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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 16, 2024 7:16:48 GMT -8
Put me in the camp of adding 4 teams but one of them being Gonzaga and one being hopefully UNLV (Wyoming makes the most sense to me if UNLV can't split from Nevada) I don't mind if the other 2 are a stretch out of the geographic footprint (one east trip for football a year and travel partners for Oly sports). I think Tulane and UTSA are my preference there - Memphis gives me bad vibes. For whatever it's worth, there was a Barnes interview the other day where he said all teams being added will have football. So that would rule out Gonzaga/St.Marys (at least for now). I imagine if Gonzaga came calling we'd sure pick up the phone though. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 7:41:16 GMT -8
Maybe we merge with a large chunk of the AAC and have an east and west division of the pac 12. I really like this option. I like it even more if you pick off Cal and SMU as the ACC implodes. If we can't be in the top league of football I do like the idea of a basketball heavy conference as it's much easier for a conference to get into that post season with multiple teams and collect some cash than football. Football is extremely important but it would be nice to continue having a lucrative basketball league by adding teams that have good mid major potential but strong basketball. Even better would be finding a way to pull the BIG12 apart but that's pipe dream world before the next big media cycle in the 2030s. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 7:55:07 GMT -8
Put me in the camp of adding 4 teams but one of them being Gonzaga and one being hopefully UNLV (Wyoming makes the most sense to me if UNLV can't split from Nevada) I don't mind if the other 2 are a stretch out of the geographic footprint (one east trip for football a year and travel partners for Oly sports). I think Tulane and UTSA are my preference there - Memphis gives me bad vibes. For whatever it's worth, there was a Barnes interview the other day where he said all teams being added will have football. So that would rule out Gonzaga/St.Marys (at least for now). I imagine if Gonzaga came calling we'd sure pick up the phone though. He said that, but I would not be shocked to see a 12 team football Pac-12 and a 14 team basketball conference (or 10/12). Why on earth would you say no to that if it meant having Gonzaga and St. Mary's on top of some of the pretty darn good MWC teams we just brought in. The basketball teams wouldn't get equal shares, and they'd more than bring in their fair share of basketball media value. |
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Post by seastape on Sept 16, 2024 10:52:10 GMT -8
So I guess the goal is to become a lesser rated version of the Big 12? And the other options we have to choose from are? A western conference with western teams that won't have a ridiculously high travel budget and that we can sell to potential athletes who want to play on the west coast. One team from Tennessee (Memphis)? I don't see that as a good thing. If we're not getting invited to (what is now called) a Power 4 conference, that let's make it a truly regional conference. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 16, 2024 11:11:06 GMT -8
Speaking of Monty, if he's right about this I will gladly give credit where credit's due...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 16, 2024 12:09:52 GMT -8
Speaking of Monty, if he's right about this I will gladly give credit where credit's due... Well it's hardly a scoop or breaking news that Tulane could be a candidate for an expanded Pac-12. It's obvious I prefer a truly Western (PST, MST) footprint and have no desire to see a team from Tennessee and another one from Louisiana in a PACIFIC-12. Long plane rides, no history between the programs, no local interest/alums of either school in most, if not all, of the Pac-12 locations, not happy that our men's basketball program would be competing against a perennially crooked program that sets the standard for cheating and is a serial offender of NCAA rules. But if Bay Area teams can somehow join an Atlantic Coast Conference, all bets are off. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 16, 2024 12:14:19 GMT -8
Speaking of Monty, if he's right about this I will gladly give credit where credit's due... Well it's hardly a scoop or breaking news that Tulane could be a candidate for an expanded Pac-12. No kidding. I think Tulane was first up out of the gate when it was announced we'd be looking for others. Everything I see on Tulane and Memphis boards seems to be the fans only want to go if the other goes. Maybe they're working Tulane first because then Memphis would be a slam dunk? UTSA UNT I saw somewhere else.... They'd better get 4-5 if they want an Eastern "division" (whether those materialize or not) and because they'll add UNLV at some point. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 16, 2024 12:18:41 GMT -8
So unless you get a whole eastern division, or whatever, a couple eastern teams would have crazy travel.
There's gotta be some kind of Pac 12 west/east in the works, with a good tv deal potential. Otherwise, would it be worth it for AAC teams to join the Pac?
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Post by grayman on Sept 16, 2024 12:25:09 GMT -8
Well it's hardly a scoop or breaking news that Tulane could be a candidate for an expanded Pac-12. No kidding. I think Tulane was first up out of the gate when it was announced we'd be looking for others. Everything I see on Tulane and Memphis boards seems to be the fans only want to go if the other goes. Maybe they're working Tulane first because then Memphis would be a slam dunk? UTSA UNT I saw somewhere else.... They'd better get 4-5 if they want an Eastern "division" (whether those materialize or not) and because they'll add UNLV at some point. Obviously Tulane was on just about everybody's list, but that's not what is being said here or the point. This is a report that the Pac-12 and Tulane have mutual interest and are talking. Lots of other teams are on people's lists but is there mutual interest? Are they talking? Big difference. Agree that the west/east divisions are a possibility. Not sure they are going to add UNLV at this point. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 16, 2024 12:31:52 GMT -8
So unless you get a whole eastern division, or whatever, a couple eastern teams would have crazy travel. There's gotta be some kind of Pac 12 west/east in the works, with a good tv deal potential. Otherwise, would it be worth it for AAC teams to join the Pac? If you're planning to go into Texas, adding a school in New Orleans is not a big deal. But I do agree that there could be something like west/east divisions at some point, especially if you add both Tulane and Memphis and possibly more. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 16, 2024 12:43:35 GMT -8
If enough MWC teams leave, do they disband and we get the four for free?
Also, someone on the Tulane board saying they heard a conversation on ESPN radio this morning (I presume amongst talent) about discussions w/ Tulane and Memphis getting $15mil a year in media. That's about as 3rd/4th hand unsubstantiated rumor as you can get, folks!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2024 12:54:05 GMT -8
If enough MWC teams leave, do they disband and we get the four for free? Also, someone on the Tulane board saying they heard a conversation on ESPN radio this morning (I presume amongst talent) about discussions w/ Tulane and Memphis getting $15mil a year in media. That's about as 3rd/4th hand unsubstantiated rumor as you can get, folks! The issue is the same one as the Pac-12. You need nine to vote disband, but the question then becomes whether the ones leaving get a vote or not. If you can get the right number to leave all at the same time, you can vote to disband the conference. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 16, 2024 13:29:08 GMT -8
So unless you get a whole eastern division, or whatever, a couple eastern teams would have crazy travel. There's gotta be some kind of Pac 12 west/east in the works, with a good tv deal potential. Otherwise, would it be worth it for AAC teams to join the Pac? I'd think the eastern division would need 4 teams minimum just to get to a travel situation like USC/UCLA/UW/uo could have if they all played each other every year (notice they aren't all playing each other this year). 6+ would work better to give them several local division games and limit travel more. The question I see is, would the eastern division prospects want to join if they have to travel more than the western division teams? They may have to set up equal size divisions so everything seems fair just to fill out the east division. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 16, 2024 13:35:42 GMT -8
SLOW DOWN!!!!!!
How the hell do we go crazy adding teams when we don't even know how much money the media is willing to shell out? Right now we need two and only two. Once we have 8 we can start negotiating. The media can then tell us how much more they are willing to spend for teams 9, 10, 11, 12....
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 16, 2024 13:43:02 GMT -8
SLOW DOWN!!!!!! How the hell do we go crazy adding teams when we don't even know how much money the media is willing to shell out? Right now we need two and only two. Once we have 8 we can start negotiating. The media can then tell us how much more they are willing to spend for teams 9, 10, 11, 12.... Hey man, we wildly speculate on here......it's just what we do 😁 |
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