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Post by grayman on Nov 17, 2023 16:20:11 GMT -8
From 2002-2012, one school's football program went 7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7, 4-9, 0-12, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6.
During that same period, another school went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5, 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9, 9-4
Any guesses on the two programs?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 17, 2023 16:22:38 GMT -8
From 2002-2012, one school's football program went 7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7, 4-9, 0-12, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. During that same period, another school went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5, 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9, 9-4 Any guesses on the two programs? Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 17, 2023 16:30:21 GMT -8
From 2002-2012, one school's football program went 7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7, 4-9, 0-12, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. During that same period, another school went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5, 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9, 9-4 Any guesses on the two programs? Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. We definitely hired the wrong "sen" |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 17, 2023 16:33:21 GMT -8
Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. We definitely hired the wrong "sen" Was it that or a delay in the big boy pant's shipment? |
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Post by grayman on Nov 17, 2023 16:35:37 GMT -8
From 2002-2012, one school's football program went 7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7, 4-9, 0-12, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. During that same period, another school went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5, 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9, 9-4 Any guesses on the two programs? Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. Yep. I've seen a lot of OSU detractors on social media point at the 2013-2022 as proof that OSU is a poor program I just thought it's kind of interesting how college football fans from around the country would most likely think the above records would be reversed. Perception seems to often outweigh reality in the college football world. It's also interesting when you compare OSU to Texas A&M from 1998-now. OSU has four 7 win seasons, four 8-win seasons (counting this season), three 9-win seasons, two 10-win seasons and one 11-win season. Texas A&M has three 7-wins, seven 8-wins, five 9-wins, 0 10-wins and two 11-win seasons. Surprisingly comparable. Anyway, I thought the whole UW-OSU comparison was an interesting tidbit going into Saturday's game |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Nov 17, 2023 16:50:33 GMT -8
"Perception seems to often outweigh reality in the college football world."
Not just the football world. For many people, perception IS reality, regardless of topic.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 17, 2023 17:17:09 GMT -8
From 2002-2012, one school's football program went 7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7, 4-9, 0-12, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. During that same period, another school went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5, 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9, 9-4 Any guesses on the two programs? Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. Which in turn led us to JS...in hindsight it was worth the pain. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 17, 2023 20:28:51 GMT -8
Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. We definitely hired the wrong "sen" You could take that a step, and a syllable, further and say we hired the wrong ersen, who also happened to be the wrong person. |
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 17, 2023 21:52:30 GMT -8
Yeah, that's Washington and us. Now do 2013-2022. They got Chris Petersen. We got Gary Andersen. Coaching clearly makes a difference. Which in turn led us to JS...in hindsight it was worth the pain. In a 'normal' environment, I would agree with you. I've come to...maybe not forgive....but at least forget, Gary Andersen. But this whole conference thing has re-ignited my white-hot hatred for the man. If we had hired a good coach after Riley left, who kept us relevant and strong, playing in good bowl games, I honestly think there's a decent chance we wouldn't have been passed over in this mess. The outside attitude and perception about our program is night and day compared to 10-15 years ago. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 17, 2023 23:05:16 GMT -8
Which in turn led us to JS...in hindsight it was worth the pain. In a 'normal' environment, I would agree with you. I've come to...maybe not forgive....but at least forget, Gary Andersen. But this whole conference thing has re-ignited my white-hot hatred for the man. If we had hired a good coach after Riley left, who kept us relevant and strong, playing in good bowl games, I honestly think there's a decent chance we wouldn't have been passed over in this mess. The outside attitude and perception about our program is night and day compared to 10-15 years ago. IMO no other coach but JS gets this program to where it us today when you factor in all the obstacles that exist to making OS relevant...particularly in this NIL environment. At least in terms of who would actually take the job. We thought we scored when Andersen took the job, who else was there? People here were pining for the eastern Washington coach. Where is he now? Hindsight and all that. But JS is the best coach OSU has ever had (for this era and yes Im considering DEs outstanding 2000 squad) and we may be seeing the pinnacle of OSU football. Again...that's my opinion and totally respect all others that will point to Rileys wins, DEs 2000 team, and of course Prothro |
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Post by bvrbred on Nov 18, 2023 7:54:22 GMT -8
Which in turn led us to JS...in hindsight it was worth the pain. In a 'normal' environment, I would agree with you. I've come to...maybe not forgive....but at least forget, Gary Andersen. But this whole conference thing has re-ignited my white-hot hatred for the man. If we had hired a good coach after Riley left, who kept us relevant and strong, playing in good bowl games, I honestly think there's a decent chance we wouldn't have been passed over in this mess. The outside attitude and perception about our program is night and day compared to 10-15 years ago. A coach has 3 bad years and gets fired. Hardly national news. But what really tore it, and made national headlines was he walked away from 12 million dollars. To the nation at large, it looked like he was willing to walk away from all that money because the Oregon State job was such an impossible job. Why else would anyone do it? Has any other coach done it? Somebody (don't remember if it was Barnes or DeCarolis) extended him. Really bad decision given his 2 year performance, staff disarray, and all the rumors of player discontent circulating. Anyway, the extension is what made it 12 million. We couldn't pay 12 million and hire a new coach both. So Barnes somehow finessed his departure (don't believe we will ever know the whole story there). Had it been a lot less than 12 million maybe we could have just paid him and fired him and avoided national headlines. Still would have had a problem of fast rising coach who was successful at two previous programs failing miserably here. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 18, 2023 11:43:08 GMT -8
In a 'normal' environment, I would agree with you. I've come to...maybe not forgive....but at least forget, Gary Andersen. But this whole conference thing has re-ignited my white-hot hatred for the man. If we had hired a good coach after Riley left, who kept us relevant and strong, playing in good bowl games, I honestly think there's a decent chance we wouldn't have been passed over in this mess. The outside attitude and perception about our program is night and day compared to 10-15 years ago. A coach has 3 bad years and gets fired. Hardly national news. But what really tore it, and made national headlines was he walked away from 12 million dollars. To the nation at large, it looked like he was willing to walk away from all that money because the Oregon State job was such an impossible job. Why else would anyone do it? Has any other coach done it? Somebody (don't remember if it was Barnes or DeCarolis) extended him. Really bad decision given his 2 year performance, staff disarray, and all the rumors of player discontent circulating. Anyway, the extension is what made it 12 million. We couldn't pay 12 million and hire a new coach both. So Barnes somehow finessed his departure (don't believe we will ever know the whole story there). Had it been a lot less than 12 million maybe we could have just paid him and fired him and avoided national headlines. Still would have had a problem of fast rising coach who was successful at two previous programs failing miserably here. Neither. BDC quit in 2015 and Barnes was not hired until later in 2016. Stansbury extended GAG. |
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