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Post by easyheat on Dec 14, 2023 15:40:48 GMT -8
Once Smith is finished with OSU's roster and recruits, how will his recruiting fare when he competes with Michigan and Ohio State for those coveted 4-Stars? Aiden Childs is now a Spartan as are Frazier and Hooks. If the Michigan State band ever played the Beaver fight song, half their team would stand and salute!  |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 14, 2023 15:45:44 GMT -8
Once Smith is finished with OSU's roster and recruits, how will his recruiting fare when he competes with Michigan and Ohio State for those coveted 4-Stars? Aiden Childs is now a Spartan as are Frazier and Hooks. If the Michigan State band ever played the Beaver fight song, half their team would stand and salute! I think relatively few players will follow him to Michigan State. A couple of recruits, Chiles.. but the thing about recruiting is that it's about more than just the coaches recruiting you for the most part. You're going to be recruiting from mostly a different base in East Lansing, because you're not going to have as much access to the West Coast as you would in Corvallis if you're Smith and Co. A lot more midwest access, a lot more east coast access. Probably roughly equal access to Texas. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2023 15:50:28 GMT -8
Once Smith is finished with OSU's roster and recruits, how will his recruiting fare when he competes with Michigan and Ohio State for those coveted 4-Stars? Aiden Childs is now a Spartan as are Frazier and Hooks. If the Michigan State band ever played the Beaver fight song, half their team would stand and salute! I think relatively few players will follow him to Michigan State. A couple of recruits, Chiles.. but the thing about recruiting is that it's about more than just the coaches recruiting you for the most part. You're going to be recruiting from mostly a different base in East Lansing, because you're not going to have as much access to the West Coast as you would in Corvallis if you're Smith and Co. A lot more midwest access, a lot more east coast access. Probably roughly equal access to Texas. Velling is most likely headed to MSU. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 14, 2023 16:17:06 GMT -8
I think relatively few players will follow him to Michigan State. A couple of recruits, Chiles.. but the thing about recruiting is that it's about more than just the coaches recruiting you for the most part. You're going to be recruiting from mostly a different base in East Lansing, because you're not going to have as much access to the West Coast as you would in Corvallis if you're Smith and Co. A lot more midwest access, a lot more east coast access. Probably roughly equal access to Texas. Velling is most likely headed to MSU. Following Woz I guess. Still, I doubt there will be many more than those two. |
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Post by bennysdentist on Dec 14, 2023 16:23:33 GMT -8
Corvallis > EL any day of the week.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 14, 2023 17:26:46 GMT -8
Corvallis > EL any day of the week. Oh Hell Yes! |
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Post by 56chevy on Dec 14, 2023 17:42:04 GMT -8
Would be a cleaner deal if players couldnt follow coaches to a new school. Would be a better situation if coaches had the integrity to just do the right thing.
Smith met and recruited players while being compensated by OSU. He developed relationships and better learned about individual talents while being paid by OSU. In at least a few other industries Smith would have all kinds of legal problems about now. Has college football become so monetarily compromised that it's leaders truely can not tell right from wrong today?
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Post by ftd on Dec 14, 2023 17:47:22 GMT -8
Would be a cleaner deal if players couldnt follow coaches to a new school. Would be a better situation if coaches had the integrity to just do the right thing. Smith met and recruited players while being compensated by OSU. He developed relationships and better learned about individual talents while being paid by OSU. In at least a few other industries Smith would have all kinds of legal problems about now. Has college football become so monetarily compromised that its leaders truely can not tell right from wrong today? Good luck... In the business world this stuff happens all the time...Somebody leaves company C to to work for bigger company N. Both are in the same basic business. The person that moves, recruits and hires the people he/she worked with at company C to now work at company N. |
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Post by algernon14 on Dec 14, 2023 18:56:57 GMT -8
Isn't that called a "Non-Compete Clause" in the business world? Jonathon Smith appears to be channeling his Willie Taggart, what a sack of potatoes he turned out to be.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 14, 2023 19:18:41 GMT -8
Isn't that called a "Non-Compete Clause" in the business world? Jonathon Smith appears to be channeling his Willie Taggart, what a sack of potatoes he turned out to be. Non-compete clauses aren't worth the paper they're printed on. In the olden days, an Aidan Chiles who wants to follow he whose name is not spoken, Aidan would have paid a penalty - sit out a year. That always seemed unfair and arbitrary since it applied only to college athletics. Now Aidan can go where his heart leads him, and it is leading him to East Lansing. Since I want to see that program fail, I'm sorry he he chose it. Would have been fine with him opting for any other college in the USA. Oh well. I don't like it but I guess things happen that way. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2023 19:27:40 GMT -8
Isn't that called a "Non-Compete Clause" in the business world? Jonathon Smith appears to be channeling his Willie Taggart, what a sack of potatoes he turned out to be. We’re all bitter, and Smith did things I can’t believe he did, but in no world should he be equated or even mentioned with Taggart. |
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Post by grackle on Dec 15, 2023 7:23:39 GMT -8
Isn't that called a "Non-Compete Clause" in the business world? Jonathon Smith appears to be channeling his Willie Taggart, what a sack of potatoes he turned out to be. We’re all bitter, and Smith did things I can’t believe he did, but in no world should he be equated or even mentioned with Taggart. Aiden Chiles didn't play at all in the Civil War. It would be naive to assume that Smith hadn't let him know that he would be accepting the MSU position after the UO game was over. In other words, I think it highly likely that Smith was recruiting for MSU BEFORE he left OSU. Scumbag. |
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 15, 2023 8:05:48 GMT -8
It has nothing to do with "non-compete clauses". It has to do with the employer-employee contract under common law. If an engineer designs a widget as an employee of company A, and then he leaves A for company B, he can't take the drawings with him. He is free to design a new widget for B, but he has to start over again. That much is straightforward.
But with recruiting it's not so simple. A "relationship", sans an actual binding contract, is not an asset that you can recover in court. Whatever *data* on Aidan Chiles is sitting on OSU servers and laptops belongs to OSU. If on his way out, JS copied all the scouting reports that OSU had purchased over the year or the phone and message logs in the OSU contact management system (that I assume they have), that would be theft. But JS wouldn't need any of that to get Chiles to flip and I doubt he would be stupid enough to bother. He has all the information he needs in his personal notes.
Finally, there is the question of whether JS actively worked on the behalf of MSU while still an OSU employee. That would be simple fraud but it's extremely difficult to prosecute. In this case, surely it's impossible. Objectively, he did show up to the game with a game plan. Practices happened, film was studied. We have no tangible evidence that he wasn't doing his job as indicated in his contract.
So we're stuck with just calling him a scumbag. We'll never have the satisfaction of calling him a criminal scumbag.
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Post by bvrbred on Dec 15, 2023 8:09:46 GMT -8
All these legal avenues of redress against a departing coach who has done what Jonathan has done (and what other coaches do) are supposed to be covered by the buy out, which is essentially a liquidated damages provision. If they want to go after these coaches they need to start writing non compete clauses into the contracts (not aware that the do now--maybe I'm wrong) and eliminating buy outs. Don't know if any coaches would agree to such terms--their "agents" would undoubtedly advise against it. But you've got to start somewhere. This has gotten way out of hand.
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Post by rafer on Dec 15, 2023 11:24:26 GMT -8
We’re all bitter, and Smith did things I can’t believe he did, but in no world should he be equated or even mentioned with Taggart. Aiden Chiles didn't play at all in the Civil War. It would be naive to assume that Smith hadn't let him know that he would be accepting the MSU position after the UO game was over. In other words, I think it highly likely that Smith was recruiting for MSU BEFORE he left OSU. Scumbag. Hell yes!! |
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