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Post by irimi on May 19, 2024 5:39:52 GMT -8
Last year, Canham led with Ferrer for the opening game, which we lost. The year before, he started Hunter and we won. Neither pitched long. I think the nature of this tournament is such that the team with the hottest bats will survive. We don’t see dominant pitching performances in the Pac 12 tourney. That should give us an edge to win it all.
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Post by rgeorge on May 19, 2024 11:24:07 GMT -8
Last year, Canham led with Ferrer for the opening game, which we lost. The year before, he started Hunter and we won. Neither pitched long. I think the nature of this tournament is such that the team with the hottest bats will survive. We don’t see dominant pitching performances in the Pac 12 tourney. That should give us an edge to win it all. Last year OSU hit .361, OBP .449, SL% .530 in last years two games and went 0-2 because the pitching was abysmal. Bats were plenty "hot", as (22) runs should be enough to at least split two games!! Turley and Guerra hit over .600, Slugged over 1.000. The pitching gave up 27 runs, 25 earned... ERA 12.74, OppBA .435, K'd 15, BB 9. There might not be any "dominate pitching" but... - (6) guys with multiple inning and appearances had ERAs of 0.00; - (11) had ERAs of 3.00 or less; - (11) had OppBA of .222 or less (Lattery .000); *May lead with 10.0 IP, (2) starts, ERA of 2.70... so that will help! OSU had NO pitcher reach 5.0 IP... total. The team that pitches best as the last (2) tourneys, commits a low # of E's, AND combines a timely offense will win the tourney. The last two Pac12 tourneys OSU's pitching has been pathetic... '22 went 3-2 gave up 50 total runs... '23 went 0-2 and gave up 27 runs... not sure it can get worse than the (7) games... 3-4, 77 runs given up. The last two tourneys the winner has given up 20 or fewer runs... in '22 under the old format Stanford won giving up 20 runs in (4) games. In '23 in the new pool play Oregon gave up 19 runs in (4) games. |
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Post by irimi on May 19, 2024 13:20:30 GMT -8
Last year, Canham led with Ferrer for the opening game, which we lost. The year before, he started Hunter and we won. Neither pitched long. I think the nature of this tournament is such that the team with the hottest bats will survive. We don’t see dominant pitching performances in the Pac 12 tourney. That should give us an edge to win it all. Last year OSU hit .361, OBP .449, SL% .530 in last years two games and went 0-2 because the pitching was abysmal. Bats were plenty "hot", as (22) runs should be enough to at least split two games!! Turley and Guerra hit over .600, Slugged over 1.000. The pitching gave up 27 runs, 25 earned... ERA 12.74, OppBA .435, K'd 15, BB 9. There might not be any "dominate pitching" but... - (6) guys with multiple inning and appearances had ERAs of 0.00; - (11) had ERAs of 3.00 or less; - (11) had OppBA of .222 or less (Lattery .000); *May lead with 10.0 IP, (2) starts, ERA of 2.70... so that will help! OSU had NO pitcher reach 5.0 IP... total. The team that pitches best as the last (2) tourneys, commits a low # of E's, AND combines a timely offense will win the tourney. The last two Pac12 tourneys OSU's pitching has been pathetic... '22 went 3-2 gave up 50 total runs... '23 went 0-2 and gave up 27 runs... not sure it can get worse than the (7) games... 3-4, 77 runs given up. The last two tourneys the winner has given up 20 or fewer runs... in '22 under the old format Stanford won giving up 20 runs in (4) games. In '23 in the new pool play Oregon gave up 19 runs in (4) games. Well, duh. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 19, 2024 13:31:53 GMT -8
Last year OSU hit .361, OBP .449, SL% .530 in last years two games and went 0-2 because the pitching was abysmal. Bats were plenty "hot", as (22) runs should be enough to at least split two games!! Turley and Guerra hit over .600, Slugged over 1.000. The pitching gave up 27 runs, 25 earned... ERA 12.74, OppBA .435, K'd 15, BB 9. There might not be any "dominate pitching" but... - (6) guys with multiple inning and appearances had ERAs of 0.00; - (11) had ERAs of 3.00 or less; - (11) had OppBA of .222 or less (Lattery .000); *May lead with 10.0 IP, (2) starts, ERA of 2.70... so that will help! OSU had NO pitcher reach 5.0 IP... total. The team that pitches best as the last (2) tourneys, commits a low # of E's, AND combines a timely offense will win the tourney. The last two Pac12 tourneys OSU's pitching has been pathetic... '22 went 3-2 gave up 50 total runs... '23 went 0-2 and gave up 27 runs... not sure it can get worse than the (7) games... 3-4, 77 runs given up. The last two tourneys the winner has given up 20 or fewer runs... in '22 under the old format Stanford won giving up 20 runs in (4) games. In '23 in the new pool play Oregon gave up 19 runs in (4) games. Well, duh. Actually... "the team with the hottest bats will survive" was "duh"... as proven by past results... pitching has won the tourney, not the hottest bats. |
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Post by irimi on May 19, 2024 14:00:42 GMT -8
Actually... "the team with the hottest bats will survive" was "duh"... as proven by past results... pitching has won the tourney, not the hottest bats. But you wrote the team with the best pitching, fewest errors, and hot bats will win the tournament. The fastest car with the best driver will win the race. The team that scores the most and defends best will win the basketball game. You don't even need to know the intricacies of the sport to come to that conclusion. I'm just saying that if we only have one of those things, I'll take the hot bats because pitching gets stretched thin and hacked together. I'm not fond of numbers in a tournament situation since the teams are not evenly matched. The best team plays the weakest. Of course, those numbers will be padded. See what I mean? So forgive me if I don't take much notice of all your numbers. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 19, 2024 14:23:01 GMT -8
Actually... "the team with the hottest bats will survive" was "duh"... as proven by past results... pitching has won the tourney, not the hottest bats. But you wrote the team with the best pitching, fewest errors, and hot bats will win the tournament. The fastest car with the best driver will win the race. The team that scores the most and defends best will win the basketball game. You don't even need to know the intricacies of the sport to come to that conclusion. I'm just saying that if we only have one of those things, I'll take the hot bats because pitching gets stretched thin and hacked together. I'm not fond of numbers in a tournament situation since the teams are not evenly matched. The best team plays the weakest. Of course, those numbers will be padded. See what I mean? So forgive me if I don't take much notice of all your numbers. First, they aren't "my" #s, they were actually facts to show "hottest bats" will not be enough. I'll take factual basis over random opinion. As far as intricacies... scoring the most points and defending well often don't go hand in hand. And, as most know the fastest car and best driver often aren't the winner. And often aren't paired as like most sporting events things are situational. So, since it was not meant as an "argument" and you in no way stated if you could "have one thing", I presented data that refuted hottest bats. Just as ASU ended up as the best Pac12 hitting team in conference play... BA, SLG, HR... but finished 5th in the conference. Go Beavs |
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Post by irimi on May 19, 2024 16:42:18 GMT -8
But you wrote the team with the best pitching, fewest errors, and hot bats will win the tournament. The fastest car with the best driver will win the race. The team that scores the most and defends best will win the basketball game. You don't even need to know the intricacies of the sport to come to that conclusion. I'm just saying that if we only have one of those things, I'll take the hot bats because pitching gets stretched thin and hacked together. I'm not fond of numbers in a tournament situation since the teams are not evenly matched. The best team plays the weakest. Of course, those numbers will be padded. See what I mean? So forgive me if I don't take much notice of all your numbers. First, they aren't "my" #s, they were actually facts to show "hottest bats" will not be enough. I'll take factual basis over random opinion. As far as intricacies... scoring the most points and defending well often don't go hand in hand. And, as most know the fastest car and best driver often aren't the winner. And often aren't paired as like most sporting events things are situational. So, since it was not meant as an "argument" and you in no way stated if you could "have one thing", I presented data that refuted hottest bats. Just as ASU ended up as the best Pac12 hitting team in conference play... BA, SLG, HR... but finished 5th in the conference. Go Beavs I 100% agree with you that the team with the best pitching, the best hitting, and the best fielding is probably going to win. You don't need numbers to show that. Any second grader can completely understand that statement. Which is why I said "duh."
I still say "duh."
Damn, you need a new hobby, man. You could take up scuba diving, for example.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 19, 2024 16:45:00 GMT -8
But you wrote the team with the best pitching, fewest errors, and hot bats will win the tournament. The fastest car with the best driver will win the race. The team that scores the most and defends best will win the basketball game. You don't even need to know the intricacies of the sport to come to that conclusion. I'm just saying that if we only have one of those things, I'll take the hot bats because pitching gets stretched thin and hacked together. I'm not fond of numbers in a tournament situation since the teams are not evenly matched. The best team plays the weakest. Of course, those numbers will be padded. See what I mean? So forgive me if I don't take much notice of all your numbers. First, they aren't "my" #s, they were actually facts to show "hottest bats" will not be enough. I'll take factual basis over random opinion. As far as intricacies... scoring the most points and defending well often don't go hand in hand. And, as most know the fastest car and best driver often aren't the winner. And often aren't paired as like most sporting events things are situational. So, since it was not meant as an "argument" and you in no way stated if you could "have one thing", I presented data that refuted hottest bats. Just as ASU ended up as the best Pac12 hitting team in conference play... BA, SLG, HR... but finished 5th in the conference. Go Beavs I don’t find “hot bats” very attractive. Like seductive hawks better. |
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Post by irimi on May 19, 2024 16:48:12 GMT -8
First, they aren't "my" #s, they were actually facts to show "hottest bats" will not be enough. I'll take factual basis over random opinion. As far as intricacies... scoring the most points and defending well often don't go hand in hand. And, as most know the fastest car and best driver often aren't the winner. And often aren't paired as like most sporting events things are situational. So, since it was not meant as an "argument" and you in no way stated if you could "have one thing", I presented data that refuted hottest bats. Just as ASU ended up as the best Pac12 hitting team in conference play... BA, SLG, HR... but finished 5th in the conference. Go Beavs I don’t find “hot bats” very attractive. Like seductive hawks better. Sexy hummingbirds? |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on May 19, 2024 19:06:14 GMT -8
Last year, Canham led with Ferrer for the opening game, which we lost. The year before, he started Hunter and we won. Neither pitched long. I think the nature of this tournament is such that the team with the hottest bats will survive. We don’t see dominant pitching performances in the Pac 12 tourney. That should give us an edge to win it all. Last year OSU hit .361, OBP .449, SL% .530 in last years two games and went 0-2 because the pitching was abysmal. Bats were plenty "hot", as (22) runs should be enough to at least split two games!! Turley and Guerra hit over .600, Slugged over 1.000. The pitching gave up 27 runs, 25 earned... ERA 12.74, OppBA .435, K'd 15, BB 9. There might not be any "dominate pitching" but... - (6) guys with multiple inning and appearances had ERAs of 0.00; - (11) had ERAs of 3.00 or less; - (11) had OppBA of .222 or less (Lattery .000); *May lead with 10.0 IP, (2) starts, ERA of 2.70... so that will help! OSU had NO pitcher reach 5.0 IP... total. The team that pitches best as the last (2) tourneys, commits a low # of E's, AND combines a timely offense will win the tourney. The last two Pac12 tourneys OSU's pitching has been pathetic... '22 went 3-2 gave up 50 total runs... '23 went 0-2 and gave up 27 runs... not sure it can get worse than the (7) games... 3-4, 77 runs given up. The last two tourneys the winner has given up 20 or fewer runs... in '22 under the old format Stanford won giving up 20 runs in (4) games. In '23 in the new pool play Oregon gave up 19 runs in (4) games. Agree on the # of errors and how well a team can defend. I think a lot of Oregon winning in 2023 was just the fact they got really hot. They were average to below average on the mound and an average fielding team. Stanford in 2022 was flat out bad on the mound (6.65 ERA). Stanford was also just an average fielding team. Oregon state currently across the board the best pitching team in the conference. Statistically below average defensively. Same fielding percentage as last year currently (with room to improve). Oregon and Stanford were also two of the best offensive teams in 2022 and 2023. Looking around the country the best teams are usually the best offensively as well. |
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