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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 23, 2024 8:20:56 GMT -8
DJU has a ton of potential. You can see it. His arm strength. His vision. His ability to turn nothing into something. He is also very much a work in progress. If he takes what he can do and makes it so that it is automatic, the sky is the limit for DJU. Smitty could not do a damn thing with him, which is 100% depressing and 110% unsurprising. From watching DJU, I still believe that, with the right coaches and system, DJU can still be lethal. Maybe he found the right coach and system at Florida State? We'll see. I am personally still a fan of DJU and want him to succeed. I do not fault him for leaving Oregon State after Smitty left him high and dry. Smith was in love with tossing the ball 30+ yards down the field a bunch of times every game. Only a handful of starting NFL QBs a year complete 30% or more of balls that travel 25 or more yards in the air. He did it to Nolan, he did it to DJU. It affected their stats and what many consider to be “accuracy”, when the reality is very few QBs can hit a moving target in stride with pinpoint accuracy at longer distances consistently, especially in tight coverage. He’ll probably do it to Chiles as well, time will tell if he can produce better results if he’s actually playing more than 6-7 plays a game… he looks like he could, but it’s probably not as easy to stay focused for 30+ minutes that it is for 8-10 minutes a game. I still think DJU has a decent shot at a NFL career. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2024 9:02:01 GMT -8
DJU has a ton of potential. You can see it. His arm strength. His vision. His ability to turn nothing into something. He is also very much a work in progress. If he takes what he can do and makes it so that it is automatic, the sky is the limit for DJU. Smitty could not do a damn thing with him, which is 100% depressing and 110% unsurprising. From watching DJU, I still believe that, with the right coaches and system, DJU can still be lethal. Maybe he found the right coach and system at Florida State? We'll see. I am personally still a fan of DJU and want him to succeed. I do not fault him for leaving Oregon State after Smitty left him high and dry. Howitzer for an arm.....no touch though.....I mean occasionally he has some touch, but it's inconsistent |
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Post by NativeBeav on Apr 23, 2024 9:53:33 GMT -8
DJU has a ton of potential. You can see it. His arm strength. His vision. His ability to turn nothing into something. He is also very much a work in progress. If he takes what he can do and makes it so that it is automatic, the sky is the limit for DJU. Smitty could not do a damn thing with him, which is 100% depressing and 110% unsurprising. From watching DJU, I still believe that, with the right coaches and system, DJU can still be lethal. Maybe he found the right coach and system at Florida State? We'll see. I am personally still a fan of DJU and want him to succeed. I do not fault him for leaving Oregon State after Smitty left him high and dry. Howitzer for an arm.....no touch though.....I mean occasionally he has some touch, but it's inconsistent Agreed - but at some point, he will have to take responsibility for his own issues. Jumping from team to team, because they didn't either utilize him correctly, did not train him up, etc - sorry - just not buying it.
Unless he makes very large strides this year, he has, IMHO, no chance at the next level. A cannon of an arm is of no value if you have no touch on the ball in short yardage situations, or are insanely accurate on long balls.
Really could care less whether he is successful or not - in addition to touch and accuracy, having a little fight and passion to excel and compete wouldn't hurt him at this point either. When here, he always seemed a little too chill for me - nothing was a big deal.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 23, 2024 12:53:27 GMT -8
DJU has a ton of potential. You can see it. His arm strength. His vision. His ability to turn nothing into something. He is also very much a work in progress. If he takes what he can do and makes it so that it is automatic, the sky is the limit for DJU. Smitty could not do a damn thing with him, which is 100% depressing and 110% unsurprising. From watching DJU, I still believe that, with the right coaches and system, DJU can still be lethal. Maybe he found the right coach and system at Florida State? We'll see. I am personally still a fan of DJU and want him to succeed. I do not fault him for leaving Oregon State after Smitty left him high and dry. Smith was in love with tossing the ball 30+ yards down the field a bunch of times every game. Only a handful of starting NFL QBs a year complete 30% or more of balls that travel 25 or more yards in the air. He did it to Nolan, he did it to DJU. It affected their stats and what many consider to be “accuracy”, when the reality is very few QBs can hit a moving target in stride with pinpoint accuracy at longer distances consistently, especially in tight coverage. He’ll probably do it to Chiles as well, time will tell if he can produce better results if he’s actually playing more than 6-7 plays a game… he looks like he could, but it’s probably not as easy to stay focused for 30+ minutes that it is for 8-10 minutes a game. I still think DJU has a decent shot at a NFL career.Respectfully disagree. IMO he's not even close to being accurate enough to deal with tighter windows at the next level. He was 89th in the nation in passing completion % last year. The guys with a shot at the NFL are typically in the neighborhood of 65% and above. Penix was 65%, plenty of down the field throws. Jayden Daniels was 72%, think McNamara was 72%. NIx was 77% but bulk of those were high percentage throws, sideways stuff. DJ was 59%. With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before! |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 23, 2024 13:44:12 GMT -8
With his physical tools it would not surprise me if someone put him on their practice squad for a
couple of years to see if they can develop him into an NFL QB.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 23, 2024 19:09:39 GMT -8
Howitzer for an arm.....no touch though.....I mean occasionally he has some touch, but it's inconsistent Agreed - but at some point, he will have to take responsibility for his own issues. Jumping from team to team, because they didn't either utilize him correctly, did not train him up, etc - sorry - just not buying it.
Unless he makes very large strides this year, he has, IMHO, no chance at the next level. A cannon of an arm is of no value if you have no touch on the ball in short yardage situations, or are insanely accurate on long balls.
Really could care less whether he is successful or not - in addition to touch and accuracy, having a little fight and passion to excel and compete wouldn't hurt him at this point either. When here, he always seemed a little too chill for me - nothing was a big deal.
Agree - did not seem to have those leadership intangibles that lit fires under teammates. He was consistently inconsistent and could not deliver the needed touch pass in several game-critical situations. Perhaps (in his defense) his "quarterback whisperer" coach was a tad distracted...... Not sure the issue, but this scene conveys it well (to me, but I like this movie:) I guess smart of him to pull a Stevie Miller - "take the money and run" - or is that "run and take the money" in this case. Go Beavers! |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 23, 2024 20:15:09 GMT -8
With his physical tools it would not surprise me if someone put him on their practice squad for a couple of years to see if they can develop him into an NFL QB. Wouldn't that mean he'd have stay on the same squad for 2 entire years? That's asking a lot. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 23, 2024 21:53:07 GMT -8
Agreed - but at some point, he will have to take responsibility for his own issues. Jumping from team to team, because they didn't either utilize him correctly, did not train him up, etc - sorry - just not buying it.
Unless he makes very large strides this year, he has, IMHO, no chance at the next level. A cannon of an arm is of no value if you have no touch on the ball in short yardage situations, or are insanely accurate on long balls.
Really could care less whether he is successful or not - in addition to touch and accuracy, having a little fight and passion to excel and compete wouldn't hurt him at this point either. When here, he always seemed a little too chill for me - nothing was a big deal.
Agree - did not seem to have those leadership intangibles that lit fires under teammates. He was consistently inconsistent and could not deliver the needed touch pass in several game-critical situations. Perhaps (in his defense) his "quarterback whisperer" coach was a tad distracted...... Not sure the issue, but this scene conveys it well (to me, but I like this movie:) I guess smart of him to pull a Stevie Miller - "take the money and run" - or is that "run and take the money" in this case. Go Beavers! DJU is very talented. He can make every throw on the field. If he puts in the time and work to clean up and perfect the more mundane passes, the sky is the limit. If he does not, he will be Derek Anderson II, a tremendous waste of a ton of god-given talent. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 24, 2024 8:34:19 GMT -8
Agree - did not seem to have those leadership intangibles that lit fires under teammates. He was consistently inconsistent and could not deliver the needed touch pass in several game-critical situations. Perhaps (in his defense) his "quarterback whisperer" coach was a tad distracted...... Not sure the issue, but this scene conveys it well (to me, but I like this movie:) I guess smart of him to pull a Stevie Miller - "take the money and run" - or is that "run and take the money" in this case. Go Beavers! DJU is very talented. He can make every throw on the field. If he puts in the time and work to clean up and perfect the more mundane passes, the sky is the limit. If he does not, he will be Derek Anderson II, a tremendous waste of a ton of god-given talent. DA played for 12 years in the league and made a Pro Bowl. I don't consider that a waste of talent. DJU could only dream of that. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 24, 2024 14:46:56 GMT -8
DJU is very talented. He can make every throw on the field. If he puts in the time and work to clean up and perfect the more mundane passes, the sky is the limit. If he does not, he will be Derek Anderson II, a tremendous waste of a ton of god-given talent. DA played for 12 years in the league and made a Pro Bowl. I don't consider that a waste of talent. DJU could only dream of that. and made nearly $30M as a 6th rd pick - outlasted just about every QB not named Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft. Survived being in Cleveland. Good work if you can get it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 25, 2024 22:23:32 GMT -8
DJU is very talented. He can make every throw on the field. If he puts in the time and work to clean up and perfect the more mundane passes, the sky is the limit. If he does not, he will be Derek Anderson II, a tremendous waste of a ton of god-given talent. DA played for 12 years in the league and made a Pro Bowl. I don't consider that a waste of talent. DJU could only dream of that. DA, late in his career, finally said that he would try for a full year, to not wait until the preseason to get into shape, to actually stay in shape for an entire year. But it was too little and too late. I often wonder what would have happened, if DA had actually hand-to-God tried year round early in his career, if he had actually given it his all, instead of doing God knows what for six months out of the year. Hyper-talented. Just did not try his hardest. Maybe, we're not talking about JUST 12 years in the league, $30 million, and one Pro Bowl. This is not a DA/DJU skill comparison. From what I have seen so far, I agree with you. DA had more God-given talent. Boatloads of God-given talent. That said, if DJU really puts in the effort, he could be a better quarterback than DA was, because DA flatly did not try to be the quarterback that he could have been. I will stand by my statement. DA was a tremendous waste of God-given talent. At Oregon State. And in the NFL. I still hope for more from DJU. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 26, 2024 4:37:03 GMT -8
DA played for 12 years in the league and made a Pro Bowl. I don't consider that a waste of talent. DJU could only dream of that. DA, late in his career, finally said that he would try for a full year, to not wait until the preseason to get into shape, to actually stay in shape for an entire year. But it was too little and too late. I often wonder what would have happened, if DA had actually hand-to-God tried year round early in his career, if he had actually given it his all, instead of doing God knows what for six months out of the year. Hyper-talented. Just did not try his hardest. Maybe, we're not talking about JUST 12 years in the league, $30 million, and one Pro Bowl. This is not a DA/DJU skill comparison. From what I have seen so far, I agree with you. DA had more God-given talent. Boatloads of God-given talent. That said, if DJU really puts in the effort, he could be a better quarterback than DA was, because DA flatly did not try to be the quarterback that he could have been. I will stand by my statement. DA was a tremendous waste of God-given talent. At Oregon State. And in the NFL. I still hope for more from DJU. DA’s head was always going to be the thing that maxed him out, not his physical talent. He was limited by his ability to quickly process reads. Yes, he played a lot of golf in the offseason. I played with him a few times before he permanently moved to Arizona. But, I don’t consider his career a waste of talent. He probably could have worked a little harder and been a starter a couple of more years, but it’s not like he would ever have been a championship caliber QB. He still had a good career. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 26, 2024 6:41:38 GMT -8
So the year DA came back to Cleveland as the starter and had the bad concussion in preseason, he had apparently been running and working out with Swanny in Salem all summer. I was on the Cleveland message boards and apparently there were players saying they'd never seen him with 6 pack abs til then.
Too bad he had that concussion. He took 2-3 weels off and played with sunglasses to start the season, couldn't tolerate the sun. The new concussion protocols started a season or two later. Got demoted for lical favorite draft pick Quinn a few games in just as he was coming around. I suspect that's when golfing became his offseason workout.
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Post by NativeBeav on Apr 26, 2024 7:53:56 GMT -8
DA played for 12 years in the league and made a Pro Bowl. I don't consider that a waste of talent. DJU could only dream of that. and made nearly $30M as a 6th rd pick - outlasted just about every QB not named Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft. Survived being in Cleveland. Good work if you can get it. Damn! You had to bring up Cleveland! A reminder of why I will never - I mean never - wish anything but bad on the Browns and their fans. Screw all of those bastards! They are a far cry from the Art Modell days. |
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Post by orangeattack on May 1, 2024 7:55:31 GMT -8
It kills me to hear people talk poorly about DA.
I don't know about his work ethic in the weight room, but I will say that I've never seen a guy take so many big shots and hardly ever miss a snap. He hobbled out there on one wheel, got blown up when helmet to helmet contact wasn't policed like it is, played in an era where QB's regularly got knocked out of the game. He was one tough MFer and you don't get there by being mentally weak.
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