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Post by seastape on Jan 27, 2024 7:52:12 GMT -8
I'm not at all sold that NIL has made fielding a good basketball team so impossible. A team needs eight or nine players that are legitimate D1 and amongst those three to four that play it well. Nothing like the 50-60 or so that is needed for football.
I don't think OSU's long-time suffering has been because it has faced an impossible task, even in the age of NIL. I think it's because we haven't found the right fit and have made poor hires. None of the head coaches that OSU hired since Miller have had sustained success at any D1 program. My guess is that it is most likely because the AD's have not known basketball well enough to make the right choice. I have my doubts about Barnes in that department, but I think we'll find out about that in the next year or two.
However, I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that.
We need to find the right coach. We need to find a coach that can build a good culture for Oregon State. Like Mike Riley in football, we need a great evaluator of talent, someone who can find diamonds in the rough and who can squeeze every ounce of talent out of his players.
Tinkle ain't that coach. He's been the best since Miller, but he is ridiculously overpaid OSU can't afford that at this time. We need to ride him out as long as we can under his current contract and then let him go. Then, we need to hope and pray that Barnes is up to the task of finding the right guy.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 27, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -8
I'm not at all sold that NIL has made fielding a good basketball team so impossible. A team needs eight or nine players that are legitimate D1 and amongst those three to four that play it well. Nothing like the 50-60 or so that is needed for football. I don't think OSU's long-time suffering has been because it has faced an impossible task, even in the age of NIL. I think it's because we haven't found the right fit and have made poor hires. None of the head coaches that OSU hired since Miller have had sustained success at any D1 program. My guess is that it is most likely because the AD's have not known basketball well enough to make the right choice. I have my doubts about Barnes in that department, but I think we'll find out about that in the next year or two. However, I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. We need to find the right coach. We need to find a coach that can build a good culture for Oregon State. Like Mike Riley in football, we need a great evaluator of talent, someone who can find diamonds in the rough and who can squeeze every ounce of talent out of his players. Tinkle ain't that coach. He's been the best since Miller, but he is ridiculously overpaid OSU can't afford that at this time. We need to ride him out as long as we can under his current contract and then let him go. Then, we need to hope and pray that Barnes is up to the task of finding the right guy. Not going to argue about Tinkle at OSU, but he did have sustained success at Montana before coming here. As far as being "ridiculously overpaid," he's being paid a pretty standard wage for a Pac-12 coach, about middle of the Pac. Some earned less, but did not have either Tinkle's seniority or an Elite-8 appearance. I'd expect whoever our coach is would be paid in line with his peer group. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 27, 2024 13:28:10 GMT -8
I'm not at all sold that NIL has made fielding a good basketball team so impossible. A team needs eight or nine players that are legitimate D1 and amongst those three to four that play it well. Nothing like the 50-60 or so that is needed for football. I don't think OSU's long-time suffering has been because it has faced an impossible task, even in the age of NIL. I think it's because we haven't found the right fit and have made poor hires. None of the head coaches that OSU hired since Miller have had sustained success at any D1 program. My guess is that it is most likely because the AD's have not known basketball well enough to make the right choice. I have my doubts about Barnes in that department, but I think we'll find out about that in the next year or two. However, I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. We need to find the right coach. We need to find a coach that can build a good culture for Oregon State. Like Mike Riley in football, we need a great evaluator of talent, someone who can find diamonds in the rough and who can squeeze every ounce of talent out of his players. Tinkle ain't that coach. He's been the best since Miller, but he is ridiculously overpaid OSU can't afford that at this time. We need to ride him out as long as we can under his current contract and then let him go. Then, we need to hope and pray that Barnes is up to the task of finding the right guy. " I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. You said that last time, and yet, here we are!! If it's so easy to get headliners to come to Corvegas, where are they? Asking for a friend. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 27, 2024 14:17:39 GMT -8
I'm not at all sold that NIL has made fielding a good basketball team so impossible. A team needs eight or nine players that are legitimate D1 and amongst those three to four that play it well. Nothing like the 50-60 or so that is needed for football. I don't think OSU's long-time suffering has been because it has faced an impossible task, even in the age of NIL. I think it's because we haven't found the right fit and have made poor hires. None of the head coaches that OSU hired since Miller have had sustained success at any D1 program. My guess is that it is most likely because the AD's have not known basketball well enough to make the right choice. I have my doubts about Barnes in that department, but I think we'll find out about that in the next year or two. However, I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. We need to find the right coach. We need to find a coach that can build a good culture for Oregon State. Like Mike Riley in football, we need a great evaluator of talent, someone who can find diamonds in the rough and who can squeeze every ounce of talent out of his players. Tinkle ain't that coach. He's been the best since Miller, but he is ridiculously overpaid OSU can't afford that at this time. We need to ride him out as long as we can under his current contract and then let him go. Then, we need to hope and pray that Barnes is up to the task of finding the right guy. " I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. You said that last time, and yet, here we are!! If it's so easy to get headliners to come to Corvegas, where are they? Asking for a friend. As far as football goes - Parker Stadium, all the locker rooms, the practice fields (outdoor field plus a new indoor facility), the weight room, the training rooms, meeting rooms, etc, have been essentially replaced completely from the ground up over the last 30 years.... that's a lot of investment. Can basketball say the same? There's new scoreboards and a nifty video setup, and a new practice gym and weight room facility, I think (I'm not exactly sure what is in the building next to Gill. Shared with other sports?). We've got fans who want to pony up millions to get rid of a coach but not spend on NIL "until he's gone". Seems short sighted to me. Any seriously sought after coach would take 1 look and see the program's lack of support, and likely more heavily consider a well maintained program the fans are actually currently investing in rather than promising investment will come after they are hired. I'd think you show willingness to invest in a program, then remove the head of it if things don't improve satisfactorily. At least prospective coaches would think things are happening there and the school is obviously investing the program. If this were real estate, it'd be like an old falling apart home in a nice neighborhood - the only buyers it'd really appeal to is someone who can't get into something nicer on their own, a person with a serious affinity for fixer uppers, or a flipper that's looking to get in and out fast without really thoroughly fixing/replacing the broken foundation or slowly rotting frame. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 1, 2024 11:59:18 GMT -8
Article about coaches on hot seat. Not a shock Tinkle is included. I think the writer’s replacement picks are pretty unimaginative. A guy on the Illinois board I visit who is pretty well connected has mentioned Oats to Michigan and Wes Miller to Louisville as real possibilities though. sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/ |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 1, 2024 12:54:16 GMT -8
Article about coaches on hot seat. Not a shock Tinkle is included. I think the writer’s replacement picks are pretty unimaginative. A guy on the Illinois board I visit who is pretty well connected has mentioned Oats to Michigan and Wes Miller to Louisville as real possibilities though. sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/Funny how many pieces of the little "biographies" apply to Wayne. Some of the UM/Howard writeup was eerily similar. But, even though I know WT's numbers, I did not have any idea of the national comparison... "Since the Elite Eight run in 2021, Oregon State has gone 23-58, the worst mark of any high-major program over the last two and a half years." Although I think it is actually 25-58? However most sites do not count non D1 wins as they are not part of any RPI or NET calculations. But, counting Bushnell and Linfield, 16 of those are NC wins vs NET (only 5 of 16 teams ended* with winning records): 271, 192, 324, 369, Non D1, 143, 361, 287 / *As of today for 2024... Non D1, 148, 74, 168, 336, 180, 278, 272Averages about NET 243 for D1 NC wins. In Pac12 play, of course the conference in much better than the NC schedule: 133,122, 313, 50, 69, 313 / *As of today for 2024... 98, 3, 120 (4 with winning overall records as of now)Averages about NET 136 for Pac12 wins. And only 9 total wins have come from beating a team with a winning record. But, numbers aren't the whole picture. And I'm doubting a buyout is part of the plan for Pac2 funds. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 4, 2024 10:22:24 GMT -8
The next OSU coach has to be Danny Sprinkle who is currently the coach at Montana State.
Out with the Tinkle and in with a Sprinkle.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 4, 2024 10:53:57 GMT -8
The next OSU coach has to be Danny Sprinkle who is currently the coach at Montana State. Out with the Tinkle and in with a Sprinkle. Sprinkle is an interesting coach, but he’s now coaching a Utah state team that went to the NCAA tournament in ‘19, ‘21 and ‘23 (would have gone in ‘20 had it been held) and looks to be going again this year. He’s getting close to a million a year already to coach what is essentially a perennial tournament team… might consider OSU a step down, certainly a project. |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 4, 2024 13:23:14 GMT -8
The next OSU coach has to be Danny Sprinkle who is currently the coach at Montana State. Out with the Tinkle and in with a Sprinkle. and a Sprinkle is stronger than a tinkle |
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Post by irimi on Feb 4, 2024 15:41:58 GMT -8
I'm not at all sold that NIL has made fielding a good basketball team so impossible. A team needs eight or nine players that are legitimate D1 and amongst those three to four that play it well. Nothing like the 50-60 or so that is needed for football. I don't think OSU's long-time suffering has been because it has faced an impossible task, even in the age of NIL. I think it's because we haven't found the right fit and have made poor hires. None of the head coaches that OSU hired since Miller have had sustained success at any D1 program. My guess is that it is most likely because the AD's have not known basketball well enough to make the right choice. I have my doubts about Barnes in that department, but I think we'll find out about that in the next year or two. However, I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. We need to find the right coach. We need to find a coach that can build a good culture for Oregon State. Like Mike Riley in football, we need a great evaluator of talent, someone who can find diamonds in the rough and who can squeeze every ounce of talent out of his players. Tinkle ain't that coach. He's been the best since Miller, but he is ridiculously overpaid OSU can't afford that at this time. We need to ride him out as long as we can under his current contract and then let him go. Then, we need to hope and pray that Barnes is up to the task of finding the right guy. " I am absolutely convinced that if a coach can be found to turn around a football program that had 28 losing seasons in a row and crappy facilities, then surely a coach can be found to turn around a basketball program that doesn't have as bad of a track record as that. You said that last time, and yet, here we are!! If it's so easy to get headliners to come to Corvegas, where are they? Asking for a friend. But Riley wasn’t a “headliner.” He was a great mediocre coach that could take the leftovers and make them shine. He loved the school and Corvallis and it showed. |
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Post by irimi on Feb 4, 2024 15:49:47 GMT -8
The next OSU coach has to be Danny Sprinkle who is currently the coach at Montana State. Out with the Tinkle and in with a Sprinkle. and a Sprinkle is stronger than a tinkle We could hire Dan Monson from Long Beach and pay him to add an extra ‘o’ to his name. |
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Post by babeav on Feb 4, 2024 16:51:14 GMT -8
Hire whomever…..last nights lack of effort was humiliating.
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 7, 2024 8:09:43 GMT -8
While none of the following will impact a Tinkle replacement directly, never know about indirectly as the musical chairs of coaching changes trickles down. Anyone out west hearing any whispers or rumblings about Few hanging it up at Gonzaga or Altman’s seat being very warm at Oregon?
Those are a couple things a guy on Illini board I visit who seems very connected in the college basketball world is hearing. Others are ASU, Washington and Stanford jobs very likely to open up. Howard’s seat is very hot at Michigan as is Holtmann’s at Ohio St. Woodson will “retire” at Indiana. Louisville will target Chris Beard and Musselman, though he thinks they may well whiff on their top choices and end up with someone like Wes Miller from Cincinnati. Musselman may want to get back out west. And DePaul is waiting to see what happens to Howard at UM with Scherz (Indiana St) and Hurley if let go by ASU as backup plans. Also that the good Hurley wouldn’t be adverse to heading to NBA if right job presents itself.
I’m hoping the Few rumors are true and he’s making decision now so Gonzaga can get a guy in place while he waits for the Beavers’ job to open up. 😂
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 7, 2024 16:56:19 GMT -8
I doubt if Altman's seat is warm. They have not made the dance the past few years, but this is his 14th season at Oregon, and he has had a winning record every year with at least 20 plus wins a season. Imo Oregon is not historically a good enough program to fire a coach who has had that much success. Both Few and Altman are in their 60s, the clock on retirement is ticking...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 7, 2024 17:19:46 GMT -8
A fun fact:
Since Tinkle was hired, Pac-12 Championships by team:
Arizona 5 (2015, 2017, 2018, 2022, and 2023)
Oregon 2 (2016 and 2019)
Oregon State 1 (2021)
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