bill82
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Post by bill82 on Oct 22, 2023 6:37:23 GMT -8
Main takeaway: The "coup behind the curtain" is the new "room where it happened." I'm posting what I find on a free substack site, but I've attached the response below. The file with the exhibits was too large. You can see them here. A few highlights from a non-lawyer perspective: WSU & OSU cite two recent court cases where the Pac-12 indicate UCLA and USC are not voting members because they gave a notice of withdrawal. One was previously reported by Jon Wilner from a wrongful termination lawsuit in San Francisco Superior Court. The new case involves NIL payments. Both are included as exhibits. WSU & OSU call out their former conference members for not joining the lawsuit in “a transparent ploy to attempt to avoid discovery.” The conclusion from WSU and OSU’s counsel provides a nice exclamation point on their arguments against UW’s motion to dismiss: “The Conference and departing schools are twisting legal doctrine with no application here in hopes that the Court will pay no attention to the coup behind the curtain.” The motion to dismiss is scheduled to be heard at the same time as the TRO hearing in November. Coup behind the curtain.pdf (571.18 KB)
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Oct 22, 2023 16:05:48 GMT -8
“a transparent ploy to attempt to avoid discovery.”
This was always going to happen. They KNOW the quantity and "quality" of the correspondence, etc., to be uncovered during discovery will be devastating to their case(s).
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 23, 2023 10:01:30 GMT -8
Main takeaway: The "coup behind the curtain" is the new "room where it happened." I'm posting what I find on a free substack site, but I've attached the response below. The file with the exhibits was too large. You can see them here. A few highlights from a non-lawyer perspective: WSU & OSU cite two recent court cases where the Pac-12 indicate UCLA and USC are not voting members because they gave a notice of withdrawal. One was previously reported by Jon Wilner from a wrongful termination lawsuit in San Francisco Superior Court. The new case involves NIL payments. Both are included as exhibits. WSU & OSU call out their former conference members for not joining the lawsuit in “a transparent ploy to attempt to avoid discovery.” The conclusion from WSU and OSU’s counsel provides a nice exclamation point on their arguments against UW’s motion to dismiss: “The Conference and departing schools are twisting legal doctrine with no application here in hopes that the Court will pay no attention to the coup behind the curtain.” The motion to dismiss is scheduled to be heard at the same time as the TRO hearing in November. View AttachmentThanks for continuing to post this stuff!
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 23, 2023 13:08:41 GMT -8
Still working my way through this. One line jumped out at me as something new and of interest:
Pg 14 line 5
"Moreover, preliminary discovery has confirmed that the departing schools coordinated with the Conference on which arguments the Conference should make in opposing the Plantiffs' application for a TRO."
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2023 13:36:09 GMT -8
Still working my way through this. One line jumped out at me as something new and of interest: Pg 14 line 5 "Moreover, preliminary discovery has confirmed that the departing schools coordinated with the Conference on which arguments the Conference should make in opposing the Plantiffs' application for a TRO." So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go.
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 23, 2023 13:46:52 GMT -8
Still working my way through this. One line jumped out at me as something new and of interest: Pg 14 line 5 "Moreover, preliminary discovery has confirmed that the departing schools coordinated with the Conference on which arguments the Conference should make in opposing the Plantiffs' application for a TRO." So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Thought about catching it yesterday but the 3 1/2 hour run time caused me rethink that idea. Looking forward to it though. did it FEEL too long?
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2023 13:55:42 GMT -8
So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Thought about catching it yesterday but the 3 1/2 hour run time caused me rethink that idea. Looking forward to it though. did it FEEL too long? Like all longer flicks it does feel a bit overindulgent/slow in areas. But, you can sort of predict it and use that for well needed bathroom break. At least for me. Anything over 150 minutes with the require popcorn and soda requires a well timed hustle to and from...
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 23, 2023 13:57:37 GMT -8
So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Thought about catching it yesterday but the 3 1/2 hour run time caused me rethink that idea. Looking forward to it though. did it FEEL too long? Great film in my opinion. Didn't feel too long at all, but my legs were a little stiff after sitting that long. Scorsese, DiCaprio, and Eric Roth decided to deviate from the source material which was more of a crime procedural. Instead they focused on the relationship between Mollie and Ernest Burkhart; and the devious Uncle (DeNiro). I plan on reading the book and also reading "A Pipe for February" written by a member of the Osage Nation. “A Pipe for February is an extraordinary novel: evocative, riveting, moving. Charles Red Corn illuminates what the Osage people went through during the 1920s, when oil profits had made them fabulously wealthy and when they began to die under mysterious circumstances—systematically targeted for their money. This novel, exquisitely written and filled with revelations, will hold you in its grip and never let you go.”—David Grann, author of New York Times Best Seller Killers of the Flower Moon At the turn of the twentieth century, the Osage Indians owned Oklahoma’s most valuable oil reserves and became members of the world’s first wealthy oil population. Osage children and grandchildren continued to respect the old customs and ways, but now they also had lives of leisure: purchasing large homes, expensive cars, eating in fancy restaurants, and traveling to faraway places. In the 1920s, they also found themselves immersed in a series of murders. Charles H. Red Corn sets A Pipe for February against this turbulent, exhilarating background. Tracing the experiences of John Grayeagle, the story’s main character, Red Corn describes the Osage murders from the perspective of a traditional Osage. Other books on the notorious crimes have focused on the greed of government officials and businessmen to increase their oil wealth. Red Corn focuses on the character of the Osage people, drawing on his own experiences and insights as a member of the Osage Nation.
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 23, 2023 14:03:00 GMT -8
Thank you both!
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 23, 2023 14:11:33 GMT -8
Thought about catching it yesterday but the 3 1/2 hour run time caused me rethink that idea. Looking forward to it though. did it FEEL too long? Great film in my opinion. Didn't feel too long at all, but my legs were a little stiff after sitting that long. Scorsese, DiCaprio, and Eric Roth decided to deviate from the source material which was more of a crime procedural. Instead they focused on the relationship between Mollie and Ernest Burkhart; and the devious Uncle (DeNiro). I plan on reading the book and also reading "A Pipe for February" written by a member of the Osage Nation. “A Pipe for February is an extraordinary novel: evocative, riveting, moving. Charles Red Corn illuminates what the Osage people went through during the 1920s, when oil profits had made them fabulously wealthy and when they began to die under mysterious circumstances—systematically targeted for their money. This novel, exquisitely written and filled with revelations, will hold you in its grip and never let you go.”—David Grann, author of New York Times Best Seller Killers of the Flower Moon At the turn of the twentieth century, the Osage Indians owned Oklahoma’s most valuable oil reserves and became members of the world’s first wealthy oil population. Osage children and grandchildren continued to respect the old customs and ways, but now they also had lives of leisure: purchasing large homes, expensive cars, eating in fancy restaurants, and traveling to faraway places. In the 1920s, they also found themselves immersed in a series of murders. Charles H. Red Corn sets A Pipe for February against this turbulent, exhilarating background. Tracing the experiences of John Grayeagle, the story’s main character, Red Corn describes the Osage murders from the perspective of a traditional Osage. Other books on the notorious crimes have focused on the greed of government officials and businessmen to increase their oil wealth. Red Corn focuses on the character of the Osage people, drawing on his own experiences and insights as a member of the Osage Nation. Dang, I had no interest in this previously, but now I'm going to watch it.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 23, 2023 14:16:08 GMT -8
Great film in my opinion. Didn't feel too long at all, but my legs were a little stiff after sitting that long. Scorsese, DiCaprio, and Eric Roth decided to deviate from the source material which was more of a crime procedural. Instead they focused on the relationship between Mollie and Ernest Burkhart; and the devious Uncle (DeNiro). I plan on reading the book and also reading "A Pipe for February" written by a member of the Osage Nation. “A Pipe for February is an extraordinary novel: evocative, riveting, moving. Charles Red Corn illuminates what the Osage people went through during the 1920s, when oil profits had made them fabulously wealthy and when they began to die under mysterious circumstances—systematically targeted for their money. This novel, exquisitely written and filled with revelations, will hold you in its grip and never let you go.”—David Grann, author of New York Times Best Seller Killers of the Flower Moon At the turn of the twentieth century, the Osage Indians owned Oklahoma’s most valuable oil reserves and became members of the world’s first wealthy oil population. Osage children and grandchildren continued to respect the old customs and ways, but now they also had lives of leisure: purchasing large homes, expensive cars, eating in fancy restaurants, and traveling to faraway places. In the 1920s, they also found themselves immersed in a series of murders. Charles H. Red Corn sets A Pipe for February against this turbulent, exhilarating background. Tracing the experiences of John Grayeagle, the story’s main character, Red Corn describes the Osage murders from the perspective of a traditional Osage. Other books on the notorious crimes have focused on the greed of government officials and businessmen to increase their oil wealth. Red Corn focuses on the character of the Osage people, drawing on his own experiences and insights as a member of the Osage Nation. Dang, I had no interest in this previously, but now I'm going to watch it. I went into it completely blind, knowing nothing about the tragic history. All I knew was Scorsese + DiCaprio + DeNiro is a for sure watch for me.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 23, 2023 14:29:44 GMT -8
Still working my way through this. One line jumped out at me as something new and of interest: Pg 14 line 5 "Moreover, preliminary discovery has confirmed that the departing schools coordinated with the Conference on which arguments the Conference should make in opposing the Plantiffs' application for a TRO." So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Given a fair hearing, our case looks even stronger now than it did going into the TRO hearing. The quantity and quality of evidence, and directly pertinent precedential rulings, which bolster our side of the argument, woven into this oppositon brief will be difficult to impossible for the dearly departed to counter. The groundwork to effectively dismiss the joinder and jurisdiction issue also says we are on solid legal ground with case law on our side.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2023 14:36:34 GMT -8
So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Given a fair hearing, our case looks even stronger now than it did going into the TRO hearing. The quantity and quality of evidence, and directly pertinent precedential rulings, which bolster our side of the argument, woven into this oppositon brief will be difficult to impossible for the dearly departed to counter. The groundwork to effectively dismiss the joinder and jurisdiction issue also says we are on solid legal ground with case law on our side. And... that never goes sideways! LOL... only can hope it does not.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 23, 2023 14:56:38 GMT -8
Given a fair hearing, our case looks even stronger now than it did going into the TRO hearing. The quantity and quality of evidence, and directly pertinent precedential rulings, which bolster our side of the argument, woven into this oppositon brief will be difficult to impossible for the dearly departed to counter. The groundwork to effectively dismiss the joinder and jurisdiction issue also says we are on solid legal ground with case law on our side. And... that never goes sideways! LOL... only can hope it does not. Well you got a point, I mean what's a good legal battle without some plot twists and turns. But I like the cards we have versus theirs.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 23, 2023 14:59:28 GMT -8
So the "conference" was actually colluding with essentially nonmembers to thwart actual members?? Seems par for the course in how the Pac12 has been run... JHC this better end well. Feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guys "win" despite it being completely against what is legal and right. PS- if that kind of crap bothers you, do not watch the new flick "Killers of the Flower Moon" based on the book by David Grann. Great acting, but another horrible saga in our history that completely underplays extent of Osage murders. Read the book first if you intend to go. Given a fair hearing, our case looks even stronger now than it did going into the TRO hearing. The quantity and quality of evidence, and directly pertinent precedential rulings, which bolster our side of the argument, woven into this oppositon brief will be difficult to impossible for the dearly departed to counter. The groundwork to effectively dismiss the joinder and jurisdiction issue also says we are on solid legal ground with case law on our side. I feel like we have a decent shot of this as long as it stays within the legal system. If there is some sort of ruling requiring binding arbitration, I will be extremely worried indeed.
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