bill82
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Post by bill82 on Apr 3, 2024 19:45:57 GMT -8
I'm sure there are multipe thoughts and reasons in play when a player decides to transfer and it's a complex decision but my basic general thoughts and feelings are that I am of the opinion, without any factual evidence, that the main reason most of the players that decide to transfer out is due to the fact of not being in a P5 conference for at least the next 2 years. All these players are highly regarded, competitive athletes and one of the main reasons they chose OSU was because it was in the best WBB conference in the country with some of the best teams and some of the best players. The culture and coaching staff was a big draw of course but being challenged and competing against the best is what these kids have been dreaming about and working towards since high school or before. Multiple players have stated that over and over since the day they arrived on campus. You can't just take the fight out of the dog. Some of these players have WNBA aspirations and playing in the WCC for the next 2 years in not going to further that cause either. NIL has little to no bearing on their decision in my opinion. Some may end up with NIL deals when they sign with a new school but it's not their reason for entering the portal in the first place I don't think. Just some of my thoughts simplified on what is a very complicated topic these days, college sports. l don't know anything, just needed to get some of these thoughts out before I explode. Not finger pointing or getting player specific, just a ramble mostly. I'm just sad over the whole thing. This season was the most enjoyabe season I have ever had watching Oregon State Women's Basketball. I'll stay hopefull but think it will be a few years for a season like this to happen again. Regardless, with the players, as well as any of the coaching staff for that matter, there is not much anyone can do about it. If somebody thinks a different situation is better for them and wants to move on then they are going to go. Bottom line, when the portal gets all your best players every year, you WILL cease to exist as a college sport. Who is going to pay $$ to watch MWC minor league WBB at OSU? The attendance will shrink to nada in a very short time, especially should 2 or 3 more starters leave as rumored. You might as well give free tickets cause you're to going to sell many to folks that loved the TEAM this year. We're all waiting for the other shoe to drop, I think it's close, sadly. Mark Few has figured it out. Scott can too. Maybe not with this group because they came under different pretenses. But new recruits will be buying into a Gonzaga-type opportunity.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 3, 2024 20:28:31 GMT -8
For every portal signing there is an unsigned high school player.
If you're a decent recruiter, can develop talent, can coach, have the resume of wins there are plenty of talented young WBB out there. And they aren't all 5* types.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 3, 2024 20:34:46 GMT -8
Hard to filter through all this. Is TVO the only transfer so far?
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 3, 2024 21:01:56 GMT -8
Hard to filter through all this. Is TVO the only transfer so far? Only confirmed one so far
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Post by jimbob on Apr 3, 2024 22:03:47 GMT -8
Hard to filter through all this. Is TVO the only transfer so far? Only confirmed one so far True but our CEO posted this 8 hrs ago: "Rumors are that Timea has filed her transfer portal paperwork."....And when TheGlove posts we should listen!
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Post by scottybooks on Apr 3, 2024 22:08:13 GMT -8
The Green Comet whispered to me that Rueck is assembling a super team to take to Tennessee: four or five Beavs, Van Slooten, Amoore, Leger-Walker, all to march to the Final Four promised land next year.
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Post by jimbob on Apr 3, 2024 22:44:26 GMT -8
My gut feeling is that Coach Rueck will stay put and see this out regardless of how many of his good players leave in the portal. He will take the long-term outlook with a rebuilt Pac. He has a secure long term contract that pays him very well to stay "home" and one thing I've admired about Coach Rueck is that he relishes challenges---If people say it can't be done he will take that challenge and prove them wrong. He has a proven track record of building winners and championship contending teams from literally a bare cupboard. Look for however this current situation plays out and however bleak it might look after the portal closes for Coach Rueck to remain positive and ready to tackle the new challenge and show once again what he can do!
Disclaimer: A few months ago I posted over on the football board that coach JS would stay and gave a few reasons why he would stay---Less than 24hrs later he left!
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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 4, 2024 4:49:35 GMT -8
The Green Comet whispered to me that Rueck is assembling a super team to take to Tennessee: four or five Beavs, Van Slooten, Amoore, Leger-Walker, all to march to the Final Four promised land next year. If that were actually the case, he would have to be fired for cause and perp walked out the building. Therefore, I don't think that is what is happening.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 4, 2024 5:10:37 GMT -8
My gut feeling is that Coach Rueck will stay put and see this out regardless of how many of his good players leave in the portal. He will take the long-term outlook with a rebuilt Pac. He has a secure long term contract that pays him very well to stay "home" and one thing I've admired about Coach Rueck is that he relishes challenges---If people say it can't be done he will take that challenge and prove them wrong. He has a proven track record of building winners and championship contending teams from literally a bare cupboard. Look for however this current situation plays out and however bleak it might look after the portal closes for Coach Rueck to remain positive and ready to tackle the new challenge and show once again what he can do! Disclaimer: A few months ago I posted over on the football board that coach JS would stay and gave a few reasons why he would stay---Less than 24hrs later he left! Loved this post until that last paragraph. I really hope Rueck is content to stay in Corvallis.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 4, 2024 8:49:20 GMT -8
For every portal signing there is an unsigned high school player. If you're a decent recruiter, can develop talent, can coach, have the resume of wins there are plenty of talented young WBB out there. And they aren't all 5* types. Sure, but until the conference the Beavs will be playing in is settled, it will be a tough road to hoe. You can bring in 2* players that quickly develop into 4* players, but will they want to stick around your program when they can hop to another city, conference, coach, program, or school, every year. I think the 2012/2013 or 2022/2023 teams show you what it's like when you have good young talent. They are still likely to have losing seasons. Our coaches right now can't even tell newcomers what conference they will be playing in, if any, 3 years from now. They have their work cut out for them. SR has always been a recruiter who builds relationships over the years with his recruits. With the portal, everything moves in fast forward. That long term 'build a relationship' plan has turned into a 'meet and greet' and hope they like you. So far, SR has had mixed results with transfers. While I agree with what you are saying, I think it's going to require SR and staff to be even better than they've been in the past in identifying both the High School and transfer players that can help him develop the teams he wants, and their may not even be the time factor to develop teams the same way he did in the past. I may be totally wrong on this, but I think Aleah may be a major help in recruiting both High School players and transfers. Whatever the future holds, I thankful for what SR and staff put together this season. They were a joy to watch.
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Post by grayman on Apr 4, 2024 9:46:29 GMT -8
I'm just in wait and see mode at this point. Getting all riled up (which I did as well) about half the players on the team possibly hitting the portal isn't worth it unless it actually happens. Right now, TVO is out and it looks like Timea might be headed that way. That's bad, but what if that's pretty much the extent of it? Or that another two or so also leave but they weren't playing much? I touched on this in an earlier post but I think the big key is to retain Beers, then Timea and Hunter. Timea might be out but the Beavers will be in good shape if Beers and Hunter stay along with several others (Dom is up there). Rueck can just bring in a couple transfers and hopefully hit on them. Of course things will be really bad if all the top players leave. If that happens I just have to believe there's more to the story than just the WCC factor (or maybe the WCC decision is part of a larger issue). TVO MAY HAVE hinted at this with her deeply personal comment but of course that could be referring to anything. As for Rueck leaving, that would explain a lot. But I just don't see it (Jonathan Smith notwithstanding).
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 4, 2024 10:09:27 GMT -8
A couple things about TVO. She did say the reason was deeply personal, which could mean a number of things, some of which may convince most of us that the best thing for her would be to transfer to take care of this deeply personal situation. Another thing that I saw from someone who runs a page about OSU WBB, was their message to TVO that said something to the sense that this was out of TVO's control, or mostly out of her control, or something to that effect. Obviously, most of us don't know what all of this is about, and we probably shouldn't hold this against her considering we don't know the whole story.
As for Timea, if she leaves that would be a big blow to the roster. My guess would be that she might reconsider Stanford. As much as I like Talia, replacing her would be much easier than trying to replace her and Timea, and of course, if Raegan leaves, it's a whole new ballgame.
Too bad we have to talk about this stuff instead of how great this team would be if they stuck together another year.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 4, 2024 10:26:57 GMT -8
Really no reason to get "riled" either way. It won't change a thing.
OSU being "ok" has many facets. The most concerning to me is that everyone, that includes SR, knows there is a high probability of players leaving no matter the team's success. Yet, OSU has no recruits signed or as far as I can tell interested?? Maybe SR is only planning on vets thru the portal as he has enough youth?!
As for player retention the #1 priority, biggest loss, would be Timea. There are very very few 6'3" stretch 4s with complete offensive games. And, she's just getting started.
Don would be next IMHO... poised 6'+ PG that can drop a key "3", or penetrate vs smaller guards is also rare in a youngster.
Dom would be my 3rd. So strong, versatile, yet a bit predictable. As only a Frosh in the US game she has a ton of upside. However, she doesn't need to portal. She can go home at any time and make more playing than any NIL she'll be offered.
Beers is the board fav. I get it. But, she very limited offensively and can be a liability vs mobile 5's and those built like her but truly 6'5"+. She has the most "growing" to do to become a complete player. A face-up game, improve FTs, discipline on D vs reaching and coming down from vertical on interior shots. Again, not disparaging her game or importance these past two seasons. I just see her as easier (mot easy) to be replaced than the other skill sets above. Even with "big by committee" if needed. IMHO SR's biggest '23 blunder was Kelsey and Heidi. One, or both, needed to be a more effective big even if a frosh to develop behind Beers.
Injuries, bad luck, bad play, the portal, NIL... crap happens. We can certainly have our opinions, but all of it is out of anyone's real control. If one gets riled up at every negative turn in life... well, that's a miserable existence. Same with teams we root for... let's see how it plays out.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 4, 2024 10:28:04 GMT -8
A couple things about TVO. She did say the reason was deeply personal, which could mean a number of things, some of which may convince most of us that the best thing for her would be to transfer to take care of this deeply personal situation. Another thing that I saw from someone who runs a page about OSU WBB, was their message to TVO that said something to the sense that this was out of TVO's control, or mostly out of her control, or something to that effect. Obviously, most of us don't know what all of this is about, and we probably shouldn't hold this against her considering we don't know the whole story. As for Timea, if she leaves that would be a big blow to the roster. My guess would be that she might reconsider Stanford. As much as I like Talia, replacing her would be much easier than trying to replace her and Timea, and of course, if Raegan leaves, it's a whole new ballgame. Too bad we have to talk about this stuff instead of how great this team would be if they stuck together another year. Well then don't talk about it. What is the point in being negative about something that hasn't happened, that you have no solid proof will happen, and that you have zero control over.? It is premature weeping and gnashing of teeth. Before Talia's announcement, we were all excited about this team and what it could do next year. Two days later you have Rueck, his staff, Raegan & Timea, and several players to be named later, all departing for greener pastures. Why don't you just take a breath, calm down, and have a little come-to-Jesus with yourself about the whole thing. I just looked out the window and the sky hasn't fallen.
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Post by grayman on Apr 4, 2024 10:28:26 GMT -8
A couple things about TVO. She did say the reason was deeply personal, which could mean a number of things, some of which may convince most of us that the best thing for her would be to transfer to take care of this deeply personal situation. Another thing that I saw from someone who runs a page about OSU WBB, was their message to TVO that said something to the sense that this was out of TVO's control, or mostly out of her control, or something to that effect. Obviously, most of us don't know what all of this is about, and we probably shouldn't hold this against her considering we don't know the whole story. As for Timea, if she leaves that would be a big blow to the roster. My guess would be that she might reconsider Stanford. As much as I like Talia, replacing her would be much easier than trying to replace her and Timea, and of course, if Raegan leaves, it's a whole new ballgame. Too bad we have to talk about this stuff instead of how great this team would be if they stuck together another year. The Beavers already have a player who can step in to a large degree for TVO in Dom (assuming she stays). The tough part is I actually considered TVO to be not only the team leader but IMO she was actually the "glue" for the Beavers. She was not the go-to scorer but she definitely was the go-to shooter in big moments. She's a really good rebounder for a guard and was great at running the half court offense and was a great passer (but pushed it too far which led to some sloppy turnovers). Replacing Timea is difficult but IMO she is still very much in a developmental stage in many ways due to the injury last year. There are several players in the portal in the 6-2 range, so a little smaller, who can bring some of that all-around game to the court. I think maybe Rueck would go after someone like that and maybe a true big as well. Of course, Rueck might be rebuilding most of the team when it's all said and done.
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