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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 8, 2024 20:55:59 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 8, 2024 21:04:40 GMT -8
Unlike Tinkle, Hopkins never came close to an Elite 8 in his final five seasons so UW had no reason to extend him.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 8, 2024 23:53:52 GMT -8
That didn’t take long!! I knew it! Ha ha
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 9, 2024 6:47:33 GMT -8
There was already a one year extension in his contract for doing what he did. There was no reason to give him another three.
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2024 7:45:05 GMT -8
There was already a one year extension in his contract for doing what he did. There was no reason to give him another three. You're kidding, right? Tinkle deserved the extension. But with the Elite Eight appearance, the basketball program deserved rejuvenation and a stronger commitment from the university. And fans deserved a winning season or two.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 9, 2024 7:54:22 GMT -8
There was already a one year extension in his contract for doing what he did. There was no reason to give him another three. That’s the big thing. No one was going to poach him given his overall record at OSU. And while we all greatly enjoyed the E8 run. I doubt it did much to elevate him in coaching circles given that the team was .500 in conference and plus 2 overall in regular season. You give him the raise and maybe tack on another year. That’s why I don’t have a big problem with his current salary — the E8 run earned him a raise. Hopefully Barnes has learned that years are more important than money to a large extent and he doesn’t negotiate against himself in the future.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 9, 2024 8:31:23 GMT -8
As far as extensions go, Hopkins hasn't won 18 games in a season since the 2018 season. He hasn't showed a real reason to get an extension.
Tinkle in the other hand won 18 games in the '18 ans '19 seasons and then had the elite 8 season the following season... then extension.... didn't turn out well, but it wasn't far-fetched at the time.
Another thing, in the ladt 6 seasons at UW, Hopkins won fewer games that the previous season 3 separate times, if they lose out it'll be 4 out of 7 seasons that he has had a worse season record than the year before. For the "trend" lovers, that's not a lot to get excited about. Tinkle has had a worse season record than the previous season only twice in 10 years...those drops were doozies, but have been followed by improving records (not in as big of leaps as many hope) at least.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 9, 2024 8:38:51 GMT -8
There was already a one year extension in his contract for doing what he did. There was no reason to give him another three. That’s the big thing. No one was going to poach him given his overall record at OSU. And while we all greatly enjoyed the E8 run. I doubt it did much to elevate him in coaching circles given that the team was .500 in conference and plus 2 overall in regular season. You give him the raise and maybe tack on another year. That’s why I don’t have a big problem with his current salary — the E8 run earned him a raise. Hopefully Barnes has learned that years are more important than money to a large extent and he doesn’t negotiate against himself in the future. Unless you at the top of the athletic department, or have had the people at the top of the athletic department tell you directly it's the case.... none of us can say if there was interest in Tinkle or not. OSU basketball was bad for decades. Tinkle took them to the tournament in short order, had a good shot at the NIT 2 seasons in a row then an elite 8 run. There may or may not have been some casting about at the time. Only the true insiders would know.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 9, 2024 9:21:29 GMT -8
Well IF (a BIG IF) there were schools really interested in hiring tinkle away they all have a sigh of relief today.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 9, 2024 9:26:24 GMT -8
Tinkle in his 10th year has last place locked up. Yet there are still some of you who think next year is the year. The only reason he hasn't been canned is 8.7.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 9, 2024 9:37:12 GMT -8
"...none of us can say if there was interest in Tinkle or not."
Funny the same applies both ways as this was one of the key justifications used in this board. I guess for some of there is not a double standard they'd have none.
UW has expectations for their hoop program. Hopkins has far better numbers than WT with a .527 overall, .450 in Pac12 play, a regular season Pac12 title, average 17 wins per, twice Pac12 and District 20 COY. Not to mention the level if recruits he brought in.
Maybe not the greatest coach. Maybe Seattle not the best fit. But, he'd have lifetime contract here.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 9, 2024 9:41:00 GMT -8
That’s the big thing. No one was going to poach him given his overall record at OSU. And while we all greatly enjoyed the E8 run. I doubt it did much to elevate him in coaching circles given that the team was .500 in conference and plus 2 overall in regular season. You give him the raise and maybe tack on another year. That’s why I don’t have a big problem with his current salary — the E8 run earned him a raise. Hopefully Barnes has learned that years are more important than money to a large extent and he doesn’t negotiate against himself in the future. Unless you at the top of the athletic department, or have had the people at the top of the athletic department tell you directly it's the case.... none of us can say if there was interest in Tinkle or not. OSU basketball was bad for decades. Tinkle took them to the tournament in short order, had a good shot at the NIT 2 seasons in a row then an elite 8 run. There may or may not have been some casting about at the time. Only the true insiders would know. First, enough with the almost made 2 NITs. The only people who care or believe that are Beaver fans. I follow college basketball pretty closely and I can’t recall seeing any mention of “and he almost got to 2 NITs” when discussing a coach’s resume. Tinkle was making $2.2M before the extension. His overall record was 113-109 and his conference record was 52-76. He had 1 year over .500 in conference and 2 years at .500. I’m not going to do the research, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find a coach with that record who was then hired at a top school — especially with his mediocre recruiting record outside of the “sons.” And at that salary, today he’d be in top 60 best paid coaches, so probably was higher rank back then, it would have had to been a top job. Then when you factor in he had a raise to $2.5 on the table, I don’t have to be an insider to know that he wasn’t in demand. Further, if you want to look back in my posts I ran through the jobs that were open that year and none of the schools who had top openings would have been interested in him. Plenty of discussions on here whether Tinkle should have been let go prior to that season, and though I tended toward the time to let him go side, I could see the other side’s points. Those points were not anywhere close to what it would have taken for a school with a top job to be interested in him — even with the E8 run with a regular season record of 14-12. Barnes botched the extension. Hopefully he’s learned.
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Post by irimi on Mar 9, 2024 10:05:25 GMT -8
I think it's important to look at what was going on at OSU before Tinkle arrived. If you are concerned about conference wins, like speakthetruth is, then historically, Robinson had 2 8-win seasons, John had 1 8-win season, and Tinkle has had 1 8-win, 1 9-win, and 2 10-win seasons. That's the best we've seen here Miller and Anderson. But that doesn't mean that we fans don't deserve better because we do. We definitely do. But basketball ends up being a low priority sport. Football and Baseball, Women's Basketball and Gymnastics all take top billing. So MBB at OSU needs revitalization. Perhaps that means money. Maybe it means marketing. Who knows? I just don't think OSU sees MBB as important enough to throw money and time at it. Would Tinkle have been a better coach with more resources? I think an argument could be made that he might have been. I think he did his best under the circumstances, and if the 21-22 season had not occurred, he could have left here with his head held high.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2024 10:25:01 GMT -8
Tinkle in his 10th year has last place locked up. Yet there are still some of you who think next year is the year. The only reason he hasn't been canned is 8.7. A lot of parity at the bottom this year. 5-14 would be 11th last year, tied for 10th the year before, and 10th the year before that. No truly awful teams in the Pac-12 this year. If the team stays together, next year is Oregon State's year in the West Coast Conference. No doubts in my mind.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2024 10:26:17 GMT -8
"...none of us can say if there was interest in Tinkle or not." Funny the same applies both ways as this was one of the key justifications used in this board. I guess for some of there is not a double standard they'd have none. UW has expectations for their hoop program. Hopkins has far better numbers than WT with a .527 overall, .450 in Pac12 play, a regular season Pac12 title, average 17 wins per, twice Pac12 and District 20 COY. Not to mention the level if recruits he brought in. Maybe not the greatest coach. Maybe Seattle not the best fit. But, he'd have lifetime contract here.
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