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Post by rgeorge on Jul 24, 2023 17:54:37 GMT -8
The lowest budget of any Pac12 team. One of the most difficult places to recruit MBB in the country. Only Pac12 school with an NIL collective that won't give $ to new recruits. An assistant coach quits because he's so frustrated with recruiting disadvantages. St John's poaches OSU MBB best player with modest NIL money. Was there even an attempt to counter offer? No? Track record of 6 failed coaches in a row. One of the toughest jobs in college MBB. What decent coach would take that job? WBB is a completely different sport, so is baseball. Don't compare them to MBB. Lol... make stuff up much? Or just count fan opinion as fact? - no NIL $ to new recruits? Really... prove it. Or we're going on word of mouth? - one of the most difficult to recruit to? Really? Show us all the rankings in this, besides of course random opinions. - Tim left for many reasons. That's the public one that was stated. Professional courtesy sort of limits certain comments, especially if you want to stay in the profession. - not the best player. He wasn't poached. He entered the portal voluntarily, like hundreds of players from programs all levels. He was up for grabs to any program. And, there is no way to tell if any offer was made. Nor what, if any NIL $ he was getting. - failed coaches and track record means no coach would want a P5 hoops job?! Really? So the job would go unfilled if WT left? I'm betting there are hundreds of DII coaches, DI assistants, etc that would call your assessment uneducated at best. - one of the toughest jobs in college MBB? Hmmmm, really? Based on, what? You highly educated opinion? Other fans? Some media experts paid to get clicks? So, again no coach could be hired if WT departs? I'll give you a hint, quality young (an old) have huge egos and in their mind wouldn't be afraid of a job like OSU. I'm guessing WT thought the same, right? I mean the program was so crappy he didn't come to keep it that way. Oh yeah, yet no other coach would take such a job. Funny, if WT has actually done an adequate job as some suggest wouldn't it now be more attractive?! - WBB and MBB both have budgets. Both have the same NIL access. Both have the same comparative disadvantages with other D1 programs. WBB and staff seem to overcome that most of the last 9 seasons. Baseball much the same. But, MC even has it tougher as he recruits at a level that's elite enough to lose players to the draft. Keep digging. But, as most rational fans know, $$ isn't the root cause of all that ails OSU MBB. Funny how $ were never mentioned as a hindering factor in the two NCAA appearances. Yet, oh boy win, 11, 5 ,3. And, with the worst season in OSU history... long removed from those terrible coaching hires and no star injured, coming off an E8. Stupid budget! Those damn past coaches. The effing lack of money! |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 24, 2023 18:00:42 GMT -8
This is what happens when you point out the reality of OSU MBB, you get responses like this. They can never address the points offered, just veer off on some weird tangent with a creepy insult. After 6 failed coaches in a row, you'd think some people would open their eyes. Maybe it will take 7 failed coaches in a row. As mentioned earlier Portland state would love our MBB budget but then they didn't need the money to take us twice. Have you ever thought that a new coach might bring some much needed excitement and with that NIL money might increase. Wayne ain't moving the scale and those with the bucks aren't going to fork it over, |
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Post by beaverology on Jul 24, 2023 18:10:28 GMT -8
Well Jonathan Smith and Mitch Canham have moved the scale plenty and the Dam Nation refuses to pay NIL to new baseball and football recruits, so you're wrong about that one.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 24, 2023 18:16:19 GMT -8
So how does Smith do it? You mean to bring in players that fit a system you don't necessarily need a ton of money? Perhaps a coach that has a plan is at least equally if not more important.
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Post by beaverology on Jul 25, 2023 5:17:29 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to WT getting fired and watching the replacement process. It will be similar to the previous MBB hires since Jimmy. It will start off with a list of intriguing names, many who aren't interested in the job or have no intention of taking it, to an eventual shortlist that inspires nobody. Would Shantay Legans even take the OSU job? I don't think so. Eventually, somebody will get hired and then you'll hear the post-hire comments on this board: "Not the person I would have hired" to "This coach wouldn't be my first choice", etc. As if OSU has so many options. It basically comes down to finding somebody who will take the job and sacrifice their career for a money grab.
4 years later, we know how it ends.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 25, 2023 6:42:00 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to WT getting fired and watching the replacement process. It will be similar to the previous MBB hires since Jimmy. It will start off with a list of intriguing names, many who aren't interested in the job or have no intention of taking it, to an eventual shortlist that inspires nobody. Would Shantay Legans even take the OSU job? I don't think so. Eventually, somebody will get hired and then you'll hear the post-hire comments on this board: "Not the person I would have hired" to "This coach wouldn't be my first choice", etc. As if OSU has so many options. It basically comes down to finding somebody who will take the job and sacrifice their career for a money grab. 4 years later, we know how it ends. 4 years later? Its going on 10. Enough. |
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Post by beaverology on Jul 25, 2023 7:04:23 GMT -8
Eddie Payne was a good coach. When OSU hired him in 1995, Payne had just completed his fourth season at East Carolina with the Pirates going 18-11. It was the most wins by ECU in 20 years and the first time since 1970 that the Pirates had back-to-back winning seasons. Eddie took over at East Carolina in 1991 and in his second season, the Pirates won the Colonial Athletic Association tournament and went to the NCAA.
His OSU tenure was a disaster with a 6 win season and 7 win season, etc.
Bad coach?
Bad hire?
Bad recruiter?
or is the OSU MBB job the last job on the way to the coach's mortuary?
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jul 25, 2023 7:07:33 GMT -8
Eddie Payne was a good coach. When OSU hired him in 1995, Payne had just completed his fourth season at East Carolina with the Pirates going 18-11. It was the most wins by ECU in 20 years and the first time since 1970 that the Pirates had back-to-back winning seasons. Eddie took over at East Carolina in 1991 and in his second season, the Pirates won the Colonial Athletic Association tournament and went to the NCAA. His OSU tenure was a disaster with a 6 win season and 7 win season, etc. Bad coach? Bad hire? Bad recruiter? or is the OSU MBB job the last job on the way to the coach's mortuary? He had one of the best recruiting years in the last 30 years for the Beavs. He just didn't KEEP hardly any of them. |
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Post by beaverology on Jul 25, 2023 7:12:50 GMT -8
That's because he was only 1 coach removed from Ralph and OSU was still living off Ralph's and GP's largesse. There was still some shine from those years. But it was fading fast.
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Post by beaverology on Jul 25, 2023 7:17:23 GMT -8
Ritchie McKay only coached 2 years. Finished in 9th outta 10 both years, recognized his fate, and to his credit, found an exit strategy and got out before getting fired. Props to him, he realized he'd made a big mistake.
Bad coach?
Bad hire?
Bad recruiter?
or coach's mortuary?
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 25, 2023 7:29:55 GMT -8
Well oregon state had many bad consecutive years of football. There was fertig, avezzano, kragthorpe, and pettibone. Then we hired some guy named riley and fortunes changed. In your world we would have stayed with pettibone.
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Post by beaverology on Jul 25, 2023 7:33:43 GMT -8
You still can't see it.
I say it's the OSU MBB program that kills the coaches. It's a bad job that's gotten worse over the last 30+ years. It was already one of the toughest jobs in college MBB. Now with no NIL support (no money for new recruits/transfers), it's gotten even worse (if that's possible).
You say it's a bad coach.
I say 6 failed coaches in a row ain't the coach.
Up next: Jay John
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 25, 2023 7:44:59 GMT -8
Eddie Payne was a good coach. When OSU hired him in 1995, Payne had just completed his fourth season at East Carolina with the Pirates going 18-11. It was the most wins by ECU in 20 years and the first time since 1970 that the Pirates had back-to-back winning seasons. Eddie took over at East Carolina in 1991 and in his second season, the Pirates won the Colonial Athletic Association tournament and went to the NCAA. His OSU tenure was a disaster with a 6 win season and 7 win season, etc. Bad coach? Bad hire? Bad recruiter? or is the OSU MBB job the last job on the way to the coach's mortuary? He had one of the best recruiting years in the last 30 years for the Beavs. He just didn't KEEP hardly any of them. That recruiting class was not exactly based on Eddie. His assistant brought in those guys, but subsequently left and they all bailed. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 25, 2023 9:40:49 GMT -8
Well oregon state had many bad consecutive years of football. There was fertig, avezzano, kragthorpe, and pettibone. Then we hired some guy named riley and fortunes changed. In your world we would have stayed with pettibone. To be fair to Pettibone, Pettibone coached Oregon State to two of the three most successful seasons in the 26 gap between 1971 and 1998. The fanbase got tired of watching the most boring offense since the winged offenses perished and demanded more passing. Pettibone scrapped the wishbone in favor of the flexbone, an offense that he was grossly unqualified to implement and/or play-call, and he crashed and burned. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 25, 2023 12:15:41 GMT -8
You are trying to compare apples to oranges. San Diego State spent 96% of what Oregon State spent, but that is the most in the entire Mountain West Conference. Oregon State is a small fish in a large pond. San Diego State is a large fish in a small pond. You are basically arguing that a $1,000,000 ad buy in California should be more effective than a $960,000 ad buy in Vermont, which is insane. Insane! Dollars go a hell of a lot further in the Mountain West than they do in the Pac-12. You do not need nearly as much money to compete and little amounts of money make a huge difference. This is a silly argument to make. Also, the reason that basketball is different is because the teams are so much smaller. One or two players do not usually by themselves make a team in football. But they can in basketball. We all remember those all-stars that played with Jordan and Pippen, like that short white guy, the really tall guy, that guy from another country, the guy with the silly hair, or that guy that shot funny. All-stars all! Moreover, the pool is so much smaller, because the teams are smaller. Every elite athlete is that much more important to sign and there are fewer guys that slip through all of the cracks past almost every single Power Five team to Oregon State. It is very difficult to find enough of those guys to field a team that is competitive more than two or three times every five years. Finally, just as a general rule, you should always answer your own rhetorical questions. You answered with your typical "apples to oranges" BS. The guy who, by far, cherry picks the most data and info to try to justify his points. Lol Ads? Really? 🤣🤣 That's your chosen analogy? Oh my! The Pac12 comparison would matter if OSU only competed with Pac12 schools. But, as shown schools with nearly half the budgets are more successful. The excuses will continue, but $ aren't the main issue at hand. |
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