osu82
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Post by osu82 on Apr 3, 2024 11:52:01 GMT -8
Another BS statement. Exactly why I don't give money to NIL, but to facility and program enhancement. Not going to be a sucker and pay for some kid to bail at the drop of a hat. The athlete says we did all these great things, loves (your city here), loves the fan base, will always be a (insert nickname here), takes NIL money from the fanbase, and then just leaves. Fine if you don't agree. It's just my opinion. And my money. And we're fools if we are paying his spring term scholarship. You portal, no more money. Regarding the portal announcements…does someone on staff in the bowels of the AD draft these things, and ask the transferring player “does this look okay?” Or perhaps the player just has ChatGPT do them and tweak them until they seem satisfactory? Regardless, they’re so boilerplate now and ooze insincerity. Better to just not do them. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 3, 2024 12:10:45 GMT -8
So you’re saying NIL has nothing to do with Pope’s decision? Did you read the basis of both posts? If JC is correct on his radio show that Pope thinks he's getting mid-6 figures... he's getting crap advice! Not one school collective gives out 6 figure deals. I've pasted numerous articles to refute that. Including from Nevada on the BS Lucas received $100k. 6 figure deals are corporate. Pope is not a national name, he's not even regional. Except to those who closely follow west coast hoops and insiders... coaches/recruiters... Pope is a role filler. He's not a number 1 option at any elite school. NIL BS about supposed #s hopefully will die down some with the new procedures on direct contact. No more lies about what was offered to hope for more. No more BS from collectives to get a kid to sign then the kid never gets what was offered. But, if you mean Pope might get more than OSU can give... yep, NIL will be involved. However, that doesn't change the OP and my posts. Let's say OSU has a couple large collectives and our $n went to that. Leia say Pope received mid-5 figures because we gave and could afford it. Pope could still enter and seek more. I and many others aren't playing that game with any athlete. An athlete that isn't tied to the school or staff, but to $$. They are temporary fixtures. Let 'em go. Plus, anyone that thinks OSU is EVER, EVER going to br able to have NIL collectives to get/keep, and repeating that, 5 figure players is off their rocker. OSU is not and never will be a major elite P5 type school. The sooner some come to grips with that the less strife and stress some will have. OSU can be highly successful in their own niche and way. But, keeping up with the "Joneses" isn't possible in today's climate. First, I agree that the mid-six figures for Pope is not realistic nor was the $100k for Lucas. However, I have pushed back on your assertion that no one in college basketball is getting 100k. I don’t think you are correct. I DMed the insider on the Illini board and asked him how many kids are getting at least a $100k — none, 5, 50, just about every P4 school has at least one? As I’ve said before, this guy is well connected in college bball world (coaches, AAU programs, and the Illinois program specifically). His answer was: “Many, many, many kids are getting 100k ... We had 4 guys on our team last year that got over 100k ... One guy got over 500k ... “ Now I don’t know what “many, many, many” exactly means, but it certainly isn’t none. Now I don’t know all the intricacies of how and from where NIL money is disbursed, so maybe it’s not coming from a NIL collective per se. But there are kids getting that much. Certainly numbers are exaggerated (mainly by players and their camps I believe) and I think there are a lot of players with $ signs dancing in their heads who end up very disappointed. And there are schools that over promise and the kids end up not getting what was “owed,”. But it would not surprise me in the least if Pope gets $100k or more (but not mid 6 figures). I’m guessing the Illini player getting $500k was Terrance Shannon, Jr., and Pope ain’t no TSJ. I also asked him if he would pass along any info he might hear about landing spots for Pope, Tyler and Rataj. He said he’s already heard UCLA is interested in Pope. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 3, 2024 12:13:34 GMT -8
He gone.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 3, 2024 12:21:25 GMT -8
Nice kid. But what makes him think he'll find a better landing spot? Just scratching my head over some of these decisions. They don't appear to be especially well thought-out. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 3, 2024 12:33:13 GMT -8
Just wondering does this make the team younger or older? This guy would help address the we’re too young issue. He'd be hazed as the young 'un on BYU's team. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 3, 2024 12:36:30 GMT -8
Nice kid. But what makes him think he'll find a better landing spot? Just scratching my head over some of these decisions. They don't appear to be especially well thought-out. Maybe he hates the situation he's in. Maybe he has seen everything Tinkle has to offer and feels like it's not working for him. Maybe he's tired of losing. Maybe he feels there's a coaching staff that can make him better. Maybe he's tired of the rain. Who knows? But yeah, I get it. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 3, 2024 12:36:59 GMT -8
Nice kid. But what makes him think he'll find a better landing spot? Just scratching my head over some of these decisions. They don't appear to be especially well thought-out. Depends on what you mean by “better landing spot.” Would think he can find a team that will win more than OSU has during his time here and certainly more than team next year. Will he get the same amount of minutes? Probably not likely. Will he get more NIL money? Again probably not likely or at least not by much. Depends on what he wants. He just might want to play for a team that wins some games. I think the cumulative conference record for teams he’s played on so far is 19-60. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 3, 2024 12:39:40 GMT -8
Marial, too.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 3, 2024 12:44:16 GMT -8
Did you read the basis of both posts? If JC is correct on his radio show that Pope thinks he's getting mid-6 figures... he's getting crap advice! Not one school collective gives out 6 figure deals. I've pasted numerous articles to refute that. Including from Nevada on the BS Lucas received $100k. 6 figure deals are corporate. Pope is not a national name, he's not even regional. Except to those who closely follow west coast hoops and insiders... coaches/recruiters... Pope is a role filler. He's not a number 1 option at any elite school. NIL BS about supposed #s hopefully will die down some with the new procedures on direct contact. No more lies about what was offered to hope for more. No more BS from collectives to get a kid to sign then the kid never gets what was offered. But, if you mean Pope might get more than OSU can give... yep, NIL will be involved. However, that doesn't change the OP and my posts. Let's say OSU has a couple large collectives and our $n went to that. Leia say Pope received mid-5 figures because we gave and could afford it. Pope could still enter and seek more. I and many others aren't playing that game with any athlete. An athlete that isn't tied to the school or staff, but to $$. They are temporary fixtures. Let 'em go. Plus, anyone that thinks OSU is EVER, EVER going to br able to have NIL collectives to get/keep, and repeating that, 5 figure players is off their rocker. OSU is not and never will be a major elite P5 type school. The sooner some come to grips with that the less strife and stress some will have. OSU can be highly successful in their own niche and way. But, keeping up with the "Joneses" isn't possible in today's climate. First, I agree that the mid-six figures for Pope is not realistic nor was the $100k for Lucas. However, I have pushed back on your assertion that no one in college basketball is getting 100k. I don’t think you are correct. I DMed the insider on the Illini board and asked him how many kids are getting at least a $100k — none, 5, 50, just about every P4 school has at least one? As I’ve said before, this guy is well connected in college bball world (coaches, AAU programs, and the Illinois program specifically). His answer was: “Many, many, many kids are getting 100k ... We had 4 guys on our team last year that got over 100k ... One guy got over 500k ... “ Now I don’t know what “many, many, many” exactly means, but it certainly isn’t none. Now I don’t know all the intricacies of how and from where NIL money is disbursed, so maybe it’s not coming from a NIL collective per se. But there are kids getting that much. Certainly numbers are exaggerated (mainly by players and their camps I believe) and I think there are a lot of players with $ signs dancing in their heads who end up very disappointed. And there are schools that over promise and the kids end up not getting what was “owed,”. But it would not surprise me in the least if Pope gets $100k or more (but not mid 6 figures). I’m guessing the Illini player getting $500k was Terrance Shannon, Jr., and Pope ain’t no TSJ. I also asked him if he would pass along any info he might hear about landing spots for Pope, Tyler and Rataj. He said he’s already heard UCLA is interested in Pope. First, "no one from school collectives", guess I worded it poorly. The corporate/private collective deals are typically the bigger deals, and even those are merch based and on inflated retail amounts. Also deals also include amounts not even given to athletes but are donations to charities and organizations of their choice. Paige Bueckers is a perfect example of NIL deals where she personally doesn't gain financially yet her NIL "valuation" is mid 6 figures... donations to charity, opening a store in her old middle school, etc: www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/paige-bueckers-nil-deals-sponsors-money/9b8778adbc0181fe7568a80cYour insider may want to look at the public record. All NIL deals have to be vetted and reported, and in most States still are public record. I have posted multiple AD reports, including Kansas, Nevada, UConn, etc... thru the 2023 season. The average NIL deal is 4 figures. Are their some getting much more? Yep. All "legally"? Probably not. But, those large numbers also inflate the "average". Kansas... sorry Kansas is a blue blood, had (5) reported $10k deals... total... in their entire athletic department. I'd love to have your insider state if it is word of mouth or he's actually seen the written contracts... as there must be a written contract for every NIL deal. My guess... word of mouth. At last look there is about 353 D1 teams... 15 per roster allowed... 5295 potential D1 hoops players. Let's say there is what... 70-80 upper tier teams... 20-30 elite teams. How many do you think have the $ to give out even multiple 5 figure deals? Multiple 6 figure deals? And, as I've said any of these deals are few and far between and far from the norm. Very few players warrant even the mention of that type of money as as the NCAA has stated in their new approach numbers have been greatly exaggerated by collective offers and not being fulfilled, and word of mouth by players/families/agents of numbers that did not exist. There is a group of us that laugh at all these numbers because they are thrown about like fact and is if large numbers of players are just being handed large envelops of cash. One guy is a VP of a large investment firm... he likes to chime in with numbers... is there some large pool of money being doled out? Like $50 mil nation wide... which would mean the average NIL deal is like $9k... IF you're talking JUST D1 MBB. And, as evidenced by players who speak up NIL deals aren't mainly about any cash payments. The point is there are very few of the "rich" and they are getting "richer"... and the same goes for some players. Very few are getting rich, and the largest fallacy is that these top players can make more in college. If they are a top, elite player getting large NIL deals they can make more overseas and in the NBA as it is salary/CASH. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 3, 2024 12:46:06 GMT -8
I guess we will see. Hopefully he's graduated, or on track to.
Another guy who conveniently "weighed his options" until after the term had begun, even though we haven't played since March 13 and the portal has been open for almost three weeks.
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 3, 2024 12:52:36 GMT -8
I guess we will see. Hopefully he's graduated, or on track to. Another guy who conveniently "weighed his options" until after the term had begun, even though we haven't played since March 13 and the portal has been open for almost three weeks. I’m pretty sure Pope walked on senior day. I didn’t really expect him back anyways. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 3, 2024 12:56:40 GMT -8
I guess we will see. Hopefully he's graduated, or on track to. Another guy who conveniently "weighed his options" until after the term had begun, even though we haven't played since March 13 and the portal has been open for almost three weeks. I’m pretty sure Pope walked on senior day. I didn’t really expect him back anyways. I'm pretty sure Sophs don't walk on Sr day... And I can say that he also did not get enough credits to be a Sr! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 3, 2024 12:58:07 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure Pope walked on senior day. I didn’t really expect him back anyways. I'm pretty sure Sophs don't walk on Sr day... And I can say that he also did not get enough credits to be a Sr! He didn't walk....Akanno and Marial did. |
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Post by takethatbeav on Apr 3, 2024 13:00:23 GMT -8
You guys act surprised, I’ve been telling you that they were all gone for months already
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 3, 2024 13:02:18 GMT -8
You guys act surprised, I’ve been telling you that they were all gone for months already Exactly who act surprised? I haven't seen it from anyone. Keep patting yourself on the back Captain Obvious. |
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