campuses. The Sacramento Campus houses the law school, along with health sciences, organizational leadership, and public policy. The San Francisco Campus houses the Arthur A. Dugoni School of Dentistry but also offers graduate programs in analytics, audiology, food studies, and music therapy. Northwestern is primarily in Evanston, although they have a Chicago Campus and a campus in Qatar. Northwestern was named after the historical Northwest Territory (officially named the "Territory Northwest of the River Ohio"), which was the official name of the area which comprises the present day states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, as well as a portion of Northeastern Minnesota (although a portion of that territory was disputed with Britain at the time). It was established by the Congress of the Confederation on July 13, 1787. The First Congress officially took over the Northwest Territory through the Northwest Ordinance of 1789. Most of the Western part of the Northwest Territory became Indiana Territory on May 7, 1800 (The border between the two was the Kentucky River to Fort Necessity and then straight North to Lake Superior. The border is basically the current border North of Fort Necessity, which basically lies directly on the border. In 1803, when Ohio became a state, the border was moved to its current border between Indiana and Ohio.). So from 1789-1800, Evanston was in the Northwest Territory. And Northwestern was named in 1850-1851, a little more than 50 years after Evanston ceased to be in the Northwest Territory. It seems to make a lot less sense 174 years later, though. Reno is further West than much of Southern California. Reno's longitude basically splits Goleta (where the Santa Barbara Airport is) and Santa Barbara along the Southern California Coast. The University of Southern California was a Methodist University, which severed all ties with Methodists in 1952. The Methodists, purchased Balboa University in 1958 and named it California Western (Southern California already being taken) and then moved it west to Point Loma from Downtown San Diego. The only part of California Western that remains moved back to Downtown San Diego in 1973. Florida International (a public university in Miami-Dade County) sued Florida National (a private, for-profit university in Miami-Dade County established 23 years after Florida International) to try and compel Florida National to change its name. The Court denied Florida International's lawsuit and deemed it frivolous, awarding Florida National sanctions. Unbelievable trick question, which city is further west, Reno or LA?
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