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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 23:28:15 GMT -8
I thought the discussion was 5’s. Tanja was a 4. If we're going to talk about every big we should start with Carol Menken. By far the most dominant player statistically in OSU women's bb history. And comparing who is "best" is a ridiculous endeavor. Different eras, styles of play, roles on the team, quality of teammates/opponents, and some that have finished careers... all as Beavs. In this era you never know about the later... only hope the good ones stay.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 1, 2024 9:04:07 GMT -8
There are those who will diminish OSU WBB's 12-0 start saying we've played a very weak schedule. I say, this team has continued to improve and shown resilience along the way. Arkansas Pine Bluff (down by 17) and this team came back and found a way to win. Beating the teams handily that we should have beat. I like the way the schedule has worked out for OSU. Oregon is no pushover. Oregon has good athletes. So does OSU. But our players played as a "team" today, and stayed together. I didn't see any HERO ball from OSU today. Methodically staying with it, and working as a team the entire 40 minutes. Defense will win you games when the shots are not falling, and that first half defense kept us in the game. This team has depth as well, and it showed today in Lily & Timea making huge contributions. For those skeptics, remember we are a young and even a new team in some respects. Next weekend will be tough, but I have faith that no matter the outcome (W or L) this team will be an even better team after next weekend.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Jan 1, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -8
Have we stopped arguing about whether yesterday's win over the dunx was good enough yet?
Enjoy life more today--Tomorrow will be here soon enough to eff things up.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 1, 2024 10:22:36 GMT -8
One cannot discuss all-time OSU bigs and forget Tanja Kostic. Scored 2,349 points and had 1,001 rebounds in 111 career games. She is the only player in school history with 2,000 points and 1,000 rebounds. Two-time Pac-10 POY and the second-leading scorer (at one time) in league history. I thought the discussion was 5’s. Tanja was a 4. I think of anyone who plays forward or center as a "big." But yes, she was not a center.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 1, 2024 16:14:03 GMT -8
Gee - I hate to leave this scintillating 4 vs. 5 .... Kostic / Gulich / Menken conversation, behind.....BUT - Back to yesterday's victory over the U of O:
So impressed with the defense. As others have noted, it's the best Beav WBB 'D' in several years.
Lid' on the Beav hoop in 1st half....Minor Problem! - the defense kept it within range.
2nd half, not only does the 'lid' disappear (Timea! Lordy), but an even more amped-up Beav defense causes the Ducks to positively melt.
Will it 'work' in L.A. ?.....Maybe. But, I believe the D prowess of the Beavs will, at least make it interesting.
Bottom line: the 2023/2024 OSU Women's Basketball Team is fun to watch.
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 1, 2024 17:31:38 GMT -8
One thing that was encouraging to me in the win yesterday was that Raegan has shown improvment in her ability to score on and defend against bigger posts. This is going to be very important in the games at USC and UCLA. Though Rayah Marshall of USC is the same size as Raegan (6'4"), she plays taller because of her amazing jumping ability; her quickness will also be a challenge. The moves that Raegan displayed to get around Kyei should help her against Marshall and maybe more so at UCLA given that their bigs aren't as quick as Marshall. Last year, in all games, Raegan had help from Jelena; this year she'll have Rees, whose better quickness and mobility should help (despite losing 3").
Last year against USC: Score: OSU-USC Beers Pts Marshall Pts Beers Minutes Marshall Minutes Beers Fouls Marshall Fouls Corvallis : 58 - 69 19 33 28 38 2 3 LA : 56 - 60 18 11 32 27 3 2 Pac-12 Tourney: 56 - 48 18 4 33 31 3 5
Stats from last year show the correlation between our performance against USC and Marshalls' effectiveness. Controlling Marshall was key to winning last year. This year we have to control JuJu Watkins, their top scorer at 26.8 ppg. Marshall is the only starter from last year; two others are new (Forbes,13.8ppg and Padilla, 7.3 ppg) and and one (Taylor Bigby) was a reserve last year. Their team scoring average is up from 64 ppg last year to 80 ppg. Marshall's ppg average this year is 13.3 versus 12.7 last year (so that 33 in our first game with them was way out of the norm).
Other than that first game, we played them close last year and got better with each game. This year both teams are better. It should be interesting!
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Post by greybeav on Jan 2, 2024 8:44:21 GMT -8
Perspective, Lily dribbling a giant ball:
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 2, 2024 14:20:20 GMT -8
Perspective, Lily dribbling a giant ball: /photo/1 That must have been the ball Oregon was shooting with! Explains a lot...
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Post by lefty on Jan 2, 2024 14:51:50 GMT -8
Great win, but my observation is that the luck players had many opportunities to take the ball to the basket, but were reluctant to do so.Also turned own a lot of open shots. This may be the weakest team they have had in several years, but Graves is a good coach and I look for them to be significantly better by the end of the year. I really like our team this year and I think we will have a good year against very tough competition preparing us for March Madness
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Post by markwbeaver on Jan 2, 2024 16:08:39 GMT -8
We'll find out soon how the Pac-12 will go. If I counted right, 9 out of the next 13 are against USC, UCLA, Stanford, Utah and Colorado. This includes a stretch at the end of this month of 4 out of 5 against Colorado and Utah.
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Post by jones on Jan 3, 2024 12:43:11 GMT -8
Oh, here comes the negative nellies! I thought the Beavers played a disgraceful first half and a tremendous second half, motivated by the rivalry and having home court advantage. But I'm not drinking the Koolaid yet...this weekend will tell us 75% of what we need to know about the 2023-24 Beavers. There was nothing disgraceful about the first half. The defense was outstanding and held a Pac-12 team to 23 first half points. Once the Beavs got the lead it was all over for the Ducks. The pressure was on to perform but the crowd and the Beavs defense stifled them. Kelsey stuffed #40 (the Ducks only real scoring threat) a couple of times in the 2nd half. AJ played the 2 guard for quite a while, shutting down Duck's guards. Donovyn and Kennedy played great games. I was sitting at court level (ADA seating) and it was great to the see the intensity of the guards on defense, going under screens, through double screens, stifling Ducks guard. The communication on defense was top notch. The offense schooled the Ducks regarding the pick and roll. Lily sat a pick on the Ducks big girl for an open Beers layup on the left side and then AJ sat the same pick on the right. Donovyn recognized the play several times for the assists. The Ducks appeared stunned on several occasions as the Beavs ran plays on them. There was a point in the 3rd qtr when Talia sat out and Donovyn ran the point to quite well. Then coach brought Talia with 5 minutes left in the 4th to temper the offense.
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Post by sparty on Jan 3, 2024 12:46:32 GMT -8
Is Graves as stupid as he looks. Something seems just off with him since Covid
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Post by newduke2 on Jan 3, 2024 15:33:49 GMT -8
Is Graves as stupid as he looks. Something seems just off with him since Covid deleted
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Post by newduke2 on Jan 3, 2024 15:35:21 GMT -8
I thought the Beavers played a disgraceful first half and a tremendous second half, motivated by the rivalry and having home court advantage. But I'm not drinking the Koolaid yet...this weekend will tell us 75% of what we need to know about the 2023-24 Beavers. There was nothing disgraceful about the first half. The defense was outstanding and held a Pac-12 team to 23 first half points. Once the Beavs got the lead it was all over for the Ducks. The pressure was on to perform but the crowd and the Beavs defense stifled them. Kelsey stuffed #40 (the Ducks only real scoring threat) a couple of times in the 2nd half. AJ played the 2 guard for quite a while, shutting down Duck's guards. Donovyn and Kennedy played great games. I was sitting at court level (ADA seating) and it was great to the see the intensity of the guards on defense, going under screens, through double screens, stifling Ducks guard. The communication on defense was top notch. The offense schooled the Ducks regarding the pick and roll. Lily sat a pick on the Ducks big girl for an open Beers layup on the left side and then AJ sat the same pick on the right. Donovyn recognized the play several times for the assists. The Ducks appeared stunned on several occasions as the Beavs ran plays on them. There was a point in the 3rd qtr when Talia sat out and Donovyn ran the point to quite well. Then coach brought Talia with 5 minutes left in the 4th to temper the offense. I was not specific enough in my opening sentence. I am specifically referring to OSU's shooting in the first half. It was below 21 percent. To me, that qualifies as "disgraceful". I can't recall a half ever being that poor, although there may be a few out there from the past.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 4, 2024 12:19:06 GMT -8
Per Her Hoop Stats Oregon is tied for currently having the most players transferred to other schools at 11. That would explain some of their troubles. And yes, the Beav's have five players currently playing at other schools (assuming Jones gets back to play).
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