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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 6, 2024 23:26:31 GMT -8
Imagine trying to close out a massive game and deciding Mannen should play over Gardiner. That's a hell of a take.
Who in their right mind would think that 5'5" player should play in the same position as a 6'3"? Not to mention comparing a walk on to a 5* recruit.
Would love to have AJ in the 4th Q instead of Noelle, who was uninvolved all night.
If Mannen is out there too their options are too limited.
Noelle is a liability against pac12 teams and Rueck seems hypnotized by her.
Counter that with the positive posts that mention her...........
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Post by markarmour04 on Feb 7, 2024 0:02:59 GMT -8
A naysayer could suggest that the key decision for this year's team came when Mannen decided not to return, because you know she'd be playing 25 minutes a game. Just can't pass up a chance to trash talk Noelle even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual thread. Just curious, where did you start on a d1 team? I brought this up because the thread had turned into “ha ha where are the naysayers now?” Going 17-3 with this team doesn’t mean that his decisions last year are suddenly correct. Honestly have nothing against Noelle as a person, and I admire her story. But I believed and still believe that Rueck’s elevation of her to a key part of the team undermined OSU’s chances to compete last year. She played 37 minutes at Stanford in a game we lost by 3 points, for just one example. Hey, Scott obviously believed that we competed with Stanford *because* of Noelle. And it’s just one person’s opinion; I’m not asking for agreement. |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 7, 2024 7:18:08 GMT -8
A naysayer could suggest that the key decision for this year's team came when Mannen decided not to return, because you know she'd be playing 25 minutes a game. Did she have a chance to use a covid year? I searched to see if she's playing anywhere else and came up empty. (I'm a fan of the team but not as up to speed on player movement and such) |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 7, 2024 8:17:29 GMT -8
A naysayer could suggest that the key decision for this year's team came when Mannen decided not to return, because you know she'd be playing 25 minutes a game. Did she have a chance to use a covid year? I searched to see if she's playing anywhere else and came up empty. (I'm a fan of the team but not as up to speed on player movement and such) Yes, she had a covid year. She's being a sports reporter among other things. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 7, 2024 8:25:33 GMT -8
Just can't pass up a chance to trash talk Noelle even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual thread. Just curious, where did you start on a d1 team? I brought this up because the thread had turned into “ha ha where are the naysayers now?” Going 17-3 with this team doesn’t mean that his decisions last year are suddenly correct. Honestly have nothing against Noelle as a person, and I admire her story. But I believed and still believe that Rueck’s elevation of her to a key part of the team undermined OSU’s chances to compete last year. She played 37 minutes at Stanford in a game we lost by 3 points, for just one example. Hey, Scott obviously believed that we competed with Stanford *because* of Noelle. And it’s just one person’s opinion; I’m not asking for agreement. Noelle was the only player who had a cumulative positive in the +/- at the end of last year. But you go with your theory about how bad she was for the team and I will stick with how she was needed because all of these new guards didn't know how to play Rueck's version of defense. |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 7, 2024 9:46:06 GMT -8
It’s really easy to second -guess in retrospect.
What I think Mannen did to get playing time in general is that last years’s roster had a many of players struggling with confidence. Mannen had come to terms with believing she belonged even though many did not believe in her (and still don’t). I’ve felt a lot of her playing time last year was more about being a mentally stabilizing force for the other players than anything else.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 7, 2024 11:16:54 GMT -8
A naysayer could suggest that the key decision for this year's team came when Mannen decided not to return, because you know she'd be playing 25 minutes a game. Did she have a chance to use a covid year? I searched to see if she's playing anywhere else and came up empty. (I'm a fan of the team but not as up to speed on player movement and such) IIRC, she and Jelena left their 5th year on the table. Both had the opportunity to return but since they had graduated they chose to move ahead with their lives. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 7, 2024 11:22:50 GMT -8
A naysayer could suggest that the key decision for this year's team came when Mannen decided not to return, because you know she'd be playing 25 minutes a game. No I don’t. In fact Noelle’s decision not to use her COVID season was almost certainly strongly influenced by 2 highly skilled freshmen point guards coming in & relegating her to the bench. I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott delivered that message to her personally. But, haters gonna hate. |
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 7, 2024 12:50:37 GMT -8
Judge Smails doesn’t like Rueck because Rueck ran between Judge’s legs several years ago in a pick-up game and punched Judge in the privates. Actually, what I see is a lot of what Smails has mentioned. The wbb game has changed tremendously in just a few years. Nearly every team has an in-your-face point guard who pressures constantly. If the ball isn’t pushed up the court quickly, those pesky point guards pressure like mad on defense so that a team only has time for a few quick passes and somebody better be shooting. I probably give Goodman way too much credit, but imho, she is fierce enough to stand up to SR and gotten him to change. Of course it helps to have a couple of young PGs who can do this under control.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 7, 2024 13:14:49 GMT -8
Judge Smails doesn’t like Rueck because Rueck ran between Judge’s legs several years ago in a pick-up game and punched Judge in the privates. Actually, what I see is a lot of what Smails has mentioned. The wbb game has changed tremendously in just a few years. Nearly every team has an in-your-face point guard who pressures constantly. If the ball isn’t pushed up the court quickly, those pesky point guards pressure like mad on defense so that a team only has time for a few quick passes and somebody better be shooting. I probably give Goodman way too much credit, but imho, she is fierce enough to stand up to SR and gotten him to change. Of course it helps to have a couple of young PGs who can do this under control. Well give Scott some credit as well. He recruited, coached and ultimately hired Aleah as an assistant. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 7, 2024 15:45:26 GMT -8
I don't see any change in SR's game planning whatsoever. I see that we have some new personnel that are better at executing certain aspects of the game, but that's all. The idea that pressuring point guards are something new to the game is just ridiculous. And the idea that Aleah is somehow being fierce and standing up to Scott . . . where is there any sign of that?
I see nothing but continuity in concept and planning. I don't see a single play being run today we didn't run before or defensive concept we haven't been using for years. We run more for the simple reason that we have a couple truly outstanding rebounders who can get the outlet out quickly to a couple point guards that are fast. We've never had both of those elements on the floor at the same time.
And it isn't like Scott even changed his recruiting. Those PGs he recruited are just the sorts he's always recruited - close to 6', defensive-minded, versatile, team-oriented. It so happens that they are also extra quick.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 7, 2024 17:49:35 GMT -8
I don't see any change in SR's game planning whatsoever. I see that we have some new personnel that are better at executing certain aspects of the game, but that's all. The idea that pressuring point guards are something new to the game is just ridiculous. And the idea that Aleah is somehow being fierce and standing up to Scott . . . where is there any sign of that? I see nothing but continuity in concept and planning. I don't see a single play being run today we didn't run before or defensive concept we haven't been using for years. We run more for the simple reason that we have a couple truly outstanding rebounders who can get the outlet out quickly to a couple point guards that are fast. We've never had both of those elements on the floor at the same time. And it isn't like Scott even changed his recruiting. Those PGs he recruited are just the sorts he's always recruited - close to 6', defensive-minded, versatile, team-oriented. It so happens that they are also extra quick. Rueck changes his offense regularly based on who is playing for the Beavs and who their opponent is. For that matter he also changes his defense for the same reason plus who may be in foul trouble. Aleah as a player called a majority of the offensive plays. If you doubt it listen to some of the interviews Rueck gave at the time. One of my favorite answers Rueck gave to a reporter when asked about his not calling the plays was that she just changed them anyway. He also commented that she also has a better feel for the game since her perspective is being on the court. He has no issues with her calling the plays since "she was a coach on the court". If he didn't like it he would certainly put her on the bench, it's not like she was the only option for a point guard. Let's not forget that Destiny was on the team at the time. Not to mention that he hired her because of the way she sees the game and it's difference from his. I have no proof but I'd be willing to bet that she is the primary coach for the point guards, it certainly looks like it during the games. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 7, 2024 18:19:12 GMT -8
Judge Smails doesn’t like Rueck because Rueck ran between Judge’s legs several years ago in a pick-up game and punched Judge in the privates. Actually, what I see is a lot of what Smails has mentioned. I haven't seen such a pathetic attempt of humor since I was in second grade. It must be your feeble desire to earn his attention. |
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Post by jones on Feb 7, 2024 18:34:00 GMT -8
Judge Smails doesn’t like Rueck because Rueck ran between Judge’s legs several years ago in a pick-up game and punched Judge in the privates. Actually, what I see is a lot of what Smails has mentioned. The wbb game has changed tremendously in just a few years. Nearly every team has an in-your-face point guard who pressures constantly. If the ball isn’t pushed up the court quickly, those pesky point guards pressure like mad on defense so that a team only has time for a few quick passes and somebody better be shooting. I probably give Goodman way too much credit, but imho, she is fierce enough to stand up to SR and gotten him to change. Of course it helps to have a couple of young PGs who can do this under control. The first part describes how a honey badger often fights bigger animals, much to the shock and chagrin of the bigger animal. |
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