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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 15, 2023 21:05:08 GMT -8
If Taylor Jones’ departure opened a 4 spot for Kelsey Rees.
I'll consider that a net plus. I wouldn't really look at it that way, since there was a year between 1 leaving and the other arriving. I'd say Jones' departure allowed Beers to get a lot of time on the floor right away and accelerated her development. Rees is fitting in very nicely. She's not the player that Jones is, but it really isn't a straight up trade.
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Post by jimbob on Dec 15, 2023 21:07:51 GMT -8
I'm sorry. I know everybody has off nights, but that was not a very good team we played tonight. I just didn't see that much athleticism from them. Bad shooting, like good shooting, feeds on itself, but 26.7%? Outrebounded 56 - 31? I just can't envision them beating the Ducks, and I have absolutely no idea how they held them to 50 points. Yes---really unbelievable that they beat UO by 39 pts at MK Arena! OS pretty much out-talented and out-quicked SC at every position starter on down right through the bench players. I couldn't help but think that this is the type of athlete we will be watching at OS in the coming years if we join the MWC. Top 25 talented basketball players like Talia, Timea, and Reagan will probably not even give us a 2nd thought as a MWC team. I sure hope OS and WS can re-start the Pac with some of the better non Power 5 teams out there that would jump at the chance to be in the PAC. I liked that SR managed to get Martha and Adlee and Sela decent minutes tonight---this was much needed to keep everyone happy and focused. Everyone of our bench players are solid players and when the time comes with starters in foul trouble or injury all of these players are capable of filling in without much of a drop off in talent level on the floor. It's a nice situation to have but a tough job for the coach to give everyone their deserved PT. It was nice to see Talia looking for her shot more tonight and to see a couple of her long range bombs swish through the net! That bodes well for upcoming Pac-12 play.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 15, 2023 21:08:41 GMT -8
If Taylor Jones’ departure opened a 4 spot for Kelsey Rees.
I'll consider that a net plus. That 4 spot actually came from Kennedy Brown. Rees is doing exactly what Brown wanted to but couldn't. Jones was always the 5
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 15, 2023 21:17:39 GMT -8
If Taylor Jones’ departure opened a 4 spot for Kelsey Rees.
I'll consider that a net plus. That 4 spot actually came from Kennedy Brown. Rees is doing exactly what Brown wanted to but couldn't. Jones was always the 5 Oops, I'm sorry, you're absolutely right. Got the names switched in my head. Kennedy's the one at Duke. Taylor's doing well at Texas - better than at OSU (apparently likes being closer to home).
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Post by grayman on Dec 15, 2023 21:28:09 GMT -8
There are some significant upgrades to the Beavers as opposed to recent years if the early returns hold true. There's better depth with a variety of player types and better team speed. If TVO is going to continue at this pace, that's a big upgrade from what she was able to do last season. And she gives this team another go-to scorer. If Timea continues at this pace, it will be a big upgrade. And pretty much her mere ability to get on the court and be productive is an upgrade. Rees is a positional upgrade as far as adding an extra dimension to the frontcourt with her ability to score inside and from the perimeter. Not to mention another rebounder and defender. It looks as if Hunter has a good hold on point guard but there's a few others who seem capable at the spot. Yeah, the team is pretty young overall. Not saying they'll win the Pac-12 or anything but they look capable of making some noise in the race this season.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 15, 2023 21:35:48 GMT -8
I'm sorry. I know everybody has off nights, but that was not a very good team we played tonight. I just didn't see that much athleticism from them. Bad shooting, like good shooting, feeds on itself, but 26.7%? Outrebounded 56 - 31? I just can't envision them beating the Ducks, and I have absolutely no idea how they held them to 50 points. Yes---really unbelievable that they beat UO by 39 pts at MK Arena! OS pretty much out-talented and out-quicked SC at every position starter on down right through the bench players. I couldn't help but think that this is the type of athlete we will be watching at OS in the coming years if we join the MWC. Top 25 talented basketball players like Talia, Timea, and Reagan will probably not even give us a 2nd thought as a MWC team. I sure hope OS and WS can re-start the Pac with some of the better non Power 5 teams out there that would jump at the chance to be in the PAC. I liked that SR managed to get Martha and Adlee and Sela decent minutes tonight---this was much needed to keep everyone happy and focused. Everyone of our bench players are solid players and when the time comes with starters in foul trouble or injury all of these players are capable of filling in without much of a drop off in talent level on the floor. It's a nice situation to have but a tough job for the coach to give everyone their deserved PT. It was nice to see Talia looking for her shot more tonight and to see a couple of her long range bombs swish through the net! That bodes well for upcoming Pac-12 play. UConn has made it work. Big East is better than MW, but still pretty bad
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 15, 2023 21:36:17 GMT -8
My observations from the stands. Sc came out and played very physical and the barlow bunch allowed it. That made for a very chippy game. It was great seeing the Beavs giving it right back. They actually forced the refs into calling some of the fouls. However things never did really settle down. I was just happy to see the game end without any injuries.
Santa Clara was not shooting it very well but from my vantage point they weren't getting many good looks. OSU was in their face a lot. They forced them into shots they didn't want to take.
On the other end sc had a plan to keep Raegan under control. Didn't work even when they triple and even quadruple team her. It just left others open and they made them pay and then they really couldn't stop Raegan anyway.
I agree with others that sc didn't seem very good. They didn't hold an advantage over the Beavs in any area.
And with Martha getting playing time she also had time sitting next to Aleah for some coaching. Not sure what was said but Aleah was more animated than usual.
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Post by grayman on Dec 15, 2023 22:00:42 GMT -8
Yes---really unbelievable that they beat UO by 39 pts at MK Arena! OS pretty much out-talented and out-quicked SC at every position starter on down right through the bench players. I couldn't help but think that this is the type of athlete we will be watching at OS in the coming years if we join the MWC. Top 25 talented basketball players like Talia, Timea, and Reagan will probably not even give us a 2nd thought as a MWC team. I sure hope OS and WS can re-start the Pac with some of the better non Power 5 teams out there that would jump at the chance to be in the PAC. I liked that SR managed to get Martha and Adlee and Sela decent minutes tonight---this was much needed to keep everyone happy and focused. Everyone of our bench players are solid players and when the time comes with starters in foul trouble or injury all of these players are capable of filling in without much of a drop off in talent level on the floor. It's a nice situation to have but a tough job for the coach to give everyone their deserved PT. It was nice to see Talia looking for her shot more tonight and to see a couple of her long range bombs swish through the net! That bodes well for upcoming Pac-12 play. UConn has made it work. Big East is better than MW, but still pretty bad Not really sure that's true, though. Even though the Big East lost a power program or two (Notre Dame). it's still pretty good and strong historically. And there's a lot of basketball history on the men's side, which can't hurt. And UConn is like Utah gymnastics. The program is hugely popular and the fans fill 10,000 seats. Probably not totally self- sufficient but certainly self-propelling.
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Post by jefframp on Dec 15, 2023 22:06:10 GMT -8
My observations from the stands. Sc came out and played very physical and the barlow bunch allowed it. That made for a very chippy game. It was great seeing the Beavs giving it right back. They actually forced the refs into calling some of the fouls. However things never did really settle down. I was just happy to see the game end without any injuries. Santa Clara was not shooting it very well but from my vantage point they weren't getting many good looks. OSU was in their face a lot. They forced them into shots they didn't want to take. On the other end sc had a plan to keep Raegan under control. Didn't work even when they triple and even quadruple team her. It just left others open and they made them pay and then they really couldn't stop Raegan anyway. I agree with others that sc didn't seem very good. They didn't hold an advantage over the Beavs in any area. And with Martha getting playing time she also had time sitting next to Aleah for some coaching. Not sure what was said but Aleah was more animated than usual. Speaking of Missy Barlow.....I wasn't sure it was her at first. That gal has lost a lot of weight! And yes, I was in the stands tonight as well.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 15, 2023 22:10:46 GMT -8
Yes---really unbelievable that they beat UO by 39 pts at MK Arena! OS pretty much out-talented and out-quicked SC at every position starter on down right through the bench players. I couldn't help but think that this is the type of athlete we will be watching at OS in the coming years if we join the MWC. Top 25 talented basketball players like Talia, Timea, and Reagan will probably not even give us a 2nd thought as a MWC team. I sure hope OS and WS can re-start the Pac with some of the better non Power 5 teams out there that would jump at the chance to be in the PAC. I liked that SR managed to get Martha and Adlee and Sela decent minutes tonight---this was much needed to keep everyone happy and focused. Everyone of our bench players are solid players and when the time comes with starters in foul trouble or injury all of these players are capable of filling in without much of a drop off in talent level on the floor. It's a nice situation to have but a tough job for the coach to give everyone their deserved PT. It was nice to see Talia looking for her shot more tonight and to see a couple of her long range bombs swish through the net! That bodes well for upcoming Pac-12 play. UConn has made it work. Big East is better than MW, but still pretty bad Yes, but UConn had already established themselves as the most dominant program in women's college basketball history with the best coach ever. Slight difference. Top players were still gonna go there regardless of the conference. They survived being in the AAC for a while, which is probably more comparable to the Mountain West.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Dec 15, 2023 22:14:15 GMT -8
Was at the game tonight. Some thoughts.... First, the team overall. Whether it was how SCU roughed up uo, or Finals being over, or the team finally figuring stuff out, or just the team rounding into form and finding their groove, the team that showed up tonight reminded me of teams from the pre-pandemic era - the team on the floor tonight played with the energy that teams with Ali or Mik or Syd or Jamie on them, and that is a really good sign. I also am appreciating the new players more and more. Hunter is really solid, and Schuler is really solid in a different way. And that bodes well too, DP's quickness and energy really takes things up a notch when she comes in, and she really has grace and balance on the court (where do Euro players get that from?). Anyway, I don't think KS and DH will wilt under Pac-12 pressure, and I believe their ball handling will stand up to the test - modulo those freshman growing pains (still saw some ill-advised passes, and some looong cross court passes). Sela also has really good hands - some of those passes being zipped into her wouldn't of had a prayer of getting corralled by some of our recent bigs. She also has something that I used to appreciate about Ruth and Taylor, and that is an innate sense of where they are at in the paint (many of our other long, lanky bigs had to reassess their position after they got the ball, delaying their making a move and letting the D collapse on them more). And Kelsey's ability to play point-forward is huge, as is her rebounding and range. TVO seems "back" - able to drive, able to long bomb. Timea just does whatever the team needs and knows how to pick her spots. RB did her thing.....I was concerned when her first point blank shot rimmed out and she went over the back on the rebounder in the first minute of play, but she was able to not get wrapped around the axle. AJ has really, really improved her pull up J, it is really smooth and tough to defend - she might be at the top of my ballot for "most improved" and she wasn't that bad last year. She is also constantly in motion and is good at rubbing off her defender to get that midrange J. Martha really found herself in the right place for several rebounds, but she isn't the slasher that DH and KS are, and Adlee needs to continue her improvement on D. Lily had a quiet night, and it's probably her minutes that folks we haven't seen much of this season ate into. KS will probably get more minutes as we go. I also think SR and company are working more this year on breaking the press with the pass and not leaving the ball handler on an island, which I find refreshing. I also haven't seen super-choreographed BLOB plays this year..... It wasn't all perfect - our entry passes to the bigs still need work, and they sometimes flashed open with their defender pinned and weren't rewarded. Need to be judicious with the long and cross court passes (improved from last game), and there were a couple instances where we got doubled or tripled on the baseline and shouldn't have been in that position......FTs remain a work in progress for some players too. But I am quite heartened by the progress the team made in this game. Bodes well for the rest of the pre-season, and I'm intrigued by the thought that we might not be anywhere close to our ceiling with this team, which could make for a really entertaining season. Go Beavers!
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 15, 2023 22:30:01 GMT -8
I thought that the first foul on Raegan was questionable. They both had the ball and the sc player turned and tried to rip the ball out of Raegan's hands. To me it looked like it should have been a jump ball.
It was good that Raegan didn't let it get to her.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 15, 2023 22:35:07 GMT -8
@2ndgenbeaver, great post! I just got home from the game and agree with everything said by you and others. I sit court side, and let me tell you, Santa Clara shot poorly because of great defense from OSU. OSU players were communicating very well with each other on defense especially the high screens. My observation is that our perimeter defenders made the correct decision to either fight through the screen or switch. Santa Clara rarely got an uncontested shot, and our length on the perimeter is a big reason why.
I can't believe our freshmen PGs--Aleah is doing wonders with both. Don't get me wrong, I saw them in the HS playoffs and knew they were going to contribute right away, but geez, they are really contributing! Aleah was the biggest off season pick up.
Best complete game I have seen from OSU WBB since Aleah was on the team her senior year.
And I do believe this team has a high ceiling.
I do want to call out how much better Timea is playing each game. Timea is working hard on defense and she is a gifted offensive player. Some of her shots were WNBA like tonight. Quick step back shot, 3-ball, etc.
And lastly to be repetitive, we have a very deep bench this year. And these young women truly enjoy playing with each other. You can see it on the bench and during time outs. There is a real bond developing amongst these players.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 15, 2023 22:47:24 GMT -8
I thought that the first foul on Raegan was questionable. They both had the ball and the sc player turned and tried to rip the ball out of Raegan's hands. To me it looked like it should have been a jump ball. It was good that Raegan didn't let it get to her. That was right in front of me, and I saw it as a foul on Raegan all the way.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 15, 2023 23:01:52 GMT -8
I thought that the first foul on Raegan was questionable. They both had the ball and the sc player turned and tried to rip the ball out of Raegan's hands. To me it looked like it should have been a jump ball. It was good that Raegan didn't let it get to her. That was right in front of me, and I saw it as a foul on Raegan all the way. I like hearing how others saw the game. I'm only seeing it from one angle. I see things differently when I watch the tape because it is from the opposite side of the court. Great observations 2gb and lotrader.
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