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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 21, 2024 13:37:00 GMT -8
That was the correct call on Beers. However, if the idea of that type of flagrant foul rule is the safety of the defender (which it obviously is), then they need to emphasize calls made against the defenders who body up on an offensive player who is posting up. A defensive player is allowed to put their forearm or an open hand with a bent elbow on the offensive player. Not body up and make contact. If the offensive player has space to turn then elbows usually won't make contact with the defender (unless intended to). Also, there was what seemed to be a pretty obvious flop by Cal during the game. Nothing was called either way but by rule that player should have received a warning. You are allowed to body up a player. Not sure why you’re stating they’re not. Many times the offensive player is initiating the contact while posting up and the defender is entitled to their space and to hold their ground.
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Post by grayman on Jan 21, 2024 14:09:48 GMT -8
That was the correct call on Beers. However, if the idea of that type of flagrant foul rule is the safety of the defender (which it obviously is), then they need to emphasize calls made against the defenders who body up on an offensive player who is posting up. A defensive player is allowed to put their forearm or an open hand with a bent elbow on the offensive player. Not body up and make contact. If the offensive player has space to turn then elbows usually won't make contact with the defender (unless intended to). Also, there was what seemed to be a pretty obvious flop by Cal during the game. Nothing was called either way but by rule that player should have received a warning. You are allowed to body up a player. Not sure why you’re stating they’re not. Many times the offensive player is initiating the contact while posting up and the defender is entitled to their space and to hold their ground. Only in specific circumstances or within certain levels. An official can allow an inadvertent bump, etc., or a little bit of leaning. That's not what I see many defenders try against Beers down low. "When there is body contact between the ball handler and defender, the official must determine whether the contact is incidental (due to both players moving legally) or illegal. When the defender's body contact, such as the defender's body bumping or leaning their torso on the dribbler, affects the rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness of the ball handler, or reroutes the ball handler from their desired path, a foul has been committed by the defender."
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 21, 2024 15:24:17 GMT -8
That was the correct call on Beers. However, if the idea of that type of flagrant foul rule is the safety of the defender (which it obviously is), then they need to emphasize calls made against the defenders who body up on an offensive player who is posting up. A defensive player is allowed to put their forearm or an open hand with a bent elbow on the offensive player. Not body up and make contact. If the offensive player has space to turn then elbows usually won't make contact with the defender (unless intended to). Also, there was what seemed to be a pretty obvious flop by Cal during the game. Nothing was called either way but by rule that player should have received a warning. You are allowed to body up a player. Not sure why you’re stating they’re not. Many times the offensive player is initiating the contact while posting up and the defender is entitled to their space and to hold their ground. He's going to argue no matter what! As we all know there are written rules and actual basketball and what allowed/called.
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Post by beaverfever148 on Jan 21, 2024 15:26:31 GMT -8
Need Beers on the floor
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Post by grayman on Jan 21, 2024 16:41:49 GMT -8
The quote I used in my last post was taken directly from the NCAA women's basketball rule book. Also, it was interesting how Iriafen played defense when Beers received the ball while posting up. She avoided contact with her body. She allowed for a little space but used her forearm on Beers (allowed within the rules) when she needed to. That's how a well coached player plays defense on Beers. Some posters choose to vomit out comments without bothering to do any research.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 21, 2024 16:46:53 GMT -8
The quote I used in my last post was taken directly from the NCAA women's basketball rule book. Also, it was interesting how Iriafen played defense when Beers received the ball while posting up. She avoided contact with her body. She allowed for a little space but used her forearm on Beers (allowed within the rules) when she needed to. That's how a well coached player plays defense on Beers. Some posters choose to vomit out comments without bothering to do any research. I refereed BB for 25+ years, but whatever. I know the rule book. And you weren’t watching very closely if you think Beers didn’t get “bodied up” in that game.
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Post by grayman on Jan 21, 2024 16:52:52 GMT -8
The quote I used in my last post was taken directly from the NCAA women's basketball rule book. Also, it was interesting how Iriafen played defense when Beers received the ball while posting up. She avoided contact with her body. She allowed for a little space but used her forearm on Beers (allowed within the rules) when she needed to. That's how a well coached player plays defense on Beers. Some posters choose to vomit out comments without bothering to do any research. I refereed BB for 25+ years, but whatever. I know the rule book. And you weren’t watching very closely if you think Beers didn’t get “bodied up” in that game. I know that she gets bodied up. And it's almost always a foul under the rules. My point from the start is that officials need to call it more if they want to minimize flagrant fouls that involve elbow contact. And I also officiated basketball. My "some posters" comment was not directed at you, BTW.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 21, 2024 17:00:30 GMT -8
I refereed BB for 25+ years, but whatever. I know the rule book. And you weren’t watching very closely if you think Beers didn’t get “bodied up” in that game. I know that she gets bodied up. And it's almost always a foul under the rules. My point from the start is that officials need to call it more if they want to minimize flagrant fouls that involve elbow contact. And I also officiated basketball. My "some posters" comment was not directed at you, BTW. The problem is that physicality is part of the game. You have to let some of it go or you would just turn the game into a free throw contest. I’m not a fan of the flagrant 1 rule. If you catch the ball on the block and turn and the defense has their chin in your space, that’s on them, in my opinion.
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