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Post by jayvinson on Dec 12, 2023 7:29:50 GMT -8
Not to defend nor support Adlee's playing time, but ......
First ... 2-9 is .222, not .182 Small samples of statistics mean little. Had she hit one more of those nine shots (and be 3-9 on 3's and 7-17 overall), we would say .333 and .412 isn't bad!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Dec 12, 2023 8:27:22 GMT -8
Well, we don't have insights and we don't have the kind of transparency we would like (and maybe regulatory requirements preclude the transparency....). I would like to believe there is some lingering/nagging injury or recovery from something or precautionary holding out for some reason going on. Because I think she has shown enough potential to get a few minutes at some point in these games, and she came on strong enough towards the end of last season to at least merit a bit of look-see regarding her progression in the preseason. But I am not SR, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night. There are, of course, other possibilities, ranging from "I know what I have in you, I need to get some of these rookies battle tested and see what I've got" to "I am sending you a message" (let the speculation begin on message being sent - athletic, academic, attitude, etc. etc). Her demeanor and body language do not seem to indicate tension of that sort.....and she still seems engaged in the proceedings and not sulking.
I will see at the SCU game if I detect a "hitch in her giddyup" during warmups or sulky behavior on the end of the pine, but, again, that would be mere speculation. But in this day and age, I think the OP's concerns are valid if the reasons for her lack of minutes are among the more dour ones..... Go Beavers!
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2023 10:20:51 GMT -8
She didn't look injured a couple games ago and the whole thing about Adlee not getting playing time has been going on all season anyway, so I don't think it's about that. As I said in another thread, Adlee has already shown that she can be a good offensive player by the way she played late last season. It's got to be her defense, though I'm not seeing anything that would be bad enough to keep her on the bench for entire games. I think OSU is just overloaded with guard types, making it all the easier for Rueck to keep her on the bench if he has a problem with her defense.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 12, 2023 11:39:01 GMT -8
Not to defend nor support Adlee's playing time, but ...... First ... 2-9 is .222, not .182 Small samples of statistics mean little. Had she hit one more of those nine shots (and be 3-9 on 3's and 7-17 overall), we would say .333 and .412 isn't bad! I just copied what OSU'S site had on it. Didn't think I needed to check it's math.
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 12, 2023 12:32:58 GMT -8
Adlee is 2 for 11 from 3 this season
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 12, 2023 13:14:02 GMT -8
Adlee is 2 for 11 from 3 this season Correct, that is the .182 I must have copied it wrong. Probably shouldn't post late at night
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2023 14:56:38 GMT -8
Adlee is 2 for 11 from 3 this season Correct, that is the .182 I must have copied it wrong. Probably shouldn't post late at night Yeah, but Lily was just 1-6 from 3 against Jackson State and Rueck didn't bench her. Adlee was the best 3-point shooter on the team last year percentage-wise (.465). She was 33-71. And she's spent most of this season on the bench.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 12, 2023 15:22:27 GMT -8
Correct, that is the .182 I must have copied it wrong. Probably shouldn't post late at night Yeah, but Lily was just 1-6 from 3 against Jackson State and Rueck didn't bench her. Adlee was the best 3-point shooter on the team last year percentage-wise (.465). She was 33-71. And she's spent most of this season on the bench. Lily is significantly better on defense. She has 6 blocks so far this season including an amazing one against jsu. And even with a lower than normal 3 point percentage against jsu her shooting totals are still way better. I really like Adlee's game for the most part but she has not been able to replicate her shooting from last year.
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2023 15:50:10 GMT -8
Yeah, but Lily was just 1-6 from 3 against Jackson State and Rueck didn't bench her. Adlee was the best 3-point shooter on the team last year percentage-wise (.465). She was 33-71. And she's spent most of this season on the bench. Lily is significantly better on defense. She has 6 blocks so far this season including an amazing one against jsu. And even with a lower than normal 3 point percentage against jsu her shooting totals are still way better. I really like Adlee's game for the most part but she has not been able to replicate her shooting from last year. Yes, therefore my statement that it might be Adlee's defense earlier in this thread and a couple others. To me, this is the best possible answer to why Rueck is keeping her on the bench. It's not her shooting. And it's a numbers game. Hard to keep Lily with her length or Paurova with her speed off the court along with playing Talia and AJ plenty of minutes. And as far as her shooting...it's hard to replicate good shooting in a few minutes a game on the court. Maybe she hits 1 of 3 or misses a couple. While good shooters should be able to step on the court and hit shots, not enough court time to get into a groove can be a problem. She's averaged 8.4 minutes a game. Pretty sure Rueck hasn't just decided, well, that's it. She can't make 3s anymore.
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Post by markwbeaver on Dec 12, 2023 16:26:23 GMT -8
It seems to me that the question about Blacklock's playing time isn't quite being asked in the best form. This year's team has a very deep bench at guard, the deepest I can remember at any time. There aren't enough minutes in a game for all of the guards to get long stretches on the court. As the team approaches conference play and the heart of the season, the rotation is likely to get tighter, not broader.
So I think the best question to ask about Blacklock is not "why is she not getting more time on the court"? but rather "why are substitutes Hansford, Paurova, and Shuler getting more time than Blacklock (and Pietsch)?"
That question answers itself, in my mind. The coach has decided that because of performance and potential there is reason to give the first three guards more time on the court than the second two guards. This can change, of course. And we as fans can and certainly will discuss why we think the coach has made this decision at this time.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 12, 2023 16:45:34 GMT -8
Adlee is not injured as of last game. Adlee was very spry during warm ups. Without enough game minutes it is not reasonable to measure Adlee's shooting (percentage) vs other OSU guards who have more PT this season. No question that coach needs to give time to Donovyn and Kennedie in pre-season to learn the offense/defense and get minutes with the likely rotation players. Adlee & Martha are already familiar with the offense/defense and have minutes under their belt with the returners from last season.
I still believe Adlee will get minutes as Adlee can fill it up (and quickly). Adlee is also a crowd pleaser and gives great energy whenever on the floor. There really isn't enough minutes to go around the guard pool, and why I believe Susana Yepes is redshirting this season.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 12, 2023 17:49:08 GMT -8
Adlee is not injured as of last game. Adlee was very spry during warm ups. Without enough game minutes it is not reasonable to measure Adlee's shooting (percentage) vs other OSU guards who have more PT this season. No question that coach needs to give time to Donovyn and Kennedie in pre-season to learn the offense/defense and get minutes with the likely rotation players. Adlee & Martha are already familiar with the offense/defense and have minutes under their belt with the returners from last season. I still believe Adlee will get minutes as Adlee can fill it up (and quickly). Adlee is also a crowd pleaser and gives great energy whenever on the floor. There really isn't enough minutes to go around the guard pool, and why I believe Susana Yepes is redshirting this season. "Adlee is not injured as of last game". I wouldn't have thought that Talia was hurt last year until she stopped playing and said she was going to get an operation. It doesn't take much to throw your game off and others can't see anything wrong. If she says she is physically fine then ok, but otherwise we don't know.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 12, 2023 19:19:16 GMT -8
Having watched Adlee in warm-ups at every home game this season, I don't see any difference in her physical abilities or her physicaleffort on the court. Maybe she has a hangnail on her shooting hand?
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 12, 2023 19:37:56 GMT -8
Having watched Adlee in warm-ups at every home game this season, I don't see any difference in her physical abilities or her physicaleffort on the court. Maybe she has a hangnail on her shooting hand? Could you tell there was something wrong with Talia last season other than her loss in shooting accuracy? And an inside source telling us. But I couldn't see anything in her movement/playing otherwise.
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 12, 2023 20:26:20 GMT -8
My puppy had no visible injuries, but he quit attempting to jump on the couch or bed and had a drastic reduction in wanting to play. Still played and jumped, just not as much. Turns out he has hip dysplasia in both hips. Oh sorry, got a little carried away with this injury talk...
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