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Post by kersting13 on Jan 3, 2024 14:49:44 GMT -8
Lanning is hard not to like. He's a young coach and he makes mistakes. But whenever the question comes up about another school, he says in some words, "no way." That is a trait our former coach did not have. The kick in the dick for all of us is the Oregon coach showing the love and loyalty to his program the alumni hero QB of Oregon State didn't show us. It is hard to not like Lanning, given how human he is. Kind of a goober, but a good coach and appears to have his priorities established. Like Erickson lamented for a long time, the grass isn't always greener. Something tells me Smith is going to learn that one the hard way. I don't get any of this "it's hard not to like Lanning" garbage. Because he didn't bail on his current employer? The guy looks and acts like a douche. He's nearly as douchey as Harbaugh IMO. Lanning is EASY not to like. |
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Post by gnawitall on Jan 3, 2024 14:54:23 GMT -8
The kick in the dick for all of us is the Oregon coach showing the love and loyalty to his program the alumni hero QB of Oregon State didn't show us. It is hard to not like Lanning, given how human he is. Kind of a goober, but a good coach and appears to have his priorities established. Like Erickson lamented for a long time, the grass isn't always greener. Something tells me Smith is going to learn that one the hard way. I don't get any of this "it's hard not to like Lanning" garbage. Because he didn't bail on his current employer? The guy looks and acts like a douche. He's nearly as douchey as Harbaugh IMO. Lanning is EASY not to like. Being a schmuck is good enough for me. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2024 15:34:24 GMT -8
Washington is a symptom. Michigan is the disease. Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State are everything wrong with college athletics. Washington is awful, but they are not those four universities. Number of times Michigan has come to the Valley to play Oregon State? Zero. Number of times Washington came to the Valley to play Oregon State? 47. I want Washington to break Michigan, crush 'em. Destroy the Wolverines. Never rebuild; never be this close ever again. Plus, 75 years from now, I want to say that in 2023 Oregon State pushed this Washington team more than any other team pushed 'em, not Oregon, not Texas, and not Michigan. Oregon State pushed 'em to the brink, and the Huskies barely escaped. Really? I'm rooting for Michigan to win it and then immediately crumble into a third tier program that loses every year to people like Rutgers and Maryland. UW taking the lead in being incredible jerks during the Pac-12 breakdown (including nixing the Apple deal and trying to hoist all the coins they could into their filthy pants on the way out) just blew it for me. I wish I could root for the huskies as the last year of the Pac-12 but, nope, can't do it. And yes, I think in retrospect, OSU did a pretty good job against the huskies. If only everyone on or part of the team were committed to success, imagine what we could have done! Illinois and Michigan were the two universities specifically, who whipped up the other 14 universities to invite Washington and then convinced Washington to join the Big Ten. Both universities can burn in a fire. Washington's actions thereafter are lamentable. But they pale in comparison to Michigan working so hard to pave Washington's entry into the Big Ten in the first place. They both suck, but IMO Washington is the lesser of two evils. |
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Post by irimi on Jan 3, 2024 15:36:48 GMT -8
Washington is a symptom. Michigan is the disease. Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State are everything wrong with college athletics. Washington is awful, but they are not those four universities. Number of times Michigan has come to the Valley to play Oregon State? Zero. Number of times Washington came to the Valley to play Oregon State? 47. I want Washington to break Michigan, crush 'em. Destroy the Wolverines. Never rebuild; never be this close ever again. Plus, 75 years from now, I want to say that in 2023 Oregon State pushed this Washington team more than any other team pushed 'em, not Oregon, not Texas, and not Michigan. Oregon State pushed 'em to the brink, and the Huskies barely escaped. Really? I'm rooting for Michigan to win it and then immediately crumble into a third tier program that loses every year to people like Rutgers and Maryland. UW taking the lead in being incredible jerks during the Pac-12 breakdown (including nixing the Apple deal and trying to hoist all the coins they could into their filthy pants on the way out) just blew it for me. I wish I could root for the huskies as the last year of the Pac-12 but, nope, can't do it. And yes, I think in retrospect, OSU did a pretty good job against the huskies. If only everyone on or part of the team were committed to success, imagine what we could have done! So it has become a lot like our presidential elections: which of these two monsters is less evil? Instead I’m thinking small. I really like Penix and thought he deserved the Heisman. So I will root for him. It’s not his fault that the UW President is a . But every player on the Michigan team is guilty of wanting to play under Harbaugh. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 15:41:02 GMT -8
Really? I'm rooting for Michigan to win it and then immediately crumble into a third tier program that loses every year to people like Rutgers and Maryland. UW taking the lead in being incredible jerks during the Pac-12 breakdown (including nixing the Apple deal and trying to hoist all the coins they could into their filthy pants on the way out) just blew it for me. I wish I could root for the huskies as the last year of the Pac-12 but, nope, can't do it. And yes, I think in retrospect, OSU did a pretty good job against the huskies. If only everyone on or part of the team were committed to success, imagine what we could have done! So it has become a lot like our presidential elections: which of these two monsters is less evil? Instead I’m thinking small. I really like Penix and thought he deserved the Heisman. So I will root for him. It’s not his fault that the UW President is a . But every player on the Michigan team is guilty of wanting to play under Harbaugh. Michigan will probably win because the game is being played in the city of sign stealing..........fitting. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2024 15:45:18 GMT -8
Really? I'm rooting for Michigan to win it and then immediately crumble into a third tier program that loses every year to people like Rutgers and Maryland. UW taking the lead in being incredible jerks during the Pac-12 breakdown (including nixing the Apple deal and trying to hoist all the coins they could into their filthy pants on the way out) just blew it for me. I wish I could root for the huskies as the last year of the Pac-12 but, nope, can't do it. And yes, I think in retrospect, OSU did a pretty good job against the huskies. If only everyone on or part of the team were committed to success, imagine what we could have done! Instead I’m thinking small. I really like Penix and thought he deserved the Heisman. So I will root for him. It’s not his fault that the UW President is a . But every player on the Michigan team is guilty of wanting to play under Harbaugh. Lamentably, yes, that is how I am looking at politics and sports right now............Every once in awhile, I get excited about a politician or team, but it is rare. |
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Post by seastape on Jan 4, 2024 6:25:53 GMT -8
Since SC and LA joined the big 10, after there was an informal agreement not to raid each other's conferences, my hatred for specific college teams and conferences has shifted to the big 10. It is them, USC, and Fox (and I'm throwing in ESPN) that led to the demise of the Pac.
Therefore:
1) I hope UW annihilates Michigan this Monday. I want to see UW win by the same margin that UGA had over FSU. (I very much doubt this will happen.)
2) I hope UW and UO roll through the big 10 next year. Elitism in college football right now rests on Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. I would like to see all three of these teams drop.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 4, 2024 14:03:45 GMT -8
Since SC and LA joined the big 10, after there was an informal agreement not to raid each other's conferences, my hatred for specific college teams and conferences has shifted to the big 10. It is them, USC, and Fox (and I'm throwing in ESPN) that led to the demise of the Pac. Therefore: 1) I hope UW annihilates Michigan this Monday. I want to see UW win by the same margin that UGA had over FSU. (I very much doubt this will happen.) 2) I hope UW and UO roll through the big 10 next year. Elitism in college football right now rests on Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. I would like to see all three of these teams drop. Agree, but with Penn State... they are an pretender in the B10. I see them sort of like Georgia before Kirby. Always top 5 or 10 then pffft! They can't get over the UM/tOSU hump. Even MSU has got into the CFP where PSU hasn't. But, PSU has appeared in the final CFP poll more... in a quick look: MSU final CFP rankings since the start: 8th ('14), 3rd ('15), 16th ('17). 10th ('21), PSU final CFP rankings since the start: 5th ('16), 9th ('17), 12th ('18), 10th ('19), 11th ('22) 10th ('23) Iowa appeared (5) times highest being 5th in '15 NW appeared (5) times Wisky (3) times CFP teams since the start in 2015 (counting this year thru semis): * Title TCU (1) Cincinnati (1) Texas (1) Oregon (1) FSU (1) Michigan St (1) LSU (1)* ND (2) UW (2) Michigan (3) Georgia (3)** Oklahoma (4) tOSU (5)* Clemson (6)** Bama (8)*** I think PSU falls even further with USC, UCLA, UO, and UW being added. Franklin best get his resume updated. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Jan 4, 2024 16:57:54 GMT -8
I have two simple rules that were easy to follow. Rule #1, never root for the dux Rule #2, nothing changes rule #1. With the carnage our former coach left the program in over the last month, and Mich. St. scheduled to visit the landfill next fall, I am now struggling with rule #2. Where do you guys stand on this dilemma? Go Beavs!! FTd/spartans If both teams lose that game, America wins! More seriously, my intense dislike/disdain for the dux runs very deep. Go (very reluctantly) sparts. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2024 19:12:26 GMT -8
Since SC and LA joined the big 10, after there was an informal agreement not to raid each other's conferences, my hatred for specific college teams and conferences has shifted to the big 10. It is them, USC, and Fox (and I'm throwing in ESPN) that led to the demise of the Pac. Therefore: 1) I hope UW annihilates Michigan this Monday. I want to see UW win by the same margin that UGA had over FSU. (I very much doubt this will happen.) 2) I hope UW and UO roll through the big 10 next year. Elitism in college football right now rests on Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. I would like to see all three of these teams drop. CBS and NBC helped. The entirety of broadcast media was against the Pac-12, once the Pac-12 demanded $50 million/team/year. I hope that UO and UW each have one loss from their historical rivals. Then, they can roll. That would be entertaining. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 4, 2024 21:33:44 GMT -8
Lanning is hard not to like. He's a young coach and he makes mistakes. But whenever the question comes up about another school, he says in some words, "no way." That is a trait our former coach did not have. The kick in the dick for all of us is the Oregon coach showing the love and loyalty to his program the alumni hero QB of Oregon State didn't show us. It is hard to not like Lanning, given how human he is. Kind of a goober, but a good coach and appears to have his priorities established. Like Erickson lamented for a long time, the grass isn't always greener. Something tells me Smith is going to learn that one the hard way. Oregon is now one of the best jobs in college football. Endless resources. National recruiting powerhouse. It makes me puke in my mouth, but it's reality. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 10:43:53 GMT -8
Since SC and LA joined the big 10, after there was an informal agreement not to raid each other's conferences, my hatred for specific college teams and conferences has shifted to the big 10. It is them, USC, and Fox (and I'm throwing in ESPN) that led to the demise of the Pac. Therefore: 1) I hope UW annihilates Michigan this Monday. I want to see UW win by the same margin that UGA had over FSU. (I very much doubt this will happen.) 2) I hope UW and UO roll through the big 10 next year. Elitism in college football right now rests on Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. I would like to see all three of these teams drop. CBS and NBC helped. The entirety of broadcast media was against the Pac-12, once the Pac-12 demanded $50 million/team/year. I hope that UO and UW each have one loss from their historical rivals. Then, they can roll. That would be entertaining. if Oregon and UW went winless in the Big next season, my reaction every week they notched up yet another loss would be: "HA! THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!" |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 5, 2024 12:27:13 GMT -8
“I’ll tell you what I think is going to happen. Some of the...institutions, particularly those in L.A., will have their fling. Last night there was a UP dispatch in the local paper. Its origin was Los Angeles. It gloated over the demise of the PCC. Now, it said, the large institutions with large stadiums can really make some money out of football … Cal, Stanford, and Washington can likewise fill their stadiums. How wonderful this will be....Nevertheless, this super-colossal virus will have to be attenuated and that will take time. After that, maybe, there’ll be hope for a new organization...Calm your fears, brother; just sit back and watch the show. It’s going to be good.”
--President August Leroy Strand to the Presidents of Oregon and Wazzu.
President Strand's story is an interesting story. His parents were both Swedish immigrants, and he was a first generation American. Strand was born in Texas, but his parents moved to Montana when Strand was six or seven. Strand grew up in Montana and graduated from Montana State before joining the Navy and serving as an aviator during World War I. After the Great War, Strand studied at Penn State and Minnesota, earning his doctorate at Minnesota, where he worked for his first three years as a professor. Strand moved back to teach at Montana State in 1931. He was instrumental in fighting locust invasions in Montana and was named the President of Montana State in 1937.
Meanwhile, at Oregon State, President George Wilcox Peavy retired in July 1940, after serving as President for almost eight years, notably navigating the Great Depression and starting up the doctoral program during his tenure. Peavy was replaced by Frank Llewellyn Ballard, who almost immediately fell ill, stopped effectively serving as President after less than four months, and resigned after less than a year. He was replaced by Dr. Francois A. Gilfillan, one of the deans of the College of Science, who had been effectively filling in for President Ballard since October 1940. Unfortunately, with the outbreak of war, and Japan's near monopoly on rubber, Acting President Gilfillan, one of the foremost researchers into synthetic rubber, was less and less able to handle the role. President Wilcox would serve as the Benton County Chairman of Civilian Defense and Chairman of the American Red Cross during World War II. After World War II ended, President Wilcox would win the first two post-war elections for Mayor of Corvallis, dying in office on June 24, 1951. President Ballard recovered from his illness and continued to serve as the Director of Oregon State's Extension Service until 1961.
President Strand was hired as President of Oregon State College on October 15, 1942, while the Guadalcanal Campaign continued to rage. President Strand, under the effective leadership of former President Peavy navigated World War II and worked with the Army to train soldiers for service. After the war, President Strand helped to secure funding for 25 major buildings, including both Gill Coliseum and Parker Stadium. He founded the School of Humanities and Social Science and re-founded the School of Business and Technology. The school began awarding masters and doctorates in Engineering. Additionally, Oregon State began offering Oceanography degrees. He also changed Oregon State College's name to Oregon State University.
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 6, 2024 10:23:22 GMT -8
Good stuff, Wilky! thanks for the history! Cheers!
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 7, 2024 19:36:47 GMT -8
Lanning is hard not to like. He's a young coach and he makes mistakes. But whenever the question comes up about another school, he says in some words, "no way." That is a trait our former coach did not have. Well, we have no idea what the O coach would do if his situation included: Not having a for sure conference affiliation for the upcoming season An actual schedule, with no guarantee "IF" one emerges in future it will include Power 5 games No guarantee team will keep it's Power 5 status and eligibility for championship/playoff Definitely no chance at a Conference Championship game or regulars season title in foreseeable future At the time, no truthful way to promise current players, assistants, and recruiting prospects everything will be ok. It was not known and given the court battle at the time, the only certainty was an uncertain future in almost all imaginable facets.
I'm not going to convince or even try to convince anyone who's written JS off, to change their mind. I will repeat the facts and circumstances however which preceded his decision as it stands to reason, at least in my view, he's still be here and happy to be here if he thought he could continue to build upon the solid foundation he created. Things look somewhat better now, with a few questions answered, but a couple months back that was far from the case. All this to say, I'd rather spit repeatedly into a head wind than root for the dirty, rotten, college football wrecking, entity south of Corvallis I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. |
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