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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 12:39:32 GMT -8
According to the Athletic.com, the deal Apple proposed had the opportunity for larger, depending on viewership. The five year $25 million deal was just the low bar. At 1.7 million subscribers, Apple would shell out $31.7 million per school per year. And at 5 million subscribers, it would jump above $50 million a year per school, something more in line with the SEC.
Between the 9 schools, wouldn't we have easily hit the 5 million subscribers? Especially when you throw in the bars and the restaurants that will want to show the Civil War or the Apple Cup.
What do you all think?
Going forward, though, if we are trying to rebuild the Pac, I doubt we can get such large numbers. I imagine our next media contract is going to be kinda weak if we aren't tagging along in another conference.
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 12:41:04 GMT -8
I see FTD already commented on this in another thread, but I can't delete the thread.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 7, 2023 12:58:13 GMT -8
I'd think the 1.7 would have been easy to reach, fast. The 5 million mark would be tough. The question for me is, was it set at just those levels or was there a sliding scale for in between those two points. If it were a sliding scale, I could see 2.5 or 3 million subcriptions being fairly easy to reach and would be reasonably well above the 32 million a team mark.
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 13:49:24 GMT -8
I'd think the 1.7 would have been easy to reach, fast. The 5 million mark would be tough. The question for me is, was it set at just those levels or was there a sliding scale for in between those two points. If it were a sliding scale, I could see 2.5 or 3 million subcriptions being fairly easy to reach and would be reasonably well above the 32 million a team mark. Interesting. I just googled and saw that in 2021, the Pac 12 Network had 14.8 million subscribers. Yes, we would take a hit to those numbers losing USC and UCLA, but not by 10 million. It looks like we would have had one of the more lucrative media deals in the NCAA. I guess Oregon and Washington are too analog. They need to get with the times. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 7, 2023 13:52:00 GMT -8
I'd think the 1.7 would have been easy to reach, fast. The 5 million mark would be tough. The question for me is, was it set at just those levels or was there a sliding scale for in between those two points. If it were a sliding scale, I could see 2.5 or 3 million subcriptions being fairly easy to reach and would be reasonably well above the 32 million a team mark. Interesting. I just googled and saw that in 2021, the Pac 12 Network had 14.8 million subscribers. Yes, we would take a hit to those numbers losing USC and UCLA, but not by 10 million. It looks like we would have had one of the more lucrative media deals in the NCAA. I guess Oregon and Washington are too analog. They need to get with the times. Apples to Oranges. The Pac 12 network had that many subscribers because it was included in cable/satellite packages. There were millions of people that never watched the channel. This would have been a special subscription only package. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 13:57:23 GMT -8
Interesting. I just googled and saw that in 2021, the Pac 12 Network had 14.8 million subscribers. Yes, we would take a hit to those numbers losing USC and UCLA, but not by 10 million. It looks like we would have had one of the more lucrative media deals in the NCAA. I guess Oregon and Washington are too analog. They need to get with the times. Apples to Oranges. The Pac 12 network had that many subscribers because it was included in cable/satellite packages. There were millions of people that never watched the channel. This would have been a special subscription only package. Interesting. Your experience with Pac 12 Network and cable/satellite packages is exactly opposite to mine. It was an added cost on most of them that I had before I abandoned them all. |
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Post by obf on Aug 7, 2023 13:58:47 GMT -8
I would have subscribed...  |
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Post by korculabeav on Aug 7, 2023 16:19:57 GMT -8
The number of current subscribers yet alone future projections were way off by Apple and the conference. The media deal was bad from the word go. Maybe in 5 years a non-linear / streaming solution might work as cable continues to decline.
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Post by ftd on Aug 7, 2023 16:32:59 GMT -8
the subscription would need to be clarified...Like ESPN+? $10/month cancel anytime? Or an annual subscription that had cancel fees?
20/20 hindsight
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Aug 7, 2023 16:42:51 GMT -8
The number of current subscribers yet alone future projections were way off by Apple and the conference. The media deal was bad from the word go. Maybe in 5 years a non-linear / streaming solution might work as cable continues to decline. Exactly that Apple media deal presented was crap ... the uw prez had a good quote describing it : "When you have a deal that people are saying that one of the best aspects are that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot." |
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 16:49:43 GMT -8
the subscription would need to be clarified...Like ESPN+? $10/month cancel anytime? Or an annual subscription that had cancel fees? 20/20 hindsight I suspect it would have worked like the MLS. It seems to have a monthly rate and a season rate. But who knows? Unlike soccer, the conference could deliver content most of the year. Hindsight is the only chance I’ve got at seeing 20/20. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 16:53:12 GMT -8
The number of current subscribers yet alone future projections were way off by Apple and the conference. The media deal was bad from the word go. Maybe in 5 years a non-linear / streaming solution might work as cable continues to decline. Exactly that Apple media deal presented was crap ... the uw prez had a good quote describing it : "When you have a deal that people are saying that one of the best aspects are that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot." That shows the stupidity of the Huskies. I think the ACC would like a word with them. Plus after having the Pac 12 Network weighing us down for years, a short contract sounds pretty good to me. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 7, 2023 16:55:54 GMT -8
Apples to Oranges. The Pac 12 network had that many subscribers because it was included in cable/satellite packages. There were millions of people that never watched the channel. This would have been a special subscription only package. Interesting. Your experience with Pac 12 Network and cable/satellite packages is exactly opposite to mine. It was an added cost on most of them that I had before I abandoned them all. Exactly. It was on cable, but both here and in Hawaii we had to add an additional "sport" package to our service above and beyond what we already had to get it. With cable we were stuck, basically locked in for the length of the contract. With streaming, a person with a decent internet connection (probably cable or satellite) can potentially get that Pac 12 package in a few minutes time and turn it on and off any month they want, without having to pay for a bunch of fluff you aren't interested in just to get it. We saved a bunch by cutting cable TV and basically get more... no music or porn though, but I suspect those are both available if that's what someone is into. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 7, 2023 17:01:22 GMT -8
The number of current subscribers yet alone future projections were way off by Apple and the conference. The media deal was bad from the word go. Maybe in 5 years a non-linear / streaming solution might work as cable continues to decline. There are apparently more households streaming now than have cable. That's a new thing, but cable's having a hard time. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 7, 2023 19:50:44 GMT -8
The number of current subscribers yet alone future projections were way off by Apple and the conference. The media deal was bad from the word go. Maybe in 5 years a non-linear / streaming solution might work as cable continues to decline. Exactly that Apple media deal presented was crap ... the uw prez had a good quote describing it : "When you have a deal that people are saying that one of the best aspects are that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot." Sure, except that it was "known" that uw and uo wouldn't sign a long term gor. So, Apple probably viewed it as a positive, giving those teams flexibility. But of course, the uw pres can't say that because then it would be another baffling reason why they didn't take it. Instead they scoff at the idea of a deal you can get out of... |
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