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Post by rgeorge on Sept 20, 2024 8:44:19 GMT -8
Makes sense. We shouldn't have to pick up the tab when in reality they are the ones who benefit from the new arrangement. For us, it's a step down from what we had When your Mercedes breaks down in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm you don't look down on the guy driving a Chevy who stops to help you out. The MWC saved our bacon this year. This new league will never work out if some view others as unequal, less members. That's a big reason behind the demise of the Pac-12. Like a Benny from a different generation said, We all must hang together, or yada yada yada. That may hold true to some extent administratively, but what and & how fans think didn't and doesn't matter. Fans will always compare teams... as inferior or superior by program, academics, etc. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 20, 2024 8:49:36 GMT -8
I'd say it better hold 100% true administratively or we're doomed from the start.
Fans (myself included) are generally short-sighted, look out for their own team's interests first, and often can't see the bigger picture. Let's hope the administrators of the new Pac-12 do. Equal partners.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 20, 2024 9:20:43 GMT -8
I'd be all for non-traditional gametimes: Thursday/Friday/Sunday evening and such. Not every game, but once or twice a season so each team can get a featured game a time or two without a ton of viewing competition. The paying all exit fees I doubt will happen. The AAC has been making it easy to negotiate exit fee payment over a number of years for several teams that left already. I don't see that changing. Also, the BSU AD said in an interview the MWC is already withholding media payments and he had secured donations/financing for the rest and wasn't worrying about money. I get the feeling the 4 that have joined are paying their own exit fees, or if the Pac is helping "finance" exit fees it'll withhold some media payments to offset it come 2026 when everything starts officially. I just hope we do hear something shortly while things are "hot" rather than several weeks or months down the line. Makes sense. We shouldn't have to pick up the tab when in reality they are the ones who benefit from the new arrangement. For us, it's a step down from what we had While I agree with you that it's a step back in profile from the conference before, it's a step UP from what we have now, and that's the reality. This is a mutually beneficial move, but I do agree with you that the Pac2 hold more leverage because these schools that are applying for membership have desperately trying to plot an escape from the WAC and then MWC for decades. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 20, 2024 9:25:28 GMT -8
Utah sucked in the pac until they didn't.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 20, 2024 9:29:54 GMT -8
Utah sucked in the pac until they didn't. I don't consider 8-5 in their first year "sucking". Yes, years 2 and 3 weren't great, but they had a much better transition than Colorado. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 20, 2024 10:00:28 GMT -8
Utah was in the Pac-12 for 13 seasons (12 full, plus the Covid year). It had only two three-loss seasons and lost four or more games in 10 of 12 full-seasons. It also played in the crappy division, and quite often skipped Oregon or Washington, or both. I always thought Utah, while certainly a competitive program, got far more credit than it deserved.
I would have loved for us to play Colorado every single year.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 20, 2024 14:43:09 GMT -8
Makes sense. We shouldn't have to pick up the tab when in reality they are the ones who benefit from the new arrangement. For us, it's a step down from what we had When your Mercedes breaks down in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm you don't look down on the guy driving a Chevy who stops to help you out. The MWC saved our bacon this year. This new league will never work out if some view others as unequal, less members. That's a big reason behind the demise of the Pac-12. Like a Benny from a different generation said, We all must hang together, or yada yada yada. I was half joking......but, the opportunity for them is exciting just as much as they are helping us out. Boise people are stoked. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 20, 2024 14:44:29 GMT -8
Utah sucked in the pac until they didn't. Colorado always sucked in the Pac, and they jumped ship as soon as they could. F that school |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 20, 2024 17:13:15 GMT -8
I’d like to see Cal and Stanford come back.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 20, 2024 17:39:10 GMT -8
I’d like to see Cal and Stanford come back. I'd love to win a billion-dollar MegaMillions jackpot. |
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Post by seastape on Sept 20, 2024 17:45:30 GMT -8
Utah sucked in the pac until they didn't. Colorado always sucked in the Pac, and they jumped ship as soon as they could. F that school Agreed. The two teams from the traitorous ten that I root against the most are Colorado and SC, by far. |
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Post by seastape on Sept 20, 2024 17:47:56 GMT -8
I’d like to see Cal and Stanford come back. So would I, but Stanford has made it clear that we are not worthy of them. I root against them, a lot. And they were my second favorite team in the Pac 12 as it existed before the dissolution. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 20, 2024 17:48:50 GMT -8
Colorado always sucked in the Pac, and they jumped ship as soon as they could. F that school Agreed. The two teams from the traitorous ten that I root against the most are Colorado and SC, by far. Mine goes... 1) hole....always will be #1 2) USC....F those assholes 3) u dub.....elitist Seattle assholes 4) Furd....used to be neutral on Furd until they decided they'd rather be dead than hang with us ....huge Syracuse fan right now.....hope they lose every game out on the east coast. F em. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 20, 2024 17:57:39 GMT -8
Stanford graduates - I've only worked with a few. But they put the ugh in arrogance. One guy, and I don't remember if he had a BS in engineering from Stanford and a MBA from Berkeley or vice versa, had to be led through a large project. He was my client, but I had to go to his boss for some decisions and his technical guy, a Long Beach SU grad, for others.
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Post by seastape on Sept 20, 2024 18:40:19 GMT -8
Stanford graduates - I've only worked with a few. But they put the ugh in arrogance. One guy, and I don't remember if he had a BS in engineering from Stanford and a MBA from Berkeley or vice versa, had to be led through a large project. He was my client, but I had to go to his boss for some decisions and his technical guy, a Long Beach SU grad, for others. I have a cousin who went to Stanford and is a long time sports fan. We had a family reunion shortly after SC and UCLA left and I asked him what he thought about the whole mess. The key question I had: Do you think the conference will survive? His answer, which came forth quickly, knowingly, and confidently, with a smug look on his face to his dumb OSU cousin: "Doesn't matter to me! We'll just go to the big ten!" Haven't talked to him since...but I'd like to! |
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