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Post by jimbeav on Oct 15, 2023 18:48:16 GMT -8
Interesting development (or more accurately, a tantrum), that's relevant to the idea of broadcasting games exclusively on streaming services like Apple+ (or in this case, Peacock). www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/10/141653/ohio-senator-plans-to-introduce-legislation-to-ban-streaming-exclusive-ohio-state-football-gamesNo way anything comes of this, but as much as many of us here believe that streaming is the future, there is going to be violent pushback from the old guard every step of the way. It could even be argued that the option of streaming, coupled with the closed minds that are dead set against it, was the ultimate downfall of the Pac-12. My hypothesis: If streaming wasn't an option, and our only options lie with the networks, the Pac-10 would have found a way to get a deal done. But the existence of that option gave us false hope, enabled unwise bravado in our negotiations, and when it was our only option left, it gave an excuse for shortsighted chicken littles to bail out and destroy everything in their wake.
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Oct 15, 2023 19:37:04 GMT -8
Yeah until streaming services perhaps becomes more of a thing in the future folks are going to throw a tantrum that they can't watch their team play unless they pay money to subscribe to this Peacock for one game on the schedule where the rest of the games are still on traditional broadcast/cable TV ...
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Post by irimi on Oct 15, 2023 19:56:17 GMT -8
Yeah until streaming services perhaps becomes more of a thing in the future folks are going to throw a tantrum that they can't watch their team play unless they pay money to subscribe to this Peacock for one game on the schedule where the rest of the games are still on traditional broadcast/cable TV ... Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for?
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Oct 15, 2023 21:02:13 GMT -8
Yeah until streaming services perhaps becomes more of a thing in the future folks are going to throw a tantrum that they can't watch their team play unless they pay money to subscribe to this Peacock for one game on the schedule where the rest of the games are still on traditional broadcast/cable TV ... Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for? The Pac 12 network if you don't have it you can just call in to Comcast or your local cable provider to add it to your bundle (or not because this is one reason we are in this whole predicament because the Pac 12 network was notoriously hard to find nationwide) ... whereas streaming services require you to have a television set that can accept them which me and other old "fuddie-duddies" don't have right now and aren't ready to set up for especially for just one game a season.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 15, 2023 21:55:30 GMT -8
Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for? The Pac 12 network if you don't have it you can just call in to Comcast or your local cable provider to add it to your bundle (or not because this is one reason we are in this whole predicament because the Pac 12 network was notoriously hard to find nationwide) ... whereas streaming services require you to have a television set that can accept them which me and other old "fuddie-duddies" don't have right now and aren't ready to set up for especially for just one game a season. Are you still watching a tube TV? What kind of internet connection do you have? If you are on this message board, you're using a computer, or a device, unless you are on old fashioned dial-up 56k service, you can get streaming with just about any internet service. To get the Pac 12 channel on Comcast, we couldn't do it with the basic cable bundle. I believe we had to get to a more inclusive bundle, which cost more, then add an additional sports tier to get the Pac-12 stations, whichcost more yet. We also had to commit to a service package for a year or two I believe. Now that was basically a decade ago, and "maybe" they throw more in these days. We scrapped Comcast when they told us our service was going up another 35-40 bucks a couple years ago. Now we just do internet and FUBO and save a hundred a month or so over our old Comcast bill. If we want to turn on Peacock or any other streaming network it takes about 3-4 minutes on the computer and for a few bucks we can turn it on for a month (if they don't have a free trial). Add in, we can get it on any device or computer we own, anywhere we can get an internet wifi connection. We put out a 1 time few bucks for a firestick, and now we can plug it into any TV with an hdmi port and UHD or better resolution and voila, any streaming channel we subscribe to is now available. When we finish our van build and start traveling, we'll probably get Starlink, which would bring our monthly bill back in the price range of Vomcast (typo, but appropriate since we almost vomit every time we think how long we were overpaying for TV service). At that point, as long as we can see the sky we'll get it pretty much anywhere in North America. We're in our mid-60s, took us til a couple years back to really realize the benefits of streaming. More and more are figuring it out all the time. Also, Cable is not a guarantee. Spectrum, one of the nation's largest providers, didn't even carry ESPN for a while this season. That kept a LOT of its customers from watching games. Sorry for the rant, but people switching from cable to streaming will probably be like the switch from suspenders to belts. It'll still exist, there will be a few Larry King types and others with a certain fashion sense using it, but streaming's gonna win and cable could go the way of the wishbone offense.
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Post by fishwrapper on Oct 15, 2023 22:22:34 GMT -8
If you can post on this board you have the equipment for watching a streaming service. Get over it - we are long past the age of three networks and rabbit ears.
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Post by irimi on Oct 16, 2023 4:26:21 GMT -8
Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for? The Pac 12 network if you don't have it you can just call in to Comcast or your local cable provider to add it to your bundle (or not because this is one reason we are in this whole predicament because the Pac 12 network was notoriously hard to find nationwide) ... whereas streaming services require you to have a television set that can accept them which me and other old "fuddie-duddies" don't have right now and aren't ready to set up for especially for just one game a season. But my point wasn’t how to get Pac 12 Network. It was why bother? A lot of Pac 12 games are being broadcast on other channels. So whose to say that several matchups each week wouldn’t end up on ABC, FOX, ESPN anyway? Of course if the Pac is made up of Wyoming and San Jose State, all of our games will end up there.
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Post by jbjam on Oct 16, 2023 4:32:18 GMT -8
The unfortunate reality is the golden age of cable had hundreds of millions paying monthly fees for channels that had hourly time slots they HAD to fill. Next add regional markets with great revenues due to local advert slots. Those days are gone.
Netflix doesn’t HAVE to fill their Friday 6-9PM time slot with brand new programming… or new content every Saturday. The millions not watching football subsidized the current rates (and ad money for eyeballs that’s also moving to YouTube, instagram, etc). They’re going to fall across the board. Now streaming could be onto something if they’re packages for specific conferences and can hit subscriber numbers. Long term is wager that’s where everyone has to go. It’ll be less money (potentially) but it’ll be more than the shrinking cable giants… unless one or two become the Netflix for sports and have a selective curated content creating more haves and have nots.
My source - I’m an executive at a production company. No idea why they hire George. Anyone saw this and could have negotiated better.
Also add Disney is suffering. NBCU is suffering. The deep pockets are pulling back, lowering bids across the board.
imo the long term solution and goal should be to pull schools that have a large fan base that’ll pay for a subscription. Or be the first to anchor sports for apple, etc. UO, UW, Stanford etc are very foolish long term imo w/ those added travel costs.
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Post by sparty on Oct 16, 2023 5:46:52 GMT -8
If you can post on this board you have the equipment for watching a streaming service. Get over it - we are long past the age of three networks and rabbit ears. Tell that to Trailblazers who should have streaming.
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 16, 2023 6:05:08 GMT -8
If you can post on this board you have the equipment for watching a streaming service. Get over it - we are long past the age of three networks and rabbit ears. Tell that to Trailblazers who should have streaming.
Not sure I would use the Blazers as justification for sticking with cable. They are on a sinking ship, total viewer wise, and well, there is the geography. The marriage between cable and the Blazers is apropos.
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Post by fishwrapper on Oct 16, 2023 6:27:08 GMT -8
If you can post on this board you have the equipment for watching a streaming service. Get over it - we are long past the age of three networks and rabbit ears. Tell that to Trailblazers who should have streaming.
Bitching about the Blazers media access here won't make a difference. Tell them directly. (Probably won't make a difference, either, but you might feel more satisfied.)Meanwhile, that kinda proves the point that we're long past the age of three networks and rabbit ears. Think about it: how much is available to you today compared to even only 30 years ago? And most of all that is new is, and has been, à la carte - since the introduction of ESPN in '79. ESPN was never free, nor will be that which replaces it... And the reality is that viewers are moving from "traditional" delivery via cable and satellite...just as they moved from over-the-air to cable back in the day. Comcast dropped 614,000 video (television) subscribers nationally in Q1 this year, while YouTubeTV gained about half that. The so-called cord-cutters are the market that is growing, and so media companies are going to continue growing the product offerings in that sector - witness the commitment by Peacock (Comcast/Universal) two years ago to spend over $2.5B for Premier League soccer through 2028 - the vast majority of those games are not on "TV." Which suggests to me just how fudged up the breakup of the PacX really was - the GOR with Apple would have been the future (streaming), while others decided to cling to the past (broadcast/cable). I'm not saying I like it, per se. It does cost more to get what you want these days - you need to subscribe here for one thing, there for another, and it adds up. Consumers (viewers) have more choices than ever before, and there is a metric sh!t tonne of chaff for every kernel of wheat you have to sift through - and pay for - to get what you want. It takes more work to find and enjoy what you're looking for. And, let's face it: it was nice when so much less was fed to us on the big three. We didn't have to think about it or open our wallets the same way. Now? Every game is a TV game...I remember when those events were extra-special.
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Post by fishwrapper on Oct 16, 2023 6:30:32 GMT -8
Shorter version: capitalism, baby!
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 16, 2023 7:17:04 GMT -8
Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for? The Pac 12 network if you don't have it you can just call in to Comcast or your local cable provider to add it to your bundle (or not because this is one reason we are in this whole predicament because the Pac 12 network was notoriously hard to find nationwide) ... whereas streaming services require you to have a television set that can accept them which me and other old "fuddie-duddies" don't have right now and aren't ready to set up for especially for just one game a season. You need a TV made in the last 15 years, probably even further back. If you TV has an HDMI port, you are fine. My now very old Vizio flat panel TV, which is now my kid's TV is from 2007? I think? It has a chromecast on it. Amazon and google practically give away their streaming devices. You can get a fire stick for pennies on Prime days, or a Chromecast for the same on black friday
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 16, 2023 7:21:30 GMT -8
Shorter version: capitalism, baby! Just like how in a few states, car companies made it illegal to buy a car (ahem, a tesla) over the internet. Or the larger picture of any company lobbying congress to pass laws that protect their business. Streaming is the future and a major threat to networks. they are doing everything they can to hold on, and their top priority is to monopolize sports. Sports is basically the only reason anybody maintains cable subscriptions these days.
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Post by oldbeav on Oct 16, 2023 7:46:48 GMT -8
Yeah until streaming services perhaps becomes more of a thing in the future folks are going to throw a tantrum that they can't watch their team play unless they pay money to subscribe to this Peacock for one game on the schedule where the rest of the games are still on traditional broadcast/cable TV ... Well, do you have a subscription to Pac 12 Network? The Beavs have been on that network once this season. What are you paying for? There are a lot more sports than football that are carried on PAC-12 Network, which is one of the reasons we are with Dish. We’ve had a Dish Tailgater for years to take on trips in the RV. Even used it in the parking lot at Goss to watch WBB before baseball games. Yes, we pay a wad but it’s been worth it. This may all change in the future but we’ll worry about that when it happens.
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