sessbeav
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Grad Year: Should’ve been 1991. Actual…..2006. Beer derailed me.
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Post by sessbeav on Sept 18, 2024 14:56:22 GMT -8
Two things.... I lived on the Eastern flank of the Sierra for 12 years in Nevada......so yea f%#* California! My wife made me go over Donner a couple times. Couldn't wait to get back. If you live down there it's the Sierra...not the Sierras, and definitely not the Sierra Nevada.....that's a brewery in Chico!...maybe the Arizona one is the Sierra to them, I dunno I like being a member here - so I don't want to keep secrets that might get me kicked out at some point. In light of that I feel I need to reveal that I had relatives in the Donner Party. So in the event that any of my relatives ate any relatives of my fellow Beavs - I apologize. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2024 15:17:55 GMT -8
Two things.... I lived on the Eastern flank of the Sierra for 12 years in Nevada......so yea f%#* California! My wife made me go over Donner a couple times. Couldn't wait to get back. If you live down there it's the Sierra...not the Sierras, and definitely not the Sierra Nevada.....that's a brewery in Chico!...maybe the Arizona one is the Sierra to them, I dunno I like being a member here - so I don't want to keep secrets that might get me kicked out at some point. In light of that I feel I need to reveal that I had relatives in the Donner Party. So in the event that any of my relatives ate any relatives of my fellow Beavs - I apologize. Who were your relatives in the Donner Party? Some of the Reeds' land is now San Jose State University. Reed, Margaret, Virginia, Carrie, Patterson, Lewis, Keyes, and Martha Streets in San Jose are named after the Reeds. Marysville is named after Mary Murphy. I do not think that my ancestors started coming West until after the Civil War. I obviously cannot speak for others. |
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sessbeav
Freshman
Posts: 488
Grad Year: Should’ve been 1991. Actual…..2006. Beer derailed me.
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Post by sessbeav on Sept 18, 2024 15:41:14 GMT -8
I believe we are related (somehow) to the Graves. It has been many years since I got the word from my Mom - she did a great deal of Genealogical research and eventually determined we were somehow related to the Graves - who IIRC were part of the Donner party. I cannot remember the specifics as trying to follow the charts and such she had put together made my brain hurt.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 18, 2024 15:48:02 GMT -8
The funny thing is Fresno sits on the western front of the coolest mountain range in the world. Fresno itself is a dump though I have held that same opinion for most of my adult life. Last year I got hired to do some consulting work there. I was surprised to find it is not remotely the s%#thole I thought it was. There is a ton of money there, particularly generational wealth from old school farmers. Newer subdivisions on both sides of town. Met a couple in a restaurant which could have been right out of Summerlin, they showed me around to a few popular bar areas. Good times! Fresno to me feels very similar to Las Vegas in the 90s, without the gaming industry of course. Lots of people moving there from LA and bay area, old school money. Now would I ever consider moving there? Hellll no. But not remotely as bad as I had thought. Also new AD at FSU is former Duck assistant AD. Great guy who will be great partner in promoting and building up future Pac 12. A new me embracing our new Pac partners. I love blue turf! Might even have to take a roadie to Fort Collins. Been a minute. Fresno can be miserable in the summer because of the heat. And then in the winter it is foggy. But I like it. If and when it's a 80-minute train ride to either Salesforce Park in SF and the same to LA Union Station, Fresno will be stunningly different, and in a good way. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 18, 2024 17:55:20 GMT -8
btw, it's the Sierra, unless you want to sound like a tourist. It is a matter of perspective as to how we sound I suppose. It is also a matter of perspective as to who exactly is the tourist. Sierra means "mountain chain" in Spanish. Calling them the Sierras is meaningless. Of course they are the Sierras. In Arizona, there is the Sierra Ancha and the Sierra Estrella Ranges. In New Mexico, there is the Sierra Blanca Range. Even in California, there is a Sierra Madre. There are Sierras up and down Latin America and in Spain. Go see the Sierra Andes in South America. In Mexico, the three big Mountain ranges are the Sierra Madre del Sur, the Sierra Madre Occidental, and the Sierra Madre Oriental. Only Californians would be so smug as to take a mountain range, whitewash its Spanish name, and, in so doing, completely obscure its real name and also completely eviscerate any opportunity whatsoever to disambiguate it from every other mountain range in the world. And then tell everyone else that they should be more like California in a completely without any hint of shame or irony. Someone posted it earlier in a different thread, but f#*k California. I do not mean to jump down your throat. I just really dislike California and Californians in general. There are millions of great Californians, but they seem to usually get swamped out by smug morons. I don't know about f%#* California because there really are two very different Californias and the culture of each is vastly different. So if you're talking people, yeah, f%#* southern Californians. They think their s%#t don't stink. Northern Californians are more down to earth. In general. If you're talking about the state, well, I have to disagree completely. California was one of the most beautiful places in the world. Beautiful beaches. Beautiful forests. Beautiful mountains. And the desert. Nah, the state can't be faulted. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 18, 2024 19:19:56 GMT -8
It is a matter of perspective as to how we sound I suppose. It is also a matter of perspective as to who exactly is the tourist. Sierra means "mountain chain" in Spanish. Calling them the Sierras is meaningless. Of course they are the Sierras. In Arizona, there is the Sierra Ancha and the Sierra Estrella Ranges. In New Mexico, there is the Sierra Blanca Range. Even in California, there is a Sierra Madre. There are Sierras up and down Latin America and in Spain. Go see the Sierra Andes in South America. In Mexico, the three big Mountain ranges are the Sierra Madre del Sur, the Sierra Madre Occidental, and the Sierra Madre Oriental. Only Californians would be so smug as to take a mountain range, whitewash its Spanish name, and, in so doing, completely obscure its real name and also completely eviscerate any opportunity whatsoever to disambiguate it from every other mountain range in the world. And then tell everyone else that they should be more like California in a completely without any hint of shame or irony. Someone posted it earlier in a different thread, but f#*k California. I do not mean to jump down your throat. I just really dislike California and Californians in general. There are millions of great Californians, but they seem to usually get swamped out by smug morons. I don't know about f%#* California because there really are two very different Californias and the culture of each is vastly different. So if you're talking people, yeah, f%#* southern Californians. They think their s%#t don't stink. Northern Californians are more down to earth. In general. If you're talking about the state, well, I have to disagree completely. California was one of the most beautiful places in the world. Beautiful beaches. Beautiful forests. Beautiful mountains. And the desert. Nah, the state can't be faulted. The state itself is awesome for sure.....I like the small towns like Truckee, Bishop, Bridgeport.....cool country |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 18, 2024 20:11:58 GMT -8
This is a really interesting perspective from these Memphis guys. Memphis is growing on me. FedEx center sounds pretty sweet. A southern pod of the best AAC schools might be what's coming next. If nothing else, a move like that gives us a chance to remain relevant while the conferences play musical chairs.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 19, 2024 5:46:26 GMT -8
This is a really interesting perspective from these Memphis guys. Memphis is growing on me. FedEx center sounds pretty sweet. A southern pod of the best AAC schools might be what's coming next. If nothing else, a move like that gives us a chance to remain relevant while the conferences play musical chairs. Best of the rest......that's where we are. I'm warming up to it. A pod is the way to go for sure for the obvious travel logistics that have already been discussed. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense from a recruiting standpoint as well. The density of talent is so much higher in the southeast US. F it let's do it....snag one or two Texas teams while we're at it. Might as well get the best teams we can, in the most fertile recruiting grounds. |
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Post by messi on Sept 19, 2024 6:48:49 GMT -8
This is a really interesting perspective from these Memphis guys. Memphis is growing on me. FedEx center sounds pretty sweet. A southern pod of the best AAC schools might be what's coming next. If nothing else, a move like that gives us a chance to remain relevant while the conferences play musical chairs. Brings up a great point. If you're waiting for an ACC invite, one might come with an ACC without Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina. Then are you truly better off than before? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2024 8:10:21 GMT -8
This is a really interesting perspective from these Memphis guys. Memphis is growing on me. FedEx center sounds pretty sweet. A southern pod of the best AAC schools might be what's coming next. If nothing else, a move like that gives us a chance to remain relevant while the conferences play musical chairs. Brings up a great point. If you're waiting for an ACC invite, one might come with an ACC without Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina. Then are you truly better off than before? It would be curious to see what these guys said yesterday or today (they mentioned Wednesday/Thursday was coming, so I bet it was recorded on Tuesday or Monday). A lot of yesterdays stories were about it looking as though there is a possibility the ACC might settle with the two schools to come up with a scaling payout, possibly based on merit, and keeping the conference together, with little likelihood the two teams could get out of their contracts. If true, that could add to the chaos that Barnes said is our friend. If every ACC school is locked in to the conference until the summer of 2036 as per the contract, the schools who are "waiting"/hoping to get in will probably have a lot less hope. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2024 9:44:29 GMT -8
Tim Brando thinks the Pac will be a Power 5 Conference again... not sure how he defines that... at the 19:22 mark
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Post by 93beav on Sept 19, 2024 18:05:30 GMT -8
Nothing really new across all the message boards. I like the fact the PAC can keep secrets secret. One thing I did see on a Tulane board: "In the Wave After Wave podcast with Canzano, the latter dropped this bon mot: NewPAC is considering Sunday football games." Apparently they would start halfway through the last Sunday game. I'll believe it when I see it. Also: www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2024/09/19/pac-12-mountain-west-realignment-outside-power-conferences/75294789007/I've read a lot of Memphis and Tulane posts over the last days (and small amounts of USF) and I can say a few things: 1) Almost all of those fans are delusional. As long as the PAC guarantees $15 million a year in a media deal, and pays their exit fee, and gives them extra money for travel AND allows them to leave whenever they want for the ACC invite, then they will go. Oh, but what about the ESPN look-in for 2026 that zaps the AAC money? Silence. 2) USF message boards are like reading crack cocaine in real-time. I mean, I know USF is about to build a monster facility, has massive NIL, and has jacked up their athletic budget to $100 million but their fans...whew...don't know where to begin. They put the man from Florida into "the man from Florida". They, of course, are not inclined to go to the PAC because they are getting a B1G invite. 3) I was pleasantly surprised to see Boise St. and Fresno St. fans trying to encourage Memphis and Tulane fans to join. Was good to see such positivity so early. They were even defending OSU in some cases. 4) And finally... OSU really needs a way to get messaging out there about us and the old PAC and the new PAC. Some of the people on these boards were just spouting off nonsense. For example, about how the PAC has depleted its war chest with all the MWC exit fees and has to set aside money for some lawsuit (they mentioned Comcast) and insinuated shady finances. And how their travel expenses would increase by $7 million a year if they played the PAC - even with 4-5 teams in the East. Crazy. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 19, 2024 18:50:51 GMT -8
I'd be all for non-traditional gametimes: Thursday/Friday/Sunday evening and such. Not every game, but once or twice a season so each team can get a featured game a time or two without a ton of viewing competition.
The paying all exit fees I doubt will happen. The AAC has been making it easy to negotiate exit fee payment over a number of years for several teams that left already. I don't see that changing.
Also, the BSU AD said in an interview the MWC is already withholding media payments and he had secured donations/financing for the rest and wasn't worrying about money. I get the feeling the 4 that have joined are paying their own exit fees, or if the Pac is helping "finance" exit fees it'll withhold some media payments to offset it come 2026 when everything starts officially.
I just hope we do hear something shortly while things are "hot" rather than several weeks or months down the line.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 20, 2024 8:24:05 GMT -8
I'd be all for non-traditional gametimes: Thursday/Friday/Sunday evening and such. Not every game, but once or twice a season so each team can get a featured game a time or two without a ton of viewing competition. The paying all exit fees I doubt will happen. The AAC has been making it easy to negotiate exit fee payment over a number of years for several teams that left already. I don't see that changing. Also, the BSU AD said in an interview the MWC is already withholding media payments and he had secured donations/financing for the rest and wasn't worrying about money. I get the feeling the 4 that have joined are paying their own exit fees, or if the Pac is helping "finance" exit fees it'll withhold some media payments to offset it come 2026 when everything starts officially. I just hope we do hear something shortly while things are "hot" rather than several weeks or months down the line. Makes sense. We shouldn't have to pick up the tab when in reality they are the ones who benefit from the new arrangement. For us, it's a step down from what we had |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 20, 2024 8:39:22 GMT -8
I'd be all for non-traditional gametimes: Thursday/Friday/Sunday evening and such. Not every game, but once or twice a season so each team can get a featured game a time or two without a ton of viewing competition. The paying all exit fees I doubt will happen. The AAC has been making it easy to negotiate exit fee payment over a number of years for several teams that left already. I don't see that changing. Also, the BSU AD said in an interview the MWC is already withholding media payments and he had secured donations/financing for the rest and wasn't worrying about money. I get the feeling the 4 that have joined are paying their own exit fees, or if the Pac is helping "finance" exit fees it'll withhold some media payments to offset it come 2026 when everything starts officially. I just hope we do hear something shortly while things are "hot" rather than several weeks or months down the line. Makes sense. We shouldn't have to pick up the tab when in reality they are the ones who benefit from the new arrangement. For us, it's a step down from what we had When your Mercedes breaks down in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm you don't look down on the guy driving a Chevy who stops to help you out. The MWC saved our bacon this year. This new league will never work out if some view others as unequal, less members. That's a big reason behind the demise of the Pac-12. Like a Benny from a different generation said, We all must hang together, or yada yada yada. |
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