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Post by rgeorge on Jan 15, 2024 10:19:13 GMT -8
So a collective offers 300k to an 18 year old to play for university X. Since X isn't supposed to have anything to do with NIL how does the collective know who to give the money to? Recruiting is a pretty open book. Sites and social media give plenty of info on top recruits and who's interested. But, if a booster &/or NIL offers (remember any kid can say they were offered any amount) a player to sign it's a violation. Hence, the FSU violation. Booster and staff member offering inducements. Are there numerous violations? Yep. Just as there were before NIL with big donors. But, NIL amounts are exaggerated, the amounts, type, number. There will always be idiot big $ boosters that are wanting to have programs beholden to them. The NIL didn't change that. The cart before the horse did. NIL with no guidelines/enforcement just allowed "abusers" to have am easier avenue. My guess, there will be more FSU type violations. No one likes it... schools, NCAA, coaches... but, as of now there is no fix and a bunch of hype.
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Post by grayman on Jan 15, 2024 13:27:14 GMT -8
Yeah, I just don't see how schools can separate the two even with the access to recruiting info. Just because players have a certain rating or even play a position of need doesn't mean that the coaching staff would necessarily see them as a good fit for their team. I think this goes far beyond FSU.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 15, 2024 13:36:28 GMT -8
Yeah, I just don't see how schools can separate the two even with the access to recruiting info. Just because players have a certain rating or even play a position of need doesn't mean that the coaching staff would necessarily see them as a good fit for their team. I think this goes far beyond FSU. Well, the point is, supposed to be separate as coaches have to "sign" a player before NIL offers can be officially offered by a collective. So, if signed it's obviously a player the coach wants. But, family, friends can all be contacted. Hence all the rumors of "supposed" offers. None is official/real until a player is in the fold. And, then the rumored offer can be very different than what the public hears. That's the hype. The reported data by schools show 80% of legit NIL deals are merch not $. That the average deal is 4 figures. And, of course cheating goes on. It has since the game started... first "ringers"/fake names, now $. But, as with the rest of society, ya have to catch them. And, lying, shirking a deal to a jilted/pissed 18 y/o is a great way to get caught.
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Post by grayman on Jan 15, 2024 13:55:51 GMT -8
Yeah, I just don't see how schools can separate the two even with the access to recruiting info. Just because players have a certain rating or even play a position of need doesn't mean that the coaching staff would necessarily see them as a good fit for their team. I think this goes far beyond FSU. Well, the point is, supposed to be separate as coaches have to "sign" a player before NIL offers can be officially offered by a collective. So, if signed it's obviously a player the coach wants. But, family, friends can all be contacted. Hence all the rumors of "supposed" offers. None is official/real until a player is in the fold. And, then the rumored offer can be very different than what the public hears. That's the hype. The reported data by schools show 80% of legit NIL deals are merch not $. That the average deal is 4 figures. And, if course cheating goes on. It has since the game started... first "ringers"/fake names, now $. But, as with the rest of society, ya have to catch them. And, lying, shirking a deal to a jilted/pissed 18 y/o is a great way to get caught. Yeah, I just suspect that it's not actually working within the set rules in a lot of cases. So yeah, it's obviously going to be a player the coach wants. But how they arrived to that point as opposed to the player going to another school makes me doubt that most of this process is done completely within the rules particularly when it involves proven players or those regarded to have high upsides.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 15, 2024 14:20:26 GMT -8
Well, the point is, supposed to be separate as coaches have to "sign" a player before NIL offers can be officially offered by a collective. So, if signed it's obviously a player the coach wants. But, family, friends can all be contacted. Hence all the rumors of "supposed" offers. None is official/real until a player is in the fold. And, then the rumored offer can be very different than what the public hears. That's the hype. The reported data by schools show 80% of legit NIL deals are merch not $. That the average deal is 4 figures. And, if course cheating goes on. It has since the game started... first "ringers"/fake names, now $. But, as with the rest of society, ya have to catch them. And, lying, shirking a deal to a jilted/pissed 18 y/o is a great way to get caught. Yeah, I just suspect that it's not actually working within the set rules in a lot of cases. So yeah, it's obviously going to be a player the coach wants. But how they arrived to that point as opposed to the player going to another school makes me doubt that most of this process is done completely within the rules particularly when it involves proven players or those regarded to have high upsides. The weird aspect of all this is that what was supposed to help benefit student athletes is actually hurting the majority. The vast majority aren't getting deals or very minimal. While those same kids are integral to team success. But, more importantly, all the while it's just become another avenue to take advantage of student athletes. Wide spread reports of corrupt biz deals and contacts. Kids signing away future NIL income for years if they go pro, etc. It also seems that the original suit was due to big business (specifically EA Sports) making huge $ off student athletes... not schools. That the athletes had the right to earn for the use of their NIL in terms of huge entities profiting. But, it seems the universities are the ones suffering consequences. But, universities for the most part are not those entities fit the most part, and are already giving thousands in benefits to EVERY scholarship athlete... plus preferred walk ons. Any profit university ADs make is essentially from these giant media deals. Those media companies are the ones making the huge profits. Yet these same billion $ companies aren't responsible for NIL compensation. Though it is they who ultimately profit from the most from student athletes. At times it doesn't seem the initial ruling and what is happening now jibes?!
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Post by grayman on Jan 15, 2024 14:35:53 GMT -8
Yeah, I just suspect that it's not actually working within the set rules in a lot of cases. So yeah, it's obviously going to be a player the coach wants. But how they arrived to that point as opposed to the player going to another school makes me doubt that most of this process is done completely within the rules particularly when it involves proven players or those regarded to have high upsides. The weird aspect of all this is that what was supposed to help benefit student athletes is actually hurting the majority. The vast majority aren't getting deals or very minimal. While those same kids are integral to team success. But, more importantly, all the while it's just become another avenue to take advantage of student athletes. Wide spread reports of corrupt biz deals and contacts. Kids signing away future NIL income for years if they go pro, etc. It also seems that the original suit was due to big business (specifically EA Sports) making huge $ off student athletes... not schools. That the athletes had the right to earn for the use of their NIL in terms of huge entities profiting. But, it seems the universities are the ones suffering consequences. But, universities for the most part are not those entities fit the most part, and are already giving thousands in benefits to EVERY scholarship athlete... plus preferred walk ons. Any profit university ADs make is essentially from these giant media deals. Those media companies are the ones making the huge profits. Yet these same billion $ companies aren't responsible for NIL compensation. Though it is they who ultimately profit from the most from student athletes. At times it doesn't seem the initial ruling and what is happening now jibes?! Somehow that doesn't surprise me in the least.
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