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Post by 86BEAVER on Oct 6, 2024 20:28:24 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 7, 2024 7:47:28 GMT -8
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Post by ftd on Oct 7, 2024 8:11:47 GMT -8
Maybe they shoud join the MWC?
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Post by messi on Oct 7, 2024 8:19:18 GMT -8
Beavers go bowling while Sparty stays home?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 7, 2024 8:29:09 GMT -8
Good thing they're giving him time to fix the dumpster fire his predecessor left before panicking.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 7, 2024 10:08:57 GMT -8
Good thing they're giving him time to fix the dumpster fire his predecessor left before panicking. Bitch tits is learning the hard way what higher expectations are like. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 7, 2024 10:13:49 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 7, 2024 10:39:44 GMT -8
That offense is ugly. Nobody expected them to beat Ohio State and Oregon, but barely sneaking past Florida Atlantic, barely beating Maryland, they have put up more than 20 points twice...
Chiles has gone from looking like the next big thing to completely lost overnight. His passing is outright bad, and he is not making up for it on the ground. It really brings up something that we just can't ignore.
Smith has yet to really develop his own QB. Period. the best QB Smith has coached at OSU wasn't his. It was Luton. Every other QB that has been his QB has been middling at best. Luton is the only QB that went to the NFL and have an overall impress body of work. Luton really had an outstanding 2019 season. It got him drafted.
He did a pretty good job with Chance Nolan in 2021, but didn't really follow that up in 2022. There were injuries, but truth really is, is after 2021, Chance didn't come back at the next level. Is that on Chance or is that on the coach.
They brought in DJU, and DJU was the exact same guy we was at Clemson. is that on DJU or is that on the coaches?
Chiles, is only a sophomore, but a kid that, for better or worse, got a dedicated series in literally ever game last season. He got extensive game experience, more so than any typical back up is going to get. The highest rated transfer of last year. He is not off to a hot start.
Everything that made Smith successful at OSU was A. a strong OL and running game and B. making Bray the DC finally. we started winning when Bray became DC and we suddenly shaved nearly 10 points per game off our average. Smith doesn't have a running game yet at MSU.
But what really makes me scratch my head, is for 6 season at OSU, the former QB never once really threw the ball around. Never once got and developed a QB that was a strong passer and never once leaned on a passing offense. It is hurting him now. Chiles is not a developed passer.
Smith is a good HC because he surrounded himself with important coaches. Coach M on the OL. made the call (some would say too late) to hire Bray as DC. He made OSU a winner again. but what is rearing it's head at MSU, is he isn't actually building QBs. he never did it here.
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Post by jefframp on Oct 7, 2024 10:51:10 GMT -8
That offense is ugly. Nobody expected them to beat Ohio State and Oregon, but barely sneaking past Florida Atlantic, barely beating Maryland, they have put up more than 20 points twice... Chiles has gone from looking like the next big thing to completely lost overnight. His passing is outright bad, and he is not making up for it on the ground. It really brings up something that we just can't ignore. Smith has yet to really develop his own QB. Period. the best QB Smith has coached at OSU wasn't his. It was Luton. Every other QB that has been his QB has been middling at best. Luton is the only QB that went to the NFL and have an overall impress body of work. Luton really had an outstanding 2019 season. It got him drafted. He did a pretty good job with Chance Nolan in 2021, but didn't really follow that up in 2022. There were injuries, but truth really is, is after 2021, Chance didn't come back at the next level. Is that on Chance or is that on the coach. They brought in DJU, and DJU was the exact same guy we was at Clemson. is that on DJU or is that on the coaches? Chiles, is only a sophomore, but a kid that, for better or worse, got a dedicated series in literally ever game last season. He got extensive game experience, more so than any typical back up is going to get. The highest rated transfer of last year. He is not off to a hot start. Everything that made Smith successful at OSU was A. a strong OL and running game and B. making Bray the DC finally. we started winning when Bray became DC and we suddenly shaved nearly 10 points per game off our average. Smith doesn't have a running game yet at MSU. But what really makes me scratch my head, is for 6 season at OSU, the former QB never once really threw the ball around. Never once got and developed a QB that was a strong passer and never once leaned on a passing offense. It is hurting him now. Chiles is not a developed passer. Smith is a good HC because he surrounded himself with important coaches. Coach M on the OL. made the call (some would say too late) to hire Bray as DC. He made OSU a winner again. but what is rearing it's head at MSU, is he isn't actually building QBs. he never did it here. I think it is a little early to write him off at MSU. At any rate, as rgeorge mentioned he is at least laughing all the way to the bank. |
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Post by zeroposter on Oct 7, 2024 11:16:45 GMT -8
Some fans from just about all teams with new head coaches are already screaming about their new coach. New coach, new system, transfer portal=pissed fans.
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Post by grayman on Oct 7, 2024 11:27:17 GMT -8
That offense is ugly. Nobody expected them to beat Ohio State and Oregon, but barely sneaking past Florida Atlantic, barely beating Maryland, they have put up more than 20 points twice... Chiles has gone from looking like the next big thing to completely lost overnight. His passing is outright bad, and he is not making up for it on the ground. It really brings up something that we just can't ignore. Smith has yet to really develop his own QB. Period. the best QB Smith has coached at OSU wasn't his. It was Luton. Every other QB that has been his QB has been middling at best. Luton is the only QB that went to the NFL and have an overall impress body of work. Luton really had an outstanding 2019 season. It got him drafted. He did a pretty good job with Chance Nolan in 2021, but didn't really follow that up in 2022. There were injuries, but truth really is, is after 2021, Chance didn't come back at the next level. Is that on Chance or is that on the coach. They brought in DJU, and DJU was the exact same guy we was at Clemson. is that on DJU or is that on the coaches? Chiles, is only a sophomore, but a kid that, for better or worse, got a dedicated series in literally ever game last season. He got extensive game experience, more so than any typical back up is going to get. The highest rated transfer of last year. He is not off to a hot start. Everything that made Smith successful at OSU was A. a strong OL and running game and B. making Bray the DC finally. we started winning when Bray became DC and we suddenly shaved nearly 10 points per game off our average. Smith doesn't have a running game yet at MSU. But what really makes me scratch my head, is for 6 season at OSU, the former QB never once really threw the ball around. Never once got and developed a QB that was a strong passer and never once leaned on a passing offense. It is hurting him now. Chiles is not a developed passer. Smith is a good HC because he surrounded himself with important coaches. Coach M on the OL. made the call (some would say too late) to hire Bray as DC. He made OSU a winner again. but what is rearing it's head at MSU, is he isn't actually building QBs. he never did it here. Is it really Smith or is it Lindgren? He's the OC and the QB coach. Either way, I think Chiles will be fine. The Beavers probably had more on offense last year than MSU does right now and I think Chiles was able to step in without having the pressure of starting and playing entire games. He's still very young. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 7, 2024 11:32:27 GMT -8
If Mich St fans truly believe they should have beat Ohio St and Oregon in year one of a rebuild, they’re more delusional than our fans!
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 7, 2024 11:49:16 GMT -8
If Mich St fans truly believe they should have beat Ohio St and Oregon in year one of a rebuild, they’re more delusional than our fans! I think they're a little more pissed about losing to BC than the other two. |
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Post by beavfan14 on Oct 7, 2024 12:21:38 GMT -8
Some fans from just about all teams with new head coaches are already screaming about their new coach. New coach, new system, transfer portal=pissed fans. yep, and unfortunately a lot of Beaver fans are among them, not saying you are just a point. There is a difference between constructive criticism and just hating on the team. I see a lot of, "what do we need to work on to get better", but also see a lot of, "they are terrible, no grit, no talent, terrible coaching", blah blah blah. Yeah they have a lot to do to get better, but under completely unusual circumstances that were out of our control. I for one, am fairly happy with where they are at the moment. A lot of work needed and a ways to go, but 4-1 with some winnable games coming, and a possible bowl game. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 7, 2024 12:28:41 GMT -8
That offense is ugly. Nobody expected them to beat Ohio State and Oregon, but barely sneaking past Florida Atlantic, barely beating Maryland, they have put up more than 20 points twice... Chiles has gone from looking like the next big thing to completely lost overnight. His passing is outright bad, and he is not making up for it on the ground. It really brings up something that we just can't ignore. Smith has yet to really develop his own QB. Period. the best QB Smith has coached at OSU wasn't his. It was Luton. Every other QB that has been his QB has been middling at best. Luton is the only QB that went to the NFL and have an overall impress body of work. Luton really had an outstanding 2019 season. It got him drafted. He did a pretty good job with Chance Nolan in 2021, but didn't really follow that up in 2022. There were injuries, but truth really is, is after 2021, Chance didn't come back at the next level. Is that on Chance or is that on the coach. They brought in DJU, and DJU was the exact same guy we was at Clemson. is that on DJU or is that on the coaches? Chiles, is only a sophomore, but a kid that, for better or worse, got a dedicated series in literally ever game last season. He got extensive game experience, more so than any typical back up is going to get. The highest rated transfer of last year. He is not off to a hot start. Everything that made Smith successful at OSU was A. a strong OL and running game and B. making Bray the DC finally. we started winning when Bray became DC and we suddenly shaved nearly 10 points per game off our average. Smith doesn't have a running game yet at MSU. But what really makes me scratch my head, is for 6 season at OSU, the former QB never once really threw the ball around. Never once got and developed a QB that was a strong passer and never once leaned on a passing offense. It is hurting him now. Chiles is not a developed passer. Smith is a good HC because he surrounded himself with important coaches. Coach M on the OL. made the call (some would say too late) to hire Bray as DC. He made OSU a winner again. but what is rearing it's head at MSU, is he isn't actually building QBs. he never did it here. Is it really Smith or is it Lindgren? He's the OC and the QB coach. Either way, I think Chiles will be fine. The Beavers probably had more on offense last year than MSU does right now and I think Chiles was able to step in without having the pressure of starting and playing entire games. He's still very young. Buck does stop with coach. but it is point taken. Lindgren is OC and QB coach at the end of the day. Listen, I am not trying to bash on the kid. I haven't even seen the entirety of a single MSU game, just parts of a few. I am just trying to make the point that it isn't clicking yet and central to the issue right now is QB play. QB play issues has been a theme with Smiths tenure here too. that is the only point I am trying to make. So it isn't my intention to get into it with Chiles... just Smiths general history with QB development, which in my opinion I think is subpar, particularly given himself being a QB and as an OC, he generally did an pretty darn good job. So it leaves us with the question as to why he can't seem to pull it off as HC? |
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