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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2023 19:28:39 GMT -8
It is why most professional leagues have salary caps and very heavy-handed regulation. Otherwise, it just becomes dull. Exactly. College athletics is the wild west right now. |
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Post by bdudbeaver on Oct 11, 2023 19:38:07 GMT -8
My favorite quote I heard or read in the last month was "College Football without tradition and rivalries is just mediocre football". My wife and I watch about one college game / week on TV, and one pro game / week on TV, and the pro athletes are just so much better; I say "that one play there, at 6:40 left in the 2nd quarter, if that happened in an OSU game, it would be on the "teletron" for years!". Too bad.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 12, 2023 7:23:09 GMT -8
If they ever go to this, there should be a relegation system so it's truly the best of the best and the weakest teams get demoted. That would be great, but I don't see it happening. If anything, the rich will get richer, and then there will be everyone else. It will be near impossible for the "have not" schools to climb out of relegation because any time they have a good coach, or good players, they will be lured away by the "haves" with big pay days. The Fiesta Bowl season would never have happened. No more Cinderella stories. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 12, 2023 7:58:33 GMT -8
FOX and ESPN don't want Cinderella stories. They want the big names, every year.
You're seeing it in baseball. FOX is crapping its pants now that the Dodgers are gone and the Braves are about to be. Nobody outside of Texas follows the Rangers and the Astros are pretty much universally despised. If Arizona wins FOX might have a stroke.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 12, 2023 8:39:19 GMT -8
FOX and ESPN don't want Cinderella stories. They want the big names, every year. You're seeing it in baseball. FOX is crapping its pants now that the Dodgers are gone and the Braves are about to be. Nobody outside of Texas follows the Rangers and the Astros are pretty much universally despised. If Arizona wins FOX might have a stroke. I understand what you're saying, I truly do. I wonder why this same ethos has not been applied to the NBA and NFL, where the league has made a very concerted effort to create parity. The 85 scholarship limit brought about an explosion in popularity of college football. This just seems like such a step backwards for the sport overall. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 12, 2023 8:39:51 GMT -8
That would be great, but I don't see it happening. If anything, the rich will get richer, and then there will be everyone else. It will be near impossible for the "have not" schools to climb out of relegation because any time they have a good coach, or good players, they will be lured away by the "haves" with big pay days. The Fiesta Bowl season would never have happened. No more Cinderella stories. It's all relative. If u talk to fans of teams like the ducks they are loving all this. They have an invite to the party, and they have the money to play. They will benefit greatly, and will likely scoop up guys from programs like Alabama, and Georgia who get buried behind super studs. If we re-engineer the Pac with MW teams, we will not be competing for the same athletes that we are now.......if/when Smith gets poached, all bets are off. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 12, 2023 8:43:41 GMT -8
The Fiesta Bowl season would never have happened. No more Cinderella stories. It's all relative. If u talk to fans of teams like the ducks they are loving all this. They have an invite to the party, and they have the money to play. They will benefit greatly, and will likely scoop up guys from programs like Alabama, and Georgia who get buried behind super studs. If we re-engineer the Pac with MW teams, we will not be competing for the same athletes that we are now.......if/when Smith gets poached, all bets are off. I think they are loving it now, because they have HUGE dreams... but I think a few years of never sniffing a title in a row and getting shafted in big games back east will change their collective mind. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 12, 2023 8:47:57 GMT -8
FOX and ESPN don't want Cinderella stories. They want the big names, every year. You're seeing it in baseball. FOX is crapping its pants now that the Dodgers are gone and the Braves are about to be. Nobody outside of Texas follows the Rangers and the Astros are pretty much universally despised. If Arizona wins FOX might have a stroke. I understand what you're saying, I truly do. I wonder why this same ethos has not been applied to the NBA and NFL, where the league has made a very concerted effort to create parity. The 85 scholarship limit brought about an explosion in popularity of college football. This just seems like such a step backwards for the sport overall. There's an argument to be made to have more parity in college ball for sure. Look at the eyes on tv sets for OSU this season......there's zero argument to say OSU doesn't get eyes on TV's. I hope what the TV execs and the blue bloods are trying to do fails miserably....... unfortunately, people will still line up in droves if their schools are in the party.....so the money keeps flowing...... likely we will just have to accept that we part of the MW, and will at some point, not be in competition for the college football playoff. I hate to be a Debbie downer, but this just seems like what's on the horizon for us......I guess I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 12, 2023 10:19:22 GMT -8
FOX and ESPN don't want Cinderella stories. They want the big names, every year. You're seeing it in baseball. FOX is crapping its pants now that the Dodgers are gone and the Braves are about to be. Nobody outside of Texas follows the Rangers and the Astros are pretty much universally despised. If Arizona wins FOX might have a stroke. Network executives will ALWAYS choose the path of most profit at the least risk. Every single time. They don't want to be new, they don't want to innovate, they want the choice that makes them the most money for the least effort. Every single school that is not in the top about 30 schools in the nation needs to be looking over their shoulders. If TV got it's way it would be two 15 or 16 team conferences like a mini-NFL. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 12, 2023 11:21:04 GMT -8
FOX and ESPN don't want Cinderella stories. They want the big names, every year. You're seeing it in baseball. FOX is crapping its pants now that the Dodgers are gone and the Braves are about to be. Nobody outside of Texas follows the Rangers and the Astros are pretty much universally despised. If Arizona wins FOX might have a stroke. I understand what you're saying, I truly do. I wonder why this same ethos has not been applied to the NBA and NFL, where the league has made a very concerted effort to create parity. The 85 scholarship limit brought about an explosion in popularity of college football. This just seems like such a step backwards for the sport overall. The NFL wants parity because it keeps more team's fanbases interested as the season goes on. But it only wants parity to an extent. But trust me, the NFL does not want a Detroit-Carolina Super Bowl. And with football, it's a one-game championship. So who is playing is less important than the World Series, which stretches out over a week of ratings. I don't pay one iota of attention to the NBA, so I won't comment on that league. |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 12, 2023 13:37:12 GMT -8
I understand what you're saying, I truly do. I wonder why this same ethos has not been applied to the NBA and NFL, where the league has made a very concerted effort to create parity. The 85 scholarship limit brought about an explosion in popularity of college football. This just seems like such a step backwards for the sport overall. The NFL wants parity because it keeps more team's fanbases interested as the season goes on. But it only wants parity to an extent. But trust me, the NFL does not want a Detroit-Carolina Super Bowl. And with football, it's a one-game championship. So who is playing is less important than the World Series, which stretches out over a week of ratings. I don't pay one iota of attention to the NBA, so I won't comment on that league. Well, according to rgeorge, the NBA doesn't have parity because the Celtics and Lakers won most of the championships back in the 1950s and 1960s.  |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 13, 2023 10:16:43 GMT -8
The NFL wants parity because it keeps more team's fanbases interested as the season goes on. But it only wants parity to an extent. But trust me, the NFL does not want a Detroit-Carolina Super Bowl. And with football, it's a one-game championship. So who is playing is less important than the World Series, which stretches out over a week of ratings. I don't pay one iota of attention to the NBA, so I won't comment on that league. Well, according to rgeorge, the NBA doesn't have parity because the Celtics and Lakers won most of the championships back in the 1950s and 1960s. It's messy because in basketball there is a certain level of parity that is manufactured, but superstar basketball players have advantages when playing in certain media markets (e.g. LeBron James moving to play for the Lakers) in a way that NFL players do not. I have a strong hunch that it's because basketball players are so much more recognizable without the helmets and pads, and that gives them another layer of marketability. There are always going to be geographic advantages and outside influences. That's why it's so important to create a baseline of parity, or else the sport becomes brutally painfully predictable, instead of having this "anything can happen so you have GOT to watch" theme that runs through college football currently. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 13, 2023 11:21:49 GMT -8
I think the networks want the top 30-40 teams, but they want a Cinderella story every year because it draws in fans of all the other teams who don't make it, thinking there's a chance. They know if they can get Alabama or Georgia in the title game, they are guaranteed X number of people watching. The problem is if you eliminate all the other teams down to, say, the top 30, you end up having a ceiling of X vs a floor of X. They need some non-dominant teams who can be wiping mats for the others. That's why I don't think they'll ever get rid of every "bad" team in the B1G. The question is how few teams can they get to, in order to reduce the payouts while still maintaining an acceptable volume of users.
For anyone thinking the TV numbers will crash and burn w/o rivalries, let me tell you how it will go. The next two years ratings will go through the roof because of the new-ness of it all. You don't think UO will have a packed stadium for the little osu from back East? After about two years, when the dust has settled, somebody is going to be sitting out in the cold. Every one of the big boys will be hoisting around hundred million dollar+ budgets and the bad schools will just get worse. That's when you might see some disinterest.
I'm not a big Apple fan at all, but I do wonder if their approach is a better approach for a larger number of schools. Get subscriptions, not eyeballs. You just need to catch their interest enough once to get them to purchase. No more worrying about whether Georgia vs UMass (as a hypothetical) will draw enough viewers. You don't care. And again, why relegation MAY work - you have people paying for the season-long "experience" of relegation, not hoping for individual games to be blockbusters.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 13, 2023 11:52:07 GMT -8
How it will go... AD officials, hence the school admin/boards, for many will be very happy with the increased revenue and ability to spend more $ (most likely unwisely on huge coaching $ Admin salaries). But, also have to balance the effects of increased travel on budgets and athletes with the growing discontent of fan bases as their over hyped expectations of glory are dashed. The CFP being expanded will allow for some additional funds and salving of fan bases, but the same culprits will still be the ones in control of most of the money and CFP picks.
Eventually disgruntled fan bases will see that this money grab was not in the best interest of their favorite teams athletic success, but fool's gold to become fodder for big media and the same teams that draw the most fans. And, really it will not be much different than the past playoffs... let's placate the masses while enriching those already "wealthy".
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 13, 2023 12:36:32 GMT -8
How it will go... AD officials, hence the school admin/boards, for many will be very happy with the increased revenue and ability to spend more $ (most likely unwisely on huge coaching $ Admin salaries). But, also have to balance the effects of increased travel on budgets and athletes with the growing discontent of fan bases as their over hyped expectations of glory are dashed. The CFP being expanded will allow for some additional funds and salving of fan bases, but the same culprits will still be the ones in control of most of the money and CFP picks. Eventually disgruntled fan bases will see that this money grab was not in the best interest of their favorite teams athletic success, but fool's gold to become fodder for big media and the same teams that draw the most fans. And, really it will not be much different than the past playoffs... let's placate the masses while enriching those already "wealthy". The CFP is probably trending to become more like the Super Bowl. Very few average joe fans. All corporate tickets and the wealthy who have little interest in either team. It's more about being at the event and less about being a fan of one of the teams. |
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