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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2024 15:20:23 GMT -8
All this talk about other coaches and their salaries tells me one thing. Tinkle has been and is overpaid. Tinkle was underpaid prior to 2021. We seem to have overcorrected, though. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2024 15:58:45 GMT -8
Wilky — Until we know what if Tinkle is out after this year and what Barnes is willing to pay his replacement, it’s all speculation and you may be right. I have my doubts if OSU came in at $1.4M or higher if USU would match. They lost Smith after 3 years and Odom after 2 years. I believe Sprinkle is getting paid about $100k more than Odom was. And he only gets a $25k raise each year, which is relatively low. For USUto jump him up another $500k annual would seem to be a lot. Like I said, you may be right about Sprinkle. But I have no doubt there will be a number of qualified, successful coaches that would want the job. Now whether Barnes picks right one is another matter. Always the $64,000 question. There are always better options. It is just a matter of whether Barnes will identify and hire them. I have been happy with what Barnes has done so far in other sports, but he has an awful track record in basketball. I have my doubts. So wait, haven’t you been firmly planted in the “no one good would take this job” camp? But now “there are always better options”? You, me or anyone else having doubts on whether Barnes gets it right really doesn’t matter. I mean I guess we can give Tinkle a contract that guarantees him the HC job as long as Barnes is AD so the latter never makes a basketball hire. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Not sure what Barnes’ track record is hiring BB coaches except for the Pitt hire about 8 years ago nor do I care really. Good or bad, he’s the AD. Tinkle ain’t working. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2024 16:28:44 GMT -8
So is Barnes likely to poach a head coach in the "same conference"? We have a relationship with the WAC in football and apparently an agreement in principle to explore absorbing them in all sports to rebuild the Pac-12. Would offending a potential conference partner be his first choice? That’s actually one of the first things I thought of when I realized Utah St was in MWC But while I’d love the Sprinkle hire, the reason things have concentrated there are because of the list I posted and there was also an article linked earlier that mentioned Sprinkle to OSU. But those are just guesses. To me the important thing wasn’t the name but that the guy who made the list I posted said he’s hearing that Tinkle is likely going to be gone. Sprinkle might not be the guy, but that there is going to/might be a guy is the important part. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2024 16:53:32 GMT -8
Always the $64,000 question. There are always better options. It is just a matter of whether Barnes will identify and hire them. I have been happy with what Barnes has done so far in other sports, but he has an awful track record in basketball. I have my doubts. So wait, haven’t you been firmly planted in the “no one good would take this job” camp? But now “there are always better options”? You, me or anyone else having doubts on whether Barnes gets it right really doesn’t matter. I mean I guess we can give Tinkle a contract that guarantees him the HC job as long as Barnes is AD so the latter never makes a basketball hire. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Not sure what Barnes’ track record is hiring BB coaches except for the Pitt hire about 8 years ago nor do I care really. Good or bad, he’s the AD. Tinkle ain’t working. There are always better options, and no one good would take this job. Yes. Those are not contradictory statements, despite your attempt to make them so. You then completely discount my point, saying that it "doesn't matter." I would posit that, of course it matters. Otherwise, I would not have wrote it. I personally disagree with your final sentence. Tinkle is trying to build something after the completely soul-crushing 2021-22 season. I am seeing improvement. It may not be enough or fast enough for anyone else, but I am a Sagittarius cusp, and I have all of the time in the world. My point is that, whether you believe that Tinkle is working or not, I have limited to absolutely zero faith that Barnes is going to identify and hire anyone better given Oregon State's current financial situation and the issue of transitioning from the Pac-12 to the West Coast Conference. Barnes is at the helm, Oregon State has no money, and in 4-5 months time will be changing all of the Pac-12 information to West Coast Conference information. Given the tremendous amount of uncertainty and complete lack of resources to improve the situation, I am going to be patient with Tinkle, because any coach that Barnes would hire would almost undoubtedly be worse. Disagree if you would like. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2024 17:45:36 GMT -8
So wait, haven’t you been firmly planted in the “no one good would take this job” camp? But now “there are always better options”? You, me or anyone else having doubts on whether Barnes gets it right really doesn’t matter. I mean I guess we can give Tinkle a contract that guarantees him the HC job as long as Barnes is AD so the latter never makes a basketball hire. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Not sure what Barnes’ track record is hiring BB coaches except for the Pitt hire about 8 years ago nor do I care really. Good or bad, he’s the AD. Tinkle ain’t working. There are always better options, and no one good would take this job. Yes. Those are not contradictory statements, despite your attempt to make them so. You then completely discount my point, saying that it "doesn't matter." I would posit that, of course it matters. Otherwise, I would not have wrote it. I personally disagree with your final sentence. Tinkle is trying to build something after the completely soul-crushing 2021-22 season. I am seeing improvement. It may not be enough or fast enough for anyone else, but I am a Sagittarius cusp, and I have all of the time in the world. My point is that, whether you believe that Tinkle is working or not, I have limited to absolutely zero faith that Barnes is going to identify and hire anyone better given Oregon State's current financial situation and the issue of transitioning from the Pac-12 to the West Coast Conference. Barnes is at the helm, Oregon State has no money, and in 4-5 months time will be changing all of the Pac-12 information to West Coast Conference information. Given the tremendous amount of uncertainty and complete lack of resources to improve the situation, I am going to be patient with Tinkle, because any coach that Barnes would hire would almost undoubtedly be worse. Disagree if you would like. Worst 3-year stretch by a head coach in the history of Oregon State’s men’s basketball program versus an AD who made a bad hire 8 years ago at a different school and who you say has made good hires at OSU? Hmmm that’s not even close for me. And that terrible hire at Pitt had an overall record of 24-41 (.369) and in conference 4-32 (.111). How does that compare to Tinkle’s record in previous 2 years — 14-49 (.222) and in conference 6-34 (.150)? But hey, WT has the conference winning percentage up to .235 this year. Oh and Tinkle was in charge for the soul crushing season from which we are rebuilding. He didn’t inherit this mess he created it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2024 19:10:31 GMT -8
There are always better options, and no one good would take this job. Yes. Those are not contradictory statements, despite your attempt to make them so. You then completely discount my point, saying that it "doesn't matter." I would posit that, of course it matters. Otherwise, I would not have wrote it. I personally disagree with your final sentence. Tinkle is trying to build something after the completely soul-crushing 2021-22 season. I am seeing improvement. It may not be enough or fast enough for anyone else, but I am a Sagittarius cusp, and I have all of the time in the world. My point is that, whether you believe that Tinkle is working or not, I have limited to absolutely zero faith that Barnes is going to identify and hire anyone better given Oregon State's current financial situation and the issue of transitioning from the Pac-12 to the West Coast Conference. Barnes is at the helm, Oregon State has no money, and in 4-5 months time will be changing all of the Pac-12 information to West Coast Conference information. Given the tremendous amount of uncertainty and complete lack of resources to improve the situation, I am going to be patient with Tinkle, because any coach that Barnes would hire would almost undoubtedly be worse. Disagree if you would like. Worst 3-year stretch by a head coach in the history of Oregon State’s men’s basketball program versus an AD who made a bad hire 8 years ago at a different school and who you say has made good hires at OSU? Hmmm that’s not even close for me. And that terrible hire at Pitt had an overall record of 24-41 (.369) and in conference 4-32 (.111). How does that compare to Tinkle’s record in previous 2 years — 14-49 (.222) and in conference 6-34 (.150)? But hey, WT has the conference winning percentage up to .235 this year. Oh and Tinkle was in charge for the soul crushing season from which we are rebuilding. He didn’t inherit this mess he created it. A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear. Unlike the blind men in the parable, you are not blind and can perceive the entire picture but choose not to. I will focus on a different aspect of the elephant. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2024 19:40:20 GMT -8
Worst 3-year stretch by a head coach in the history of Oregon State’s men’s basketball program versus an AD who made a bad hire 8 years ago at a different school and who you say has made good hires at OSU? Hmmm that’s not even close for me. And that terrible hire at Pitt had an overall record of 24-41 (.369) and in conference 4-32 (.111). How does that compare to Tinkle’s record in previous 2 years — 14-49 (.222) and in conference 6-34 (.150)? But hey, WT has the conference winning percentage up to .235 this year. Oh and Tinkle was in charge for the soul crushing season from which we are rebuilding. He didn’t inherit this mess he created it. A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear. Unlike the blind men in the parable, you are not blind and can perceive the entire picture but choose not to. I will focus on a different aspect of the elephant. So what part of the elephant are you groping? Please don’t tell us what it feels like. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 27, 2024 11:36:33 GMT -8
For people hopping Sprinkle is the next OSU coach, it is likely he will be off the market by the time the job comes open. Hopkins is going to be out at UW after the season and there is speculation that Sprinkle will be at the top of their wish list.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 27, 2024 11:45:06 GMT -8
A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear. Unlike the blind men in the parable, you are not blind and can perceive the entire picture but choose not to. I will focus on a different aspect of the elephant. So what part of the elephant are you groping? Please don’t tell us what it feels like.  |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 1, 2024 23:49:18 GMT -8
So, WTs contract runs through 26-27, 3 more seasons. When does it become financially feasible to let him go, after next season, after the 25 - 26 season, or do they let him finish his contract? It should depend on how the program is trending. Or maybe Barnes already has an idea on the timeline. The WCC is a step down from the Pac-12 so maybe he can bring the program to mediocrity (.500 or more in conference) and finish his contract. Just curious what people think...
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 2, 2024 17:31:09 GMT -8
So, WTs contract runs through 26-27, 3 more seasons. When does it become financially feasible to let him go, after next season, after the 25 - 26 season, or do they let him finish his contract? It should depend on how the program is trending. Or maybe Barnes already has an idea on the timeline. The WCC is a step down from the Pac-12 so maybe he can bring the program to mediocrity (.500 or more in conference) and finish his contract. Just curious what people think... It should depend on how the program is trending. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha! |
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Post by irimi on Mar 2, 2024 18:28:49 GMT -8
So, WTs contract runs through 26-27, 3 more seasons. When does it become financially feasible to let him go, after next season, after the 25 - 26 season, or do they let him finish his contract? It should depend on how the program is trending. Or maybe Barnes already has an idea on the timeline. The WCC is a step down from the Pac-12 so maybe he can bring the program to mediocrity (.500 or more in conference) and finish his contract. Just curious what people think... I think a lot like Anderpants, we need a change just to change the culture and to build a decent reputation. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 2, 2024 19:15:53 GMT -8
So, WTs contract runs through 26-27, 3 more seasons. When does it become financially feasible to let him go, after next season, after the 25 - 26 season, or do they let him finish his contract? It should depend on how the program is trending. Or maybe Barnes already has an idea on the timeline. The WCC is a step down from the Pac-12 so maybe he can bring the program to mediocrity (.500 or more in conference) and finish his contract. Just curious what people think... I think a lot like Anderpants, we need a change just to change the culture and to build a decent reputation. After three years, though, it was clear that GAG had lost the team and surrounded himself with morons, after Brennan and Sitake left, because they were obviously dealing with a drunken boob. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 2, 2024 20:16:13 GMT -8
I think a lot like Anderpants, we need a change just to change the culture and to build a decent reputation. After three years, though, it was clear that GAG had lost the team and surrounded himself with morons, after Brennan and Sitake left, because they were obviously dealing with a drunken boob. Yes. It isn't fair to Tinkle to compare him to Anderpants, except CGA's contract was unfortunately extended with the dramatic Civil War victory like Tinkle's was. Tinkle isn't that bad. Anderpants will forever be one of the worst coaches at OSU while Tinkle has earned a few honors. But he has stalled and we need fresh blood. And we don't know how this season will end up. We still have a few games and the tournament. |
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Post by caladin on Mar 3, 2024 19:17:44 GMT -8
GP has head coach is the one person who could turn things around at OSU. Think about it. GP is the equivalent of CJS, Rueck and Canham at the helm of MBB. You'd be making a mistake. Someday, I hope GP proves you both wrong. What’s the one difference between GP and the others you mentioned? Oh yeah, they all had years of coaching experience. Also, does GP have his degree? I had 1 class with him and he showed up the first day and I never saw him again. Coincidentally, he “aced” that class. |
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