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Post by finleybandbeav on Jan 13, 2024 5:25:19 GMT -8
The depth of the Beavs definitely helped, especially when it went into OT (and then double OT). Zona had seven players with significant minutes.
Beavs had ten.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 13, 2024 7:43:05 GMT -8
Our young players were impressive tonight. Even though Dom had 5 turnovers, Dom's defense was senior-level tonight, as was Kennedie's defense. Both Dom & Kennedie played > 30 minutes. Coaches are learning they have different players for different game situations. It is a luxury OSU coaches haven't had for a long time. Getting these minutes for the young players is going to benefit OSU greatly as the season progresses. Turnovers and free throws are two areas that can be improved so we can win games in regulation!
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Post by bmoc on Jan 13, 2024 7:56:23 GMT -8
I had to leave before the end of regulation to beat the weather home. I watched the 2OT's twice when I got home. That was exciting! I think if we get a tournament bid at the end of the season we can look to this win to see where our character and "sand" came from. I also want to put a shout out to our DJ. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I noticed he was placed over by the student section and that might bring more of them in to the game. I also appreciate his ability to multi-task with style.
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Post by jefframp on Jan 13, 2024 8:17:07 GMT -8
I had to leave before the end of regulation to beat the weather home. I watched the 2OT's twice when I got home. That was exciting! I think if we get a tournament bid at the end of the season we can look to this win to see where our character and "sand" came from. I also want to put a shout out to our DJ. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I noticed he was placed over by the student section and that might bring more of them in to the game. I also appreciate his ability to multi-task with style. Might want to switch this thread to the Arizona thread. This one is about ASU. BTW, we sailed home with no problem after the game. Folks on I-5 to Salem were driving a little slower than normal but traffic was light. Probably took us an extra 5 minutes to get home. Great game too!
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Post by bmoc on Jan 13, 2024 8:22:05 GMT -8
Sorry, in my post-win delirium, I didn’t see the “State” after Arizona.
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Post by ffymdr123 on Jan 13, 2024 9:13:29 GMT -8
I have an observation not a criticism of this young, developing team.
I love the ball movement and unselfish play and trust the players have for one another on the court and trying to be facilitators/creators for teammates. This kind of ball movement hasn't been present since Aleah ran the point. It's fun to watch and creates open shots but I watch the games and I find myself saying repeatedly "shoot it you're open" and the shot is not taken. It happens sometimes 1, 2, or 3 times in a possession only to end up with a worse, hurried attempt near the end of the shot clock or results in a turnover at some point after the first open shot is not attempted.
Most college players can shoot 3's or layups, but generally the mid range game takes longer to develop to truly become a 3 level scoring threat.
In my opinion, only Talia, AJ and Timea appear comfortable taking a mid range shot consistently in a pressure game situation. Even so, Talia and AJ pass up a lot of those in early to mid shot clock in hopes of getting a better look for someone else or themselves later. Timea is pretty good at pulling the trigger when she has an opening.
Dominica, Kennedie and Kelsey don't seem comfortable pulling up when they have open mid range looks and sometimes over pass or drive in too far into a double team or turnover.
Donovon's mid range is better but still developing and is hesitant at times.
Adlee hasn't shown much mid range and really none from Lily but it doesn't really matter for these two in this system. Their roll is to parole the 3 point area.
I think a lot of turnovers result from over passing and passing up good looks earlier in the possession and getting into desperation as time is running out. What is the harm in taking an open shot in the flow of the offense that may not be your most comfortable shot? Maybe you make it, maybe you get fouled or maybe we get the offensive rebound. If you turn the ball over, none of those opportunities are available.
I haven't mentioned Raegan and I know a lot of times, the extra time taken and passes made in the possession is waiting for her to establish position and try to get the ball into her. I get that, it's always a great option.
Like I said, nothing major, just some things I was observing and thinking about. It's all part of learning and player development as time goes and I am impressed with the overall ball movement of this team but they have to cut down on the turnovers going forward and I think taking the open look shots sooner in the shot clock would help.
Go Beavs!
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 13, 2024 9:52:28 GMT -8
I have to give kudos to Beers not only for her 20/20 but for her self control. I'm not sure what the refs see or are blind to the fact that she gets hammered pretty much everytime she is anywhere near the hoop. They must think that due to her build she can take it. But if it was me out there getting that treatment I wouldn't last the game as I would retaliate and get booted. Again kudos to her.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 13, 2024 9:59:37 GMT -8
I have to give kudos to Beers not only for her 20/20 but for her self control. I'm not sure what the refs see or are blind to the fact that she gets hammered pretty much everytime she is anywhere near the hoop. They must think that due to her build she can take it. But if it was me out there getting that treatment I wouldn't last the game as I would retaliate and get booted. Again kudos to her. It's really astonishing what kind of competitor this kid is. To battle hammer and tong through double overtime, beyond exhaustion and at the end of it all (still on a bit of an adrenaline buzz, I'm sure) to be so gracious and seemingly carefree in her postgame interview with Ron Callan. Oh, to be 19 again.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 13, 2024 10:19:40 GMT -8
This was a huge game for Beers’s mental part of her game. She missed a huge clutch shot at USC, and missed a couple of clutch FTs in regulation. As the clear superstar of this team, not coming through in the clutch can really weigh heavy. But then for her to go out and carry the team in OTs, especially from the FT line will be such a huge anchor for her going forward. To me that was the biggest gain coming out of this game..
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 13, 2024 10:58:06 GMT -8
Lofty RPI: up to #16 for (13-2) Beavs. NET at #23
PAC-12 with a huge lead as #1 RPI conference
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Post by jones on Jan 13, 2024 11:12:24 GMT -8
What is the over/under on ann spitting into the mic that Arizona only has 8 players. Well, if one took a sip of whiskey every time she mentioned it, one would be drunk by half time.
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Post by jones on Jan 13, 2024 11:17:23 GMT -8
Definitely Shuler’s best game this year. One of these games against an aggressive team I'd like to see Rueck turn Kennedie loose. She is just quick enough and has no issues using her strength to bull her way through opponents. Kennedy is a gamer. She was noticeably faster and stronger than Arizona's guards. When she threw the flopper on the floor it was after the flopper was literally riding her on an inbounds play.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 13, 2024 11:39:32 GMT -8
Watched the game last night, and then again this morning. Some thoughts: Both teams expended a lot of energy, so we'll see how much energy they have left for Sunday games. I have to believe Arizona may be a little tired. Pueyo played 49 minutes.....but didn't score. I thought freshman Jada Williams had a nice game for Arizona. She was hoopgurlz #21 recruit for 2023. Shuler (unranked 2023 recruit) gave Williams everything she could handle. Their stats were pretty equal, and Kennedie played 8 less minutes. Kennedie was a great addition for the Beavs, and should have been more highly recruited. She has a nice upside. In the last 3 games, Timea has taken 19 shots, and 18 of them were from three. Maybe I don't know what I am talking about, but it seems she could really help the Beavs out with her mid-range and inside game. Defense and rebounding won this game. Yeah, the Beavs had to make some big shots to stay in/win the game, but playing strong d and keeping Arizona off the boards kept this game close when the Beavs shooting went cold. Raegan's 20pts, 20 rebs sounds like a monster game (and it was) but she didn't get to double digit scoring until the 1st OT. The Beavs needed the scoring of Kennedie, Talia, and Adlee last night. Again, this game was about defense, rebounding, and getting enough scoring outside of Raegan to keep the game close. I liked Kelsy's play in this game despite missing all 6 of her 3pt attempts. 6Rbs, 2 blocked shots, and a ton of contested shots. I thought Timea had a really strong game as well despite 5TO's. Solid shooting, 5RB's, 4 assist, 2 steals and a block. Yeah, the Beavs had too many TO's but Arizona opponents average over 20 TO's per game. Arizona is very disruptive and they cause a lot of TO's. It seemed the Beavs rarely got into their regular offense. In the end, it was a very important win!
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 13, 2024 12:01:41 GMT -8
Listened to the archived UA radio broadcast of the last 5 minutes of regulation and the 2 overtimes. Link is here if you're interested. arizonawildcats.leanplayer.com/past-eventsIronic (being kind here) how their PBP guy whines and moans nonstop about the refs being biased in favor of OSU.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 13, 2024 12:15:45 GMT -8
While I liked Kennedie's game last year I wasn't sure if she was good enough for this level. I was wrong as usual. She plays basketball like a soccer player, uses quick spurts of energy. Her leg and core strength is impressive. In basketball you always want your players to play taller than they are but with Kennedie you get a player playing shorter. Her legs and waist are always bent like a spring under tension. She is that way pretty much the entire time she is on the court even when on the key waiting for a free throw to be shot. When dribbling she is so low is hard to steal the ball from her.
Kennedie and Donovyn's improvement over last year is nothing short of amazing. Donovyn was ranked in the 80's and Kennedie was over 100. Those rankings should never equate to starting and running the point in a power conference. I'd expect then to be eaten alive in the pac 12 but they are holding their own. If you asked me about it I'd have to give credit to Aleah for bring them along so quickly.
Speaking of Aleah, listening to the game on the radio Ron commented that Rueck was talking with Aleah and getting her view of the game. This is happening almost every game. He values her input and is showing that he is starting to rely on it. I can't think of a first year assistant coach given that kind of trust. He let her call the plays as a point guard more than any other player that I've seen. Aleah was one of those players that was able to make huge improvements from year to year and Donovyn and Kennedie are showing that she can do the same for her players.
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