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Post by beaverstever on Feb 10, 2024 10:36:07 GMT -8
Yeah, traveling calls...I am clueless it seems. I see players take off from standing at the 3 pt line and get called a lot for traveling. I tried to research, found the bit below, still wondering: Dom took like, 4 steps from standing, was it legal? I don't want to hijack this thread into a rules discussion so, one or two opinions is all I ask. In the NBA and FIBA, when a player has taken more than two steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. The NCAA and NFHS do not allow two steps. A travel can also be called via carrying or an unestablished pivot foot. In real time I thought it was an obvious travel. On the replay, I thought it was still a travel but much closer than I thought. They called the foul before the travel anyway (but also don’t think a foul occurred). On the other hand, Utah was slamming into bodies all night and slapping at the ball regularly, so eventually refs will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, and I thought that’s what happened in that sequence. Utah does a ton of acting in bumps pretending the contact was much harder than it was. That was the situation with Times in that sequence, the defender was jumping into hear and trying to bait her into pushing off; they ref decided Timea was just trying to hold her position when getting bodied, and I agree it was the correct call, she extended her are AFTER she was fouled. And their coach whining about it was app part of the gamesmanship of trying to find clever ways to counter OSU’s superior physicality. It didn’t work, and it shouldn’t have.
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 10, 2024 10:38:34 GMT -8
I agree that those calls were upsetting to Utah. Also, they disputed the double dribble call. I thought the double dribble and the non-travel of Paurova were questionable, but not clearly wrong. I watched them several times on replay and could see how the double dribble could be called either way. The non-travel on Paurova was hard, too. That Euro-step always looks like traveling to me, but is clearly being accepted as legit. I watched that double dribble call a couple times and didn't see the double dribble, then I watched the 3rd time and saw it. The player dribbled the ball, pick it up briefly, and then took off dribbling. After seeing it, I thought 'wow, that official was pretty good to catch that'. On that Paurova play, I have no idea. Looks like too many steps to me. Raegan seems to get the bad end of a lot of calls because she is so strong. Two players pushing on each other and the one goes tumbling because the other one (Raegan) is too strong. I'm sure Raegan also gets a lot of calls in her favor though. I just hate seeing her strength punished.
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Post by greybeav on Feb 10, 2024 12:01:08 GMT -8
Thanks for all the feed back !
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Post by grayman on Feb 10, 2024 12:05:51 GMT -8
I agree that those calls were upsetting to Utah. Also, they disputed the double dribble call. I thought the double dribble and the non-travel of Paurova were questionable, but not clearly wrong. I watched them several times on replay and could see how the double dribble could be called either way. The non-travel on Paurova was hard, too. That Euro-step always looks like traveling to me, but is clearly being accepted as legit. I watched that double dribble call a couple times and didn't see the double dribble, then I watched the 3rd time and saw it. The player dribbled the ball, pick it up briefly, and then took off dribbling. After seeing it, I thought 'wow, that official was pretty good to catch that'. On that Paurova play, I have no idea. Looks like too many steps to me. Raegan seems to get the bad end of a lot of calls because she is so strong. Two players pushing on each other and the one goes tumbling because the other one (Raegan) is too strong. I'm sure Raegan also gets a lot of calls in her favor though. I just hate seeing her strength punished. IMO Beers is an outlier in women's college basketball...there's just no other players that have the combination of strength, size and athletic ability that Beers has and I don't think many of the officials fully understand that those are attributes, not negatives.
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Post by greybeav on Feb 10, 2024 12:11:35 GMT -8
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Post by beav74 on Feb 10, 2024 12:33:05 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.”
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 10, 2024 13:34:51 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.” Yep... key word "reminds". Like her or not she a pretty good judge to make such comparisons. Someone earlier sort of dissed her comment in terms of not thinking this is a F4 team this year. Maybe? But, "reminds" is not "is". Plus, not many actually believed the F4 team was one (hoped we did), until it was. Or at least into the E8. Sh&t happens in tourneys, top seeds tumble to open unseen opportunities.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 10, 2024 13:36:47 GMT -8
Looked like a classic scoville ref'd game to me.
I didn't see the double dribble live but there were obstructions in the way. Slowed down and it absolutely was a double dribble.
As for the physicality of the game, we beat Utah at their own game. They play hack and whack all the time. Pili fouled her way through this game as usual. Anytime a player is on the back of an opponent and her hands are on the front, basically hugging them, it should be called a foul. By the second period that was the only chance she had against Raegan.
Dom's travel depends on when the foul was called. I don't think any of us or Utah fans or staff can say.
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Post by osu82 on Feb 10, 2024 13:42:48 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.” It was a nice compliment. The FF team was stacked. 4 future WNBA 1st or 2nd rounders, PAC-12 POY, AP All-Americans, plus PAC-12 conference and PAC-12 tournament champions. Pretty good company to be compared to.
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Post by wcbeav on Feb 10, 2024 13:56:01 GMT -8
Two observations - Beers and the refs reminds me of Steve Johnson and Lonnie Shelton, in that she's just so strong .... you get the wrong ref and it's hard to keep them on the floor. - I thought #35 Pili travelled at least four times. She was always shuffling her feet after catching the ball before shooting. Not to mention, she was a foul machine, especially on offense. Imagine if Beers got that latitude, she'd be at 30 per game.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 10, 2024 14:09:41 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.” Rueck has been saying this since very early in the season. If they are or aren't we will just have to wait and see. I'm certainly not going to say they can't do something. Don't ever bet against a strong defensive team. Did anyone else notice that the noise didn't appear to bother the Beavs, not the slightest bit.
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Post by ffymdr123 on Feb 10, 2024 14:20:21 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.” Rueck has been saying this since very early in the season. If they are or aren't we will just have to wait and see. I'm certainly not going to say they can't do something. Don't ever bet against a strong defensive team. Did anyone else notice that the noise didn't appear to bother the Beavs, not the slightest bit. There didn't seem to be much noise to be bothered by. The Beavs kept the crowd in check most of the night. Utah's most consecutive points scored was 7 and the Beavs immediately followed it up with 7 of their own to negate it. OSU scored the first basket of the second half and Utah never got the game into single digits after that.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 10, 2024 15:55:42 GMT -8
From PAC-12 announcer Charli Turner Thorne: “…this team reminds me of their Final Four team.” Yep... key word "reminds". Like her or not she a pretty good judge to make such comparisons. Someone earlier sort of dissed her comment in terms of not thinking this is a F4 team this year. Maybe? But, "reminds" is not "is". Plus, not many actually believed the F4 team was one (hoped we did), until it was. Or at least into the E8. Sh&t happens in tourneys, top seeds tumble to open unseen opportunities. That 2016 Final Four team began the season as defending Pac-12 Champions, returning everyone from the 2015 team but Ali Gibson. They finished 2015 ranked 10th in both polls. Ruth, Jamie and Sydney were returning all-Pac-12 with Ruth as returning Pac-12 defensive POY. Most folks following NCAA WBB expected them to be very good. pac-12.com/article/2015/11/04/media-select-oregon-state-2015-16-favorite
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 10, 2024 17:48:15 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thought it was classless of the Utah coach to complain about the officiating? She made it sound like da utes were getting hosed. I dunno, there were a couple flops by her team (on Beers) that should've been no calls.
And beyond that, the refs did not affect the outcome of the game. The Beavs are a bad matchup for da utes. They have no answer for Beers. Our length+ athleticism is too much for them, especially if they are not hot from beyond the arc.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 10, 2024 18:01:40 GMT -8
Looked like a classic scoville ref'd game to me. I didn't see the double dribble live but there were obstructions in the way. Slowed down and it absolutely was a double dribble. As for the physicality of the game, we beat Utah at their own game. They play hack and whack all the time. Pili fouled her way through this game as usual. Anytime a player is on the back of an opponent and her hands are on the front, basically hugging them, it should be called a foul. By the second period that was the only chance she had against Raegan. Dom's travel depends on when the foul was called. I don't think any of us or Utah fans or staff can say. I hadn't watched Utah play until last night. They are tenacious on D for sure......even chippy. They push the envelope. Our girls really handled it well. I thought our defensive effort was impressive. That block by Rees was one of my favorite plays from this team so far. That's the kind of play that fires the whole team up, and demoralizes the opponent.
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