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Post by sparty on Oct 2, 2023 18:19:44 GMT -8
Western Conference/MWC blend
.......Oregon State and Washington State should partner with Mountain West Conference schools for football, but align with West Coast Conference schools for most other sports........
......In their public statements, OSU President Jayathi Murthy and Barnes have stressed the importance of regionality in athletics. Aligning with the Mountain West in some form for football while partnering with the WCC for other sports might be the best way to build these new regional rivalries.
Hell no, hell no, hell no!
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Oct 2, 2023 19:20:59 GMT -8
I agree it would suck, but I also think it could work as a Last resort better than a 2-year scheduling affiliation exclusively with the MWC in all sports.
If OSU and WSU must keep a PAC-2 for next season, the most practical scheduling solution is likely a scheduling agreement with other conferences. The best way to do that might be for the P2 to make the scheduling agreements separately for each sport. For example, P2 baseball might be able to do scheduling with the Big West or WCC, or even a combination of both before playing a best of 7 series for the P2 title. MBB and WBB would likely choose between MWC and WCC.
Please don’t take this as arguing for it, cause it would suck. But it might suck less for sports like baseball than going all sports with the MWC.
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Post by p8nted on Oct 5, 2023 19:46:28 GMT -8
I agree it would suck, but I also think it could work as a Last resort better than a 2-year scheduling affiliation exclusively with the MWC in all sports. If OSU and WSU must keep a PAC-2 for next season, the most practical scheduling solution is likely a scheduling agreement with other conferences. The best way to do that might be for the P2 to make the scheduling agreements separately for each sport. For example, P2 baseball might be able to do scheduling with the Big West or WCC, or even a combination of both before playing a best of 7 series for the P2 title. MBB and WBB would likely choose between MWC and WCC. Please don’t take this as arguing for it, cause it would suck. But it might suck less for sports like baseball than going all sports with the MWC. Just a thought. Why would these conferences totally disrupt their league schedule and OOC partnerships with other schools to accommodate OSU and WSU on a short term agreement? I see little incentive for them to do that? IF buyouts are involved they will have to spend some serious cash. If agreement are short term will they demand payments to visit like an OOC game? I would in their shoes. Anyway the WCC is a collection of small private schools. WSU and OSU don't fit their profile.
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 6, 2023 6:53:33 GMT -8
They'd do it for money. We already pay schools to come play at Gill and Reser. Doing it as a conference is just "buying in bulk".
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 6, 2023 7:44:08 GMT -8
Other schools have little incentive to buy out games, even if we pay them to do it. Most schools have their OOC games already set, and set on the front end of a 13 week season, and for OSU to get a full slate of games we’d have to expect teams to basically give up mid-season and late-season bye weeks. It’s not so easy as saying it’d be easy to find 8 schools willing to let us buy out a game, we have to do it on specific weekends over the course of the entire season. Add to that, we’d probably be messing with league schedules at the same time, that’s asking a lot. The longer it takes to get started on this scheduling, the more difficult this is going to be. I’m just talking football, we’d be looking at a full docket of sports. It would not be as easy as some people think.
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Post by p8nted on Oct 6, 2023 15:32:59 GMT -8
Other schools have little incentive to buy out games, even if we pay them to do it. Most schools have their OOC games already set, and set on the front end of a 13 week season, and for OSU to get a full slate of games we’d have to expect teams to basically give up mid-season and late-season bye weeks. It’s not so easy as saying it’d be easy to find 8 schools willing to let us buy out a game, we have to do it on specific weekends over the course of the entire season. Add to that, we’d probably be messing with league schedules at the same time, that’s asking a lot. The longer it takes to get started on this scheduling, the more difficult this is going to be. I’m just talking football, we’d be looking at a full docket of sports. It would not be as easy as some people think. Yep. Dear MWC, can you totally redo your conference Football schedules? Also, can you buy out some OOC games, pissing off a few schools as this is really late, just to accommodate us? Oh, that includes all sports. Do we have to pay for that? By the way, we may not merge so please give up any leverage you have and make it easier to poach a few schools in the near future? Please?
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Post by bill82 on Oct 6, 2023 15:50:51 GMT -8
If we've learned anything these past few months the best strategy is to tell others what they want to hear, and then stab them in the back under the name of "doing what's best for (insert school)."
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Post by grayman on Oct 6, 2023 15:58:06 GMT -8
Other schools have little incentive to buy out games, even if we pay them to do it. Most schools have their OOC games already set, and set on the front end of a 13 week season, and for OSU to get a full slate of games we’d have to expect teams to basically give up mid-season and late-season bye weeks. It’s not so easy as saying it’d be easy to find 8 schools willing to let us buy out a game, we have to do it on specific weekends over the course of the entire season. Add to that, we’d probably be messing with league schedules at the same time, that’s asking a lot. The longer it takes to get started on this scheduling, the more difficult this is going to be. I’m just talking football, we’d be looking at a full docket of sports. It would not be as easy as some people think. Yep. Dear MWC, can you totally redo your conference Football schedules? Also, can you buy out some OOC games, pissing off a few schools as this is really late, just to accommodate us? Oh, that includes all sports. Do we have to pay for that? By the way, we may not merge so please give up any leverage you have and make it easier to poach a few schools in the near future? Please? They haven't finalized the 2024 football schedules yet. All they have set is the team rotation. And what would the MWC do if it agreed to a reverse merger with the Pac-2? That's right, add the two schools to the sports schedules. Buying out OOC games is something you keep bringing up but isn't necessarily something that would be done.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 6, 2023 17:51:17 GMT -8
Yep. Dear MWC, can you totally redo your conference Football schedules? Also, can you buy out some OOC games, pissing off a few schools as this is really late, just to accommodate us? Oh, that includes all sports. Do we have to pay for that? By the way, we may not merge so please give up any leverage you have and make it easier to poach a few schools in the near future? Please? They haven't finalized the 2024 football schedules yet. All they have set is the team rotation. And what would the MWC do if it agreed to a reverse merger with the Pac-2? That's right, add the two schools to the sports schedules. Buying out OOC games is something you keep bringing up but isn't necessarily something that would be done. The MWC currently plays 8/4 with 12 teams. A merger the 2st year or two wouldn't have to change that. Merged it's 14 teams, the MWC teams could keep their 4 NC and still schedule 8 league games. OSU/WSU could easily pick up a 4th NC game/home revenue. Especially if any of the MWC teams have an open game as it could be scheduled as NC that season. No buyouts needed.
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Post by p8nted on Oct 6, 2023 18:43:44 GMT -8
Yep. Dear MWC, can you totally redo your conference Football schedules? Also, can you buy out some OOC games, pissing off a few schools as this is really late, just to accommodate us? Oh, that includes all sports. Do we have to pay for that? By the way, we may not merge so please give up any leverage you have and make it easier to poach a few schools in the near future? Please? They haven't finalized the 2024 football schedules yet. All they have set is the team rotation. And what would the MWC do if it agreed to a reverse merger with the Pac-2? That's right, add the two schools to the sports schedules. Buying out OOC games is something you keep bringing up but isn't necessarily something that would be done. In a reverse merger there is no problem I agree. Trying to stay the PAC 2 and get a scheduling agreement with the MWC while hoping to rebuild the PAC without all the MWC is
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Post by matt90 on Oct 6, 2023 19:11:15 GMT -8
Consider that we will have two games to "market" to ANY non-conference opponents if we have to schedule as a two team conference.
Say Minnesota is playing Miss. St.. We can offer them an incentive to kill that game and play OSU and WSU instead. I think that we would have the funds available to put together a rather nice schedule that could entice viewers from around the country. We would need to get the buy in of some network other than our own to pull that off though.
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 6, 2023 20:00:43 GMT -8
Say Minnesota is playing Miss. St.. We can offer them an incentive to kill that game and play OSU and WSU instead. I think that we would have the funds available to put together a rather nice schedule that could entice viewers from around the country. Well done. I was thinking about the scheduling problem today and your idea beats any idea I came up with.
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 6, 2023 20:22:33 GMT -8
Western Conference/MWC blend
.......Oregon State and Washington State should partner with Mountain West Conference schools for football, but align with West Coast Conference schools for most other sports........
......In their public statements, OSU President Jayathi Murthy and Barnes have stressed the importance of regionality in athletics. Aligning with the Mountain West in some form for football while partnering with the WCC for other sports might be the best way to build these new regional rivalries.
Hell no, hell no, hell no!
First, Oregon State and Washington State do not want to reverse merger with the Mountain West Conf. Nor do we want to just join the MWC. Doing either of those would basically turn OSU and WSU into G5 schools, losing our P5 status. However, poaching the MWC for the 6 best schools or the relegation and promotion concept has potential. The benefit of relegation and promotion is that it helps ensure OSU and WSU play the best MWC every year and skip the many of the MWC's weaker programs. Keep in mind that relegation and promotion only applies to football. The other sports would be completely decoupled from how football is relegated and promoted. By the way, I share the view of a few others on this forum that is we're able to pull some of the MWC's best programs away from the rest of the conference (poach 6 schools), then we should see an improvement in the quality of those programs over time. They'll get better because of having the PAC-X conference affiliation and a better TV contract (maybe $10M to $15M). After all, remember how Utah got better when they joined the PAC-12. Finally, the Gazette-Time author wrote this: >> The other advantage is in recruiting. California is by far the most important recruiting area for Oregon State. A partnership with the Mountain West would bring new rivalries against three California schools — San Jose State, Fresno State and San Diego State. I agree with the author of the article on this. If we can get those 3 California schools on our football schedule every year, then that would help with recruiting California.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 6, 2023 22:36:20 GMT -8
Western Conference/MWC blend
.......Oregon State and Washington State should partner with Mountain West Conference schools for football, but align with West Coast Conference schools for most other sports........
......In their public statements, OSU President Jayathi Murthy and Barnes have stressed the importance of regionality in athletics. Aligning with the Mountain West in some form for football while partnering with the WCC for other sports might be the best way to build these new regional rivalries.
Hell no, hell no, hell no!
First, Oregon State and Washington State do not want to reverse merger with the Mountain West Conf. Nor do we want to just join the MWC. Doing either of those would basically turn OSU and WSU into G5 schools, losing our P5 status. However, poaching the MWC for the 6 best schools or the relegation and promotion concept has potential. The benefit of relegation and promotion is that it helps ensure OSU and WSU play the best MWC every year and skip the many of the MWC's weaker programs. Keep in mind that relegation and promotion only applies to football. The other sports would be completely decoupled from how football is relegated and promoted. By the way, I share the view of a few others on this forum that is we're able to pull some of the MWC's best programs away from the rest of the conference (poach 6 schools), then we should see an improvement in the quality of those programs over time. They'll get better because of having the PAC-X conference affiliation and a better TV contract (maybe $10M to $15M). After all, remember how Utah got better when they joined the PAC-12. Finally, the Gazette-Time author wrote this: >> The other advantage is in recruiting. California is by far the most important recruiting area for Oregon State. A partnership with the Mountain West would bring new rivalries against three California schools — San Jose State, Fresno State and San Diego State. I agree with the author of the article on this. If we can get those 3 California schools on our football schedule every year, then that would help with recruiting California. The relegation idea is very interesting. They likely would go to 8-9 teams each division/conference, which means bringing in 2-4 additional schools. Done right it could strengthen both divisions/conferences. I think a couple AAC teams or other G5 schools could be enticed if the money is right. The money thing is the snag, getting bumped down could be costly if schools don't plan ahead.
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Post by grayman on Oct 7, 2023 9:24:32 GMT -8
They haven't finalized the 2024 football schedules yet. All they have set is the team rotation. And what would the MWC do if it agreed to a reverse merger with the Pac-2? That's right, add the two schools to the sports schedules. Buying out OOC games is something you keep bringing up but isn't necessarily something that would be done. In a reverse merger there is no problem I agree. Trying to stay the PAC 2 and get a scheduling agreement with the MWC while hoping to rebuild the PAC without all the MWC is Yeah, I think the whole staying the Pac-2 thing would be way more about the possibility of joining a power conference in a year or two or for better positioning in forming a stronger new Pac with some schools from the MWC and others. I'm not saying it's going to happen or even really pushing the idea as a great option. But if OSU and WSU are in a position to do this, it's because litigation or the threat of litigation resulted in a big (probably very big) payday. Money opens up a lot of doors.
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