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Post by irimi on Feb 20, 2024 19:42:48 GMT -8
No. 2 Purdue plays at Ohio State on Sunday. Tickets are low as $16 are still available, according to ESPN. Doesn't sound as if the fan base is too rejuvenated just yet. I wouldn’t expect to see a jump in attendance based on coach being fired. Much like we didn’t see a jump in attendance after Beavers beat a top 10 team at home. It was nice to see good crowd last night, though not sure how much Oregon fans impacted that number. By the way, it appears Buckeyes team was rejuvenated — at least for one game. Between 5 and 7 thousand more fans at the Purdue game after axing the coach. I think it matters, especially for a team like Ohio State which probably has a lot of the pieces and doesn't usually suck. The Beavs are in the opposite condition. We usually suck and we don't have all the pieces. So axing the coach probably wouldn't bring in many until they start winning. I have to say, though, that in basketball, I'm that kind of a fan. I disengage when the team falls apart, which is most of the time. But when Robinson was hired and when Tinkle was hired, I paid attention during their first years, hoping against hope. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 21, 2024 21:10:50 GMT -8
I wouldn’t expect to see a jump in attendance based on coach being fired. Much like we didn’t see a jump in attendance after Beavers beat a top 10 team at home. It was nice to see good crowd last night, though not sure how much Oregon fans impacted that number. By the way, it appears Buckeyes team was rejuvenated — at least for one game. Between 5 and 7 thousand more fans at the Purdue game after axing the coach. I think it matters, especially for a team like Ohio State which probably has a lot of the pieces and doesn't usually suck. The Beavs are in the opposite condition. We usually suck and we don't have all the pieces. So axing the coach probably wouldn't bring in many until they start winning. I have to say, though, that in basketball, I'm that kind of a fan. I disengage when the team falls apart, which is most of the time. But when Robinson was hired and when Tinkle was hired, I paid attention during their first years, hoping against hope. Your last sentence illustrates one of the benefits of bringing in a new coach. It reengages fans like you — and donors — who have disengaged. We’re all fans. A little hope goes a long way. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 23, 2024 7:51:48 GMT -8
OK, recent coaching predictions from the guy on Illinois board I’ve mentioned. As I’ve said, this guy seems well connected and often supplies info on recruiting (not just Illini recruiting) and coaching hires prior to them happening. That said, obviously he’s not always right. His predictions are based on what he is hearing. But thought people might be interested in this info, especially the one 3 from the bottom.
My predictions so far:
Ohio State: Greg McDermott
Indiana: Dusty May
Michigan: Wes Miller
Memphis: Will Wade
Vanderbilt: Chris Mack
Louisville: Lamont Paris
Washington: Mark Pope
Oklahoma State: Darrian Devries
Stanford: Joe Pasternack
Oregon State: Danny Sprinkle
Arizona State: Eric Musselman
DePaul: Bobby Hurley
When I saw the list. I asked him if he was actually hearing things about Tinkle being gone or just thought he might be given last 3 years. His reply: “I have heard Tinkle is likely going to be gone ...”
Again, feel free to take with a grain of salt. Just passing along some info/thoughts from a guy with a pretty good track record.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 23, 2024 9:39:07 GMT -8
OK, recent coaching predictions from the guy on Illinois board I’ve mentioned. As I’ve said, this guy seems well connected and often supplies info on recruiting (not just Illini recruiting) and coaching hires prior to them happening. That said, obviously he’s not always right. His predictions are based on what he is hearing. But thought people might be interested in this info, especially the one 3 from the bottom. My predictions so far: Ohio State: Greg McDermott Indiana: Dusty May Michigan: Wes Miller Memphis: Will Wade Vanderbilt: Chris Mack Louisville: Lamont Paris Washington: Mark Pope Oklahoma State: Darrian Devries Stanford: Joe Pasternack Oregon State: Danny Sprinkle Arizona State: Eric Musselman DePaul: Bobby Hurley When I saw the list. I asked him if he was actually hearing things about Tinkle being gone or just thought he might be given last 3 years. His reply: “I have heard Tinkle is likely going to be gone ...” Again, feel free to take with a grain of salt. Just passing along some info/thoughts from a guy with a pretty good track record. I’m not going to be surprised if he’s gone after this season. I’ve also started to think it’s been in the works as a strong possibility for a while and the lack of a recruiting class this year might be more of a decision as opposed to a failure to succeed in recruiting a class…. Sort of a situation where they’re seeing how it goes this season vs recruiting kids to a lame duck program - send the signal that everything’s business as usual, while quietly it might not be. A lot of the recruiting for the Elite 8 year happened after the traditional recruiting period, and it turned out fine. Whoever will be the coach, whether it be Tinkle or another, will probably be scrambling in March through June. It will be what it is, I’m still hoping to finish the season with a flourish, there’s still an opportunity for 5 or more wins this season. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 23, 2024 11:02:22 GMT -8
OK, recent coaching predictions from the guy on Illinois board I’ve mentioned. As I’ve said, this guy seems well connected and often supplies info on recruiting (not just Illini recruiting) and coaching hires prior to them happening. That said, obviously he’s not always right. His predictions are based on what he is hearing. But thought people might be interested in this info, especially the one 3 from the bottom. My predictions so far: Ohio State: Greg McDermott Indiana: Dusty May Michigan: Wes Miller Memphis: Will Wade Vanderbilt: Chris Mack Louisville: Lamont Paris Washington: Mark Pope Oklahoma State: Darrian Devries Stanford: Joe Pasternack Oregon State: Danny Sprinkle Arizona State: Eric Musselman DePaul: Bobby Hurley When I saw the list. I asked him if he was actually hearing things about Tinkle being gone or just thought he might be given last 3 years. His reply: “I have heard Tinkle is likely going to be gone ...” Again, feel free to take with a grain of salt. Just passing along some info/thoughts from a guy with a pretty good track record. I’m not going to be surprised if he’s gone after this season. I’ve also started to think it’s been in the works as a strong possibility for a while and the lack of a recruiting class this year might be more of a decision as opposed to a failure to succeed in recruiting a class…. Sort of a situation where they’re seeing how it goes this season vs recruiting kids to a lame duck program - send the signal that everything’s business as usual, while quietly it might not be. A lot of the recruiting for the Elite 8 year happened after the traditional recruiting period, and it turned out fine. Whoever will be the coach, whether it be Tinkle or another, will probably be scrambling in March through June. It will be what it is, I’m still hoping to finish the season with a flourish, there’s still an opportunity for 5 or more wins this season. OK... throwing out the fact that anything can happen in sports and "opportunity" is about as wide open as a term can get when considering winning games... where in the blue moon do you HONESTLY see "...5 or more wins this season."? 1-40 the last 41 games away from Gill: @ Stanford... still "opportunity" for Top 6 finish... win out Top 4? @ Oregon... fighting to stay in the Top 4... 3-2 finish probably assures it In Gill vs teams we were dismantled by: vs Utah... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 vs Colorado... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 Pac12 Tourney vs "most likely" the #5 seed... Oregon, UCLA, Colorado, Utah, Cal vs Colorado Honest assessment... how many wins to finish? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 23, 2024 11:10:16 GMT -8
I’m not going to be surprised if he’s gone after this season. I’ve also started to think it’s been in the works as a strong possibility for a while and the lack of a recruiting class this year might be more of a decision as opposed to a failure to succeed in recruiting a class…. Sort of a situation where they’re seeing how it goes this season vs recruiting kids to a lame duck program - send the signal that everything’s business as usual, while quietly it might not be. A lot of the recruiting for the Elite 8 year happened after the traditional recruiting period, and it turned out fine. Whoever will be the coach, whether it be Tinkle or another, will probably be scrambling in March through June. It will be what it is, I’m still hoping to finish the season with a flourish, there’s still an opportunity for 5 or more wins this season. OK... throwing out the fact that anything can happen in sports and "opportunity" is about as wide open as a term can get when considering winning games... where in the blue moon do you HONESTLY see "...5 or more wins this season."? 1-40 the last 41 games away from Gill: @ Stanford... still "opportunity" for Top 6 finish... win out Top 4? @ Oregon... fighting to stay in the Top 4... 3-2 finish probably assures it In Gill vs teams we were dismantled by: vs Utah... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 vs Colorado... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 Pac12 Tourney vs "most likely" the #5 seed... Oregon, UCLA, Colorado, Utah, Cal vs Colorado Honest assessment... how many wins to finish? I think he just meant 5 games left, so always a chance. Don’t think he was predicting 5 wins. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 23, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -8
OK... throwing out the fact that anything can happen in sports and "opportunity" is about as wide open as a term can get when considering winning games... where in the blue moon do you HONESTLY see "...5 or more wins this season."? 1-40 the last 41 games away from Gill: @ Stanford... still "opportunity" for Top 6 finish... win out Top 4? @ Oregon... fighting to stay in the Top 4... 3-2 finish probably assures it In Gill vs teams we were dismantled by: vs Utah... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 vs Colorado... with a 4-1 finish a outside opportunity to get into the Top 4... but at least #5,6 seed vs #11/12 Pac12 Tourney vs "most likely" the #5 seed... Oregon, UCLA, Colorado, Utah, Cal vs Colorado Honest assessment... how many wins to finish? I think he just meant 5 games left, so always a chance. Don’t think he was predicting 5 wins. Oh... I know. I was just curious after saying "opportunity" what his real assessment would be. I do not bet, but one of the Gill games IF we shoot Arizona-like" is the only game I'd place $ on. And, not much at that. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 23, 2024 12:13:25 GMT -8
OK, recent coaching predictions from the guy on Illinois board I’ve mentioned. As I’ve said, this guy seems well connected and often supplies info on recruiting (not just Illini recruiting) and coaching hires prior to them happening. That said, obviously he’s not always right. His predictions are based on what he is hearing. But thought people might be interested in this info, especially the one 3 from the bottom. My predictions so far: Ohio State: Greg McDermott Indiana: Dusty May Michigan: Wes Miller Memphis: Will Wade Vanderbilt: Chris Mack Louisville: Lamont Paris Washington: Mark Pope Oklahoma State: Darrian Devries Stanford: Joe Pasternack Oregon State: Danny Sprinkle Arizona State: Eric Musselman DePaul: Bobby Hurley When I saw the list. I asked him if he was actually hearing things about Tinkle being gone or just thought he might be given last 3 years. His reply: “I have heard Tinkle is likely going to be gone ...” Again, feel free to take with a grain of salt. Just passing along some info/thoughts from a guy with a pretty good track record. From Tinkle to Sprinkle. My prayers are being answered! |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 23, 2024 12:18:38 GMT -8
Seeing Danny Sprinkle listed as possible placement for WT if he is let go, made me take a look at him and Utah St. First thing that jumps out is he was born in Pullman, WA, so if Kyle Smith moves on Sprinkle might like that job better.
He is 47 and this is his fifth year as head coach HC and first year at Utah Stats — moving there from Montana St. His record according to Wiki is 100-47. His overall conference winning percentage is higher than that as is his record at Utah St. He took Montana St to 2 NCAA Tournaments. They were blown out by Texas Tech and then lost by 12 to Kansas St last year — both in first round.
This year Utah St is leading Mountain West with 10-4 record and 22-5 overall. Away record is 6-4. No big noncon wins, but have beat 2 ranked teams (CSU and SDSU). Aggies are 39 in KenPom with both offense and in mid-40s.
Utah St’s star is Great Osobor. He is only a junior and did follow Sprinkle to USU. Not seen him play but nice stats (17.8, 9.1, 3.0), so might have better offers but maybe a candidate to be a future Beaver. Another transfer possibility might be 6-3 guard Mason Falslev. He’s a freshman averaging 11.3 ppg and shooting 55.6% overall. He’s from Utah though, so might want to stay put.
24/7 lists USU with 2 recruits currently, both unranked. Terrance Hill, Jr is from Portland (Roosevelt) and listed as 6-3 PG. Shows him with offer from OSU. Kase Wynott is the second recruit, listed as 6-6 PG.
Considering what he may face here if he comes, I found this quote from an article important. “A program-wide exodus left Sprinkle without a single returning player who scored a point for the Aggies during the previous season.” Makes USU’s record even more impressive.
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Post by messi on Feb 23, 2024 12:39:01 GMT -8
| Danny Sprinkle (HC) | Rebounds/G | Opp. Rebounds/G | Turnovers/G | A/TO Ratio | | 19-20 Montana State | 34.7 | 33.4 | 14.0 | 0.8 | | 20-21 Montana State | 33.8 | 32.9 | 12.6 | 0.9 | | 21-22 Montana State | 35.1 | 31.0 | 12.9 | 1.0 | | 22-23 Montana State | 33.0 | 30.7 | 11.9 | 1.1 | | 23-24 Utah State | 36.6 | 32.3 | 11.3 | 1.5 |
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| | 23-24 Oregon State | 32.9 | 34.8 | 12.6 | 0.9 |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 24, 2024 0:54:13 GMT -8
My initial reaction to Sprinkle is he would be a good hire. My next thought is why leave Utah State after a year? Not a good look. And in this climate OSU is a step down - if we are looking at this with the orange tinted glasses, it's lateral. And then, I don't think he would come here for peanuts. Will we be able to offer 5 years for $15M? My guess is not.
Edit - somewhat interesting is that the last two Montana State teams scored a huge percentage of their points at the free throw line with very few from 3. This Utah State team is the same from 3 but trading the free throws for 2 pointers.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 24, 2024 8:22:39 GMT -8
Seeing Danny Sprinkle listed as possible placement for WT if he is let go, made me take a look at him and Utah St. First thing that jumps out is he was born in Pullman, WA, so if Kyle Smith moves on Sprinkle might like that job better. He is 47 and this is his fifth year as head coach HC and first year at Utah Stats — moving there from Montana St. His record according to Wiki is 100-47. His overall conference winning percentage is higher than that as is his record at Utah St. He took Montana St to 2 NCAA Tournaments. They were blown out by Texas Tech and then lost by 12 to Kansas St last year — both in first round. This year Utah St is leading Mountain West with 10-4 record and 22-5 overall. Away record is 6-4. No big noncon wins, but have beat 2 ranked teams (CSU and SDSU). Aggies are 39 in KenPom with both offense and in mid-40s. Utah St’s star is Great Osobor. He is only a junior and did follow Sprinkle to USU. Not seen him play but nice stats (17.8, 9.1, 3.0), so might have better offers but maybe a candidate to be a future Beaver. Another transfer possibility might be 6-3 guard Mason Falslev. He’s a freshman averaging 11.3 ppg and shooting 55.6% overall. He’s from Utah though, so might want to stay put. 24/7 lists USU with 2 recruits currently, both unranked. Terrance Hill, Jr is from Portland (Roosevelt) and listed as 6-3 PG. Shows him with offer from OSU. Kase Wynott is the second recruit, listed as 6-6 PG. Considering what he may face here if he comes, I found this quote from an article important. “A program-wide exodus left Sprinkle without a single returning player who scored a point for the Aggies during the previous season.” Makes USU’s record even more impressive. Just my opinion of course, but if I were a player: Winning in Logan > Losing in Corvallis. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 24, 2024 8:53:41 GMT -8
My initial reaction to Sprinkle is he would be a good hire. My next thought is why leave Utah State after a year? Not a good look. And in this climate OSU is a step down - if we are looking at this with the orange tinted glasses, it's lateral. And then, I don't think he would come here for peanuts. Will we be able to offer 5 years for $15M? My guess is not. Edit - somewhat interesting is that the last two Montana State teams scored a huge percentage of their points at the free throw line with very few from 3. This Utah State team is the same from 3 but trading the free throws for 2 pointers. Not sure how you’re coming up $3M a year needed to get him here. We know OSU won’t pay that much but not will it take that much. Sprinkle will make $925,000 a year next season. Not should what his predecessor Ryan Odom is making at VCU, but guessing around $1.8M per based on the salary of the guy he replaced. Craig Smith, who was USU’s coach before Odom is making about $2M at Utah and he’s been there a few years so a few annual raises. My guess is that $1.8M per to $2M salary is what we’re talking. Can Beavers afford that? I don’t know. Barnes said he planned to continue running athletics as if a P5 school. Based on Bray’s salary not sure if that is the case. More like an upper end mid major/low end P5 program. How much they end up paying for a WT replacement will give us a better idea exactly where OSU is in the college sports environment. Still with that, the job is not a step down from USU. I am probably at the low end of the spectrum with very lightly orange tinted glasses on here, and it just isn’t a step down. I’d say it is better than a lateral move (call it a lateral move with upside), but that remains to be seen. And he likely doubles his salary. Not sure why leaving after one year is not a good look? Is it ideal? Maybe not, but if he’s getting a sizable salary increase it is understandable. You think colleges that routinely go after coaches a year after they get an extension care about a “not a good look”? Maybe if he does it a second time, it might set off some bells. But a coach taking a new job that increases his salary by about a $1M — doubling it — is not going to put him in a bad light. Sprinkle would be a very good hire. Will it happen? Don’t know. For one thing Tinkle isn’t gone yet. If it doesn’t, I don’t think it will be because we didn’t offer $3M or because this is a step down. It will be because he has better offers or doesn’t want to leave for salary we do offer. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 24, 2024 9:20:01 GMT -8
No one knows, obviously, what will happen with MBB and WT. But, if there is a new MBB hire the salary is not going to approach the $2 mil per year mark. That's what Bray is getting. MBB is not going to be in that realm.
But, football is saving around $5 mil in staffing costs overall (salaries, extra perks, PERS, etc) per year. Bray ($1.2 mil base/$2 mil overall) himself is about $3 mil less + extras than JS.
MBB staffing tops $5 mil with all the extras. OSU is prob all in for a new HC at about $1.1-1.5 mil, staffing to make total $2.6-$3 mil.
Revamping both programs could be near a $8+ mil per year savings. That helps a ton in a payout situation.
Given the leeway some give WT here can a new guy/staff at a huge savings do any worse than the last 3 seasons? Has any of the "worst" OSU coaches matched this 3-year run of averaging less than 10 wins per? (WT needs 5 more wins this year too equal 30 wins of Jay John's last 2.6 seasons)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 24, 2024 9:31:40 GMT -8
My initial reaction to Sprinkle is he would be a good hire. My next thought is why leave Utah State after a year? Not a good look. And in this climate OSU is a step down - if we are looking at this with the orange tinted glasses, it's lateral. And then, I don't think he would come here for peanuts. Will we be able to offer 5 years for $15M? My guess is not. Edit - somewhat interesting is that the last two Montana State teams scored a huge percentage of their points at the free throw line with very few from 3. This Utah State team is the same from 3 but trading the free throws for 2 pointers. Not sure how you’re coming up $3M a year needed to get him here. We know OSU won’t pay that much but not will it take that much. Sprinkle will make $925,000 a year next season. Not should what his predecessor Ryan Odom is making at VCU, but guessing around $1.8M per based on the salary of the guy he replaced. Craig Smith, who was USU’s coach before Odom is making about $2M at Utah and he’s been there a few years so a few annual raises. My guess is that $1.8M per to $2M salary is what we’re talking. Can Beavers afford that? I don’t know. Barnes said he planned to continue running athletics as if a P5 school. Based on Bray’s salary not sure if that is the case. More like an upper end mid major/low end P5 program. How much they end up paying for a WT replacement will give us a better idea exactly where OSU is in the college sports environment. Still with that, the job is not a step down from USU. I am probably at the low end of the spectrum with very lightly orange tinted glasses on here, and it just isn’t a step down. I’d say it is better than a lateral move (call it a lateral move with upside), but that remains to be seen. And he likely doubles his salary. Not sure why leaving after one year is not a good look? Is it ideal? Maybe not, but if he’s getting a sizable salary increase it is understandable. You think colleges that routinely go after coaches a year after they get an extension care about a “not a good look”? Maybe if he does it a second time, it might set off some bells. But a coach taking a new job that increases his salary by about a $1M — doubling it — is not going to put him in a bad light. Sprinkle would be a very good hire. Will it happen? Don’t know. For one thing Tinkle isn’t gone yet. If it doesn’t, I don’t think it will be because we didn’t offer $3M or because this is a step down. It will be because he has better offers or doesn’t want to leave for salary we do offer. Until Oregon State's conference situation is permanently settled, Oregon State is not a step up from anywhere, unless someone is leaving for something like a three-year contract at Oregon State. I am not sure that we can promise "step up" money beyond that. |
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